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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 6:06 am 
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The European leg of the tour is over.
I came in to see the show without any expectations, and came out enchanted !

Anyway... Ahmet told me after the show that although the tour is over, they will come back.
Mike Keneally said they will probably adjust a few things here and there (ie. better placement of the hologram on the stage) and perhaps some modifications in the scenery, and they will come back for more !

All in all, it's been quite a successful experience and the critics were good.

I personnaly feel blessed to have seen Ray White, Bobby Martin and all the guys performing Frank's songs (like City of tiny lights, Andy, Zomby woof.... for instance) ! I never thought it would happen to me ever. (And since I saw Terry Bozzio performing the Black Page, I'm so cute, and Punky's whips during one of Dweezil's show, I consider myself very lucky :) ).


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BUT..if you cant come to australia you can go fuck yourselves...from up over

Thanks for the input, dipshit! Now go back into your metal rat hole. :roll:


Awww ,just give the guy a break! He wants to see the show too.


I'd bet these are just test shows,....and if it goes well more will come , metal rat.

I think I may have misinterpreted Metal Rat’s take on these shows. I thought he was dissing the shows and the whole concept. If that’s the case I apologize but I’m still not sure what he was trying to say.


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Houston, we have a solution: why hologram tours are the obvious next step for the music industry

Musicians have proven time and time again that there's money to be made in the afterlife. Following the news that Whitney Houston's hologram is going on tour, Fiona Sturges weighs in on the debate in our latest arts column

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Whitney Houston’s estate has greenlit a series of concerts featuring the singer as a 3D hologram ( Rex )

In the opening episode of the Russell T Davies drama Years and Years, set five years in the future, a teenage girl haltingly comes out to her family as trans. Her parents, who pride themselves on their progressive credentials, are fully on board until she explains that by trans she means “transhuman”, meaning she wishes to upload her brain into the cloud and ditch her body, thus allowing her to live forever. “There’s no life or death. There’s only data. I will be data,” she tells them, at which point she is sent to her room with no wi-fi.

For Davies, transhumanism is a scary prospect – the dark side of technological progress and where humankind is headed. But pop music has been doing a version of this for a while. The music industry was catastrophically slow to adapt to technological advances in the early 2000s, burying its head in the sand over online file-sharing, but it has been quicker off the mark in using technology to create everlasting life.

This week, Whitney Houston’s estate gave the green light to a succession of new money-making wheezes featuring the late singer, including a series of concerts featuring Houston as a 3D hologram, with recordings of her vocals supported by a live band. Here Houston will follow in the footsteps of Frank Zappa, who recently completed his digital tour despite having died 26 years ago; a holographic Roy Orbison, who played to packed houses last year; and the late soprano Maria Callas, whose hologram tour last year included songs from Verdi’s opera Macbeth, which included the words: “The dead don’t rise again from the grave.” Of course, the great trailblazer in the holographic firmament is the late rapper Tupac Shakur, who appeared in digital form at the Coachella festival in 2012, completely with spooky spoken impersonations (“what the f**k’s up, Coachella?”).

Death can be an excellent career move, as illustrated by catalogue departments dedicated to pumping out the reissued and remastered albums of dead stars. And who can get enough of the films and documentaries cataloguing the troubled years of artists who have died before their time? The holographic show takes this life-after-death concept to a new level, however. Creepy? Maybe a little.

When we are accustomed to live performances featuring flesh-and-blood icons, it’s understandable that some may feel squeamish about resurrecting the dead. There was uproar, certainly, when it was announced last year that a digital Amy Winehouse was to head out on tour – later, the tour was postponed due to “unique challenges and sensitivities”. It’s also reasonable to wonder what the icons in question would have made of being exhumed this way, although, given that a thirst for idolatry and creative immortality is a basic requirement for a life in pop, one senses that the objections would be few and far between.

Among the major complaints about holographic tours seems to be that it’s the artists’ families who stand to benefit. “In it for the money” has long been a stick used to beat those working in the creative industries, but, as any artist, writer or actor will tell you, an entrepreneurial spirit is crucial to survival. Even dead stars need to maintain their portfolio. Meanwhile, for audiences willing to cough up for the experience, it’s a win-win situation. In the age of “heritage” tours, these shows are clearly fulfilling a desire – and it certainly beats going to see a tribute act. To tell fans they are wrong to buy tickets, and they are denigrating the artist through their desire to engage with them beyond the grave, would seem the height of condescension. In any case, in 25 years of gig-going, I’ve seen enough robotic performances to know that there can be just as much life (and in several cases considerably more) in the pixelated versions.

Like it or not, it’s ultimately the shape of things to come. Tastes evolve; technology marches on; augmented reality informs our present and our future. Rock music in particular has a history of banging on about authenticity – the notion of “real” people playing “real” instruments dates back to the days of angry white men trying to kill disco on baseball fields. Meanwhile, live music has been peddling the same old format for decades. Creating new possibilities and greater choice using technology is something to be celebrated.

In the future, we might be able to pay for holograms of our beloved artists, whether living or dead, to perform in our living rooms (Dear the music industry: don’t forget this was my idea). Or perhaps we’ll be able send avatars to attend gigs while our bodies stay at home. Personally, I am looking forward to a time when a holographic me writes this column while the physical me naps peacefully on the sofa. It can’t be far off now.

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^^^The idea about the hologram performing in your living room was Frank’s as he discussed in The Real Frank Zappa Book thirty years ago. :idea:


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The Whitney Houston of the 3D Hologram Tour
will be neither 3D nor a hologram


A look at the latest dead-singer hologram tour technology.

By Jane C. Hu (1st Base)

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If you’re a Whitney Houston fan, I have either good news or bad news for you: She’s going on tour! This week, entertainment company Base Hologram and Houston’s estate announced “An Evening With Whitney: The Whitney Houston Hologram Tour.”

Houston joins the ranks of several other megastars performing posthumously. Base also offers a Maria Callas tour and one with Roy Orbison and Buddy Holly, and it’s been working on an Amy Winehouse performance. Base’s competitors at Eyellusion are putting on a Frank Zappa tour this year. Both companies have been founded in the past few years—Eyellusion in 2015, Base in 2017—to usher in a new era of performance that “combines holographic realism with live entertainment,” creating “a real-life 3D production,” according to Base’s site. And several news outlets discussing the announcement have adopted similar language, calling the Houston rendering a “3D hologram.” While some fans have taken to social media to protest their celebrity’s likeness being used in such a way, I have a more pedantic bone to pick: The Whitney you’ll see on tour will be neither 3D nor a hologram.

Take what’s perhaps the best-known “3D hologram” performance: Tupac at Coachella 2012. That was actually a projection onto angled sheets of plastic, using an illusion called Pepper’s ghost, named after the scientist who popularized the method. “It’s like when you’re window-shopping and you see yourself in the store glass; it’s the same effect,” says Daniel Smalley, an associate professor of electrical engineering at Brigham Young University. That trick of light and reflection has been in use since the 1500s, says Smalley, and became especially popular among Victorian-era magicians and theater productions—so, not exactly cutting-edge technology. Essentially, what you’re seeing is a projected 2D image; the 3D illusion would quickly fall apart if you saw it up close or changed your viewing angle. Eyellusion’s Zappa tour uses this same basic method as well.

That Tupac performance planted the seed for Base Holograms, according to co-founder Marty Tudor. “I thought, this is really cool—why do just a one-off? Why not a whole evening?” But unlike Tupac’s performance, Houston’s image won’t rely on Pepper’s ghost. “We’re way past Pepper’s ghost,” says Tudor, though he didn’t provide other details about their proprietary technology. He did say, however, that the image is not a reflection and is a direct projection using a cutting edge, “military-grade” Epson laser projector. Whatever this projection is, Tudor confirms, it’s not 3D, though it may appear that way to the audience. “It’s what the projector does that makes it appear 3D,” he says.

When I asked Benjamin Klein, an associate professor at the Georgia Institute of Technology School of Electrical and Computer Engineering, whether he had any guesses about what methods Tudor’s team could be using instead of Pepper’s ghost, he was honest: “I think he’s almost certainly bullshitting you, but I could be wrong,” Klein says. “Of course, a magician never reveals his secrets, and this is, at the bottom, a magic trick.”

Smalley was similarly skeptical. “If they’re using any kind of projector, laser or otherwise, then the technology will undoubtedly be a 2D projection like Pepper’s ghost,” he says. Perhaps the proprietary bit is a special scrim, or projecting onto heated air or water vapor, Smalley says, “but all of these cases are just variations on the same theme.”

Whether you’re using Pepper’s ghost or something else, developing the celebrity image that gets projected is a computational feat. “The creation of the video projected probably involved a lot of digital manipulation,” says Klein. Tudor says that it takes between nine months to a year to develop a Base show, from script to tour, and that the team uses CGI to create a hologram “the same way you create people for the movies.” Creating Coachella Tupac, according to Wired, required artists to work “round the clock for two months in a room plastered with pictures of the rapper,” and he was only onstage a few minutes. The renderings and choreography for a full show would be an even heavier lift.

These touring celebrity renderings are also not true holograms. That’s because there’s a disconnect between what scientists call holograms and how the word hologram is used in pop culture. “What people think of when they hear hologram is Princess Leia from Star Wars—you project it and you see it from every direction,” says Smalley. But real holograms can’t be seen from a 360-degree view the way Leia can. They are, by definition, images on flat surfaces that look 3D by interfering with light beams that reflect off of that stable surface—one common example is the security sticker found on many credit cards. It’s much more difficult to create a real, moving hologram that looks 3D, though scientists are working on making those.

If you’re hoping for a bona fide Princess Leia situation, what you want is a free-space volumetric display. Smalley and his team made a teeny-tiny version of Princess Leia last year by using a laser beam to trap and rapidly heat one tiny particle of paper, allowing the scientists to manipulate its movements. Then, scientists illuminated that particle with rapid red, green, and blue light to create the illusion that you’re drawing an image—“like a sparkler on the Fourth of July,” says Smalley. There’s only so much you can draw with just on particle, so the images they’ve created are only a couple centimeters tall, and Smalley estimates researchers would need at least another 6,000 hours to scale up their methods to an 8-inch prototype, and probably at least another 6,000 hours for something human-size, “if that’s even possible,” he says.

Beyond posthumous tours, those volumetric displays could have other applications. Smalley says that air traffic controllers could keep tabs on 3D models of planes’ paths to prevent accidents, surgeons could perform image-guided surgeries with 3D renderings, or video conferencing could become much more realistic. And, of course, the adult industry is working on using volumetric images for more lifelike porn.

In the meantime, these projections will do just fine for a celebrity tour. “A hologram is overkill for what you need here, and if it looks good to you, then don’t worry too much about whether it’s 3D or not, ” says Klein. After all, you can have a 3D experience without the rendering of Whitney Houston you’re watching necessarily being 3D. Base shows include live musicians, singers, and dancers—the whole shebang. And Tudor emphasizes how real the projection appears, saying even he is fooled by it after seeing it hundreds of times. “Your brain cannot tell the difference,” he says.

Smalley agrees that whether the image is actually 3D or “Leia-like” seems moot for these performances. “There’s no reason to spend extra time, money, and engineering that no one will benefit from,” he says. “Though if you wanted to shake Whitney Houston’s hand, you gotta have it.” But even then, it would just be a trick of light; she might look convincing up close, but your hand would just go through hers.

Future Tense is a partnership of Slate, New America, and Arizona State University that examines emerging technologies, public policy, and society.


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If they don't take time (and money) to do a re-imagining of his Crossfire appearances updated for the Trump era to be played during intermissions, this is indeed an epic fail.

Frank said many things and for the greatest part he was correct....and for that short period of time ,frank was concerned about how the republican party was taking monies from tele evangelics to supprot the party in elections....and he was right that the theology had taken on political proportions and action....but in hindsight he was wrong ...as the globalist agenda has rose and directly threatens that document that frank cared about ...the constitution.....
He used to say republicans are pure unbridled evil and the democrats wish they were the republicans...well the democrats are now the republicans...and we have had continous control from one cabal since george herberts time as leader...he passed his batton to clinton and they have systematically broken the back of the constitution...US is one financial crisis from being controlled by UN/IMF and world bank..and socialism or some fascist govt in the communist vien is on offer....and the left is ushering in NWO...and they dont know that the same people who dictate capitalism are riding that mass of them up to a digital prison.I think franks personel dislike of organised religions shaded some bias in his accessment.
People have small imaginations and think a hologram like tupac will stand on stage while the band plays....this should be greater then dweziles tour de force sentimental...no...they wont die a death by nostalgia


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BUT..if you cant come to australia you can go fuck yourselves...from up over

Thanks for the input, dipshit! Now go back into your metal rat hole. :roll:

for one puppet...who is speaking to you...Frank always did his best to come to this country and considered seriously moving here...Bar the unions in australia he would have lived out his life here..We were not prudish and to make that point ..filmore east was franks highest selling album in Australia..we got left off return to forevers world tour....you cant claim world tour when you just service the northern hemisphere...look ive seen dweezil twice here....and would like to see this concept..and whats a metal rat hole...there is metal playing and i'm changing channels..its gone...rubbish..did you get to see this production?and if yes then thats what they are saying to the southern hemishere,,,,go crawl up your hole..be cause of the size of it we will call it sparse...up your sparsehole.


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BUT..if you cant come to australia you can go fuck yourselves...from up over

Thanks for the input, dipshit! Now go back into your metal rat hole. :roll:

i'll tell you something champion,,,every piece of zappas work i've paid for...some albums like overnight sensation ive bought 5 times across the years...no downloading here...After he died i purchased the whole catalogue of his music...can you say you did not download illegally his music..i understood the trust needs funds to maintain.... and knew frank hated bootleggers...from the sixties till now we have been starved of franks music in australia...you could not find his work in record shops in this country...you had to source his albums from import shops...or import them by order...We have been starved constantly for years and i've paid for right to have a opinion...i said most dont understand the concept...and hold positions based on their reading of the trust wranglings...thats between the brothers...but i know one thing...Frank would hate to see freeze dried versions of his music being carted around and most certainly would not like to see nostalgic sentimental drivel...these songs are from the time they documented...some are timeless.....but some people have not received these pieces of art because time and distance was a tyrant....i now know where you come from ...go fuck yourselves is a declaration of war...but here its a phrase that most friends would cheerfully direct at mates...cunt is a term of endearment here....cheers mate...mine was a challenge to the producers to fund the tour down here.


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^^Thanks for the clarification. Like I said, I think I misinterpreted your original post. My apology stands and I hope you have the opportunity to see the show.

Btw, in America “dipshit” means “my wise, good, and handsome friend”. :)


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^^Thanks for the clarification. Like I said, I think I misinterpreted your original post. My apology stands and I hope you have the opportunity to see the show.

Btw, in America “dipshit” means “my wise, good, and handsome friend”. :)


Hopefully this will mend fences and things will be okay now, you dipshit cunt.


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^^Thanks for the clarification. Like I said, I think I misinterpreted your original post. My apology stands and I hope you have the opportunity to see the show.

Btw, in America “dipshit” means “my wise, good, and handsome friend”. :)


Hopefully this will mend fences and things will be okay now, you dipshit cunt.

How dare you imply he's a politician! :shock:

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VW's new audio system is controlled by hologram
David Linklater 07:07, Jun 04 2019

Small car meets Star Wars? A Volkswagen Golf GTI concept car called Aurora features working hologram controls for its audio system.

The holographic module, by VW Group Components, has been shown for the first time at the annual GTI Meeting at Lake Worth in Germany.

VW claims the technology is a world first.

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Hologram audio controls are fitted in the boot of the GTI Aurora concept car.

"With this hologram technology, we have succeeded in unifying the real and virtual worlds," says Thomas Schmall, chairman of the Board of Management of Volkswagen Group Components.

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Unlike three-dimensional experiences in the cinema, you do not need 3D glasses or any special equipment.

"It is like a mirage that you can clearly see and which we use to deliver a whole new user experience," says Schmall.

"The hologram floats freely in the air, above the hardware that is integrated into a compact module in the luggage compartment."

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System recognises users intentions with floating images and implements them.

Mark Möller, head of development at VW Group Components, provides a technical insight: "We create a floating image using software algorithms and visual technology components.

"The system automatically recognises the user's operating requirements and implements them - making it intuitive and logical to operate."

Möller says that the details of the technology are a trade secret based on a proprietary, patented technology.

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System uses proprietary technology - but components are already available, says VW.

"[But] the holographic system can be realised using technology modules that are already available today; it is no longer just in the realm of science fiction."

That's the good news. The bad news is that Moller says it will still be "some time" before the technology can be used in a production car.

The hologram audio system is the star attraction of the Aurora show car, which was unveiled at the GTI Meeting alongside another concept called Estate FighterR.

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We already see in 3D - so hologram controls are intuitive.

Other aspects of the GTI Aurora were created by by an apprentice team at VW's head office in Wolfsburg.

Additional displays in the centre console show the driver engine and vehicle data, which is particularly useful on racetracks.

The front passenger can follow everything at the same time on a tablet device, which they can also use to control the 3500-watt sound system (the hologram controls are in the boot).

The apprentices first created the exterior and interior designs on the computer, with the details of the two-seater's sound and multimedia tailgate package posing particular challenges.

The apprentices therefore initially designed the rear side cladding and the mounts for the speakers and subwoofer on CAD computers.

The GTI Aurora is powered by a 2.0-litre engine with an output of 279kW and a seven-speed direct shift gearbox.

The concept is painted in Nardo Gray and Deep Black Pearl Effect, as well as a one-off accent colour called Mint Green.

The body-kit with rear diffuser and all the decorative elements were painted by hand.


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The band, minus Ed Mann and the Hologram, is playing five gigs in LA next month:
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The band, minus Ed Mann and the Hologram, is playing five gigs in LA next month:
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I'm ready to stand for four hours!

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I'm ready to stand for four hours!

And that's just the lineup at the restrooms!

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coevad wrote:
I'm ready to stand for four hours!

And that's just the lineup at the restrooms!


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Headbanger man is not impressed.

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Another show! San Diego.

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Another show! San Diego.

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They need to come to Sac or SF at least... :idea:


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Guests....

Steve Vai has no calendar dates during the SoCal Zappa shows.

Vinnie will be in Oregon(17th) on the Herbie Hancock tour.

Ed Mann's fb page says he a "Former Lobbyist at The Bizarre World of Frank Zappa". Was he unhappy?

Don & Bunk's site says
Don Preston and Bunk Gardner
THEE MOTHERS OF INVENTION
NOT A HOLOGRAM TOUR
- they played Zappanale a few weeks ago.

who else.....

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coevad wrote:
Guests....

Steve Vai has no calendar dates during the SoCal Zappa shows.

Vinnie will be in Oregon(17th) on the Herbie Hancock tour.

Ed Mann's fb page says he a "Former Lobbyist at The Bizarre World of Frank Zappa". Was he unhappy?

Don & Bunk's site says
Don Preston and Bunk Gardner
THEE MOTHERS OF INVENTION
NOT A HOLOGRAM TOUR
- they played Zappanale a few weeks ago.

who else.....

Dweezil, Ike Willis, Tommy Mars, Napoleon, Arthur Barrow, Chad, Punky Meadows, Michael Kenyon?


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‘Zappa at Dizzy’s’ a frankly deep dive for Mike Keneally

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Baked Potato report:

I did not attend.

Ralph Humphrey sat in for Big Swifty on Thursday night. Jamie Kime was the other guest.

Saw some photos by Gary T.




I'm thinking about bringing stuff to get signed tonight.

edit - fuuuuuuuck! Just found out there's three opening acts tonight. They better play some Zappa tunes.

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