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50th Anniversary mono WOIIFTM Picture Disc and TR Something / Anything on colored vinyl w/ 45

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I was disappointed to learn that picture discs actually have inferior sound quality...

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you don't buy it to LISTEN to it.

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that's what happens when you don't read you loose your link to higher thinking

Yes, Picture Discs have a marginally worse sound than black vinyl. Most agree that it is most noticeable during the pauses between songs. So, if those pauses are a big priority for ya, well, there ya go.
But, I have no concern with that. I can enjoy cassettes and other lossy formats. I rarely have the luxury of dedicating time to listening to flawless recordings under pristine conditions. It is more of a question of which lossy format is most useful for the environment at hand. For the environment of hanging out at a party, a picture disc is perfect, while an "audiophile" version is not much different to the party-goers than a picture disc.
I suppose for a person who listens to vinyl through headphones, this is a bit more of a concern, but that isn't me either. I listen to headphones when I record audio, when I travel and sometimes at work; none of those setups include vinyl. Other than that it is all speakers all the time. So, if the noise-floor is a bit higher for one vinyl over another, it is not a big deal as long as the master itself is decent. That level of noise is fine in a windy car, around a splashing kitchen sink or in a chatty office. Sure, it could be distracting in the control room of a pro studio, but few have access to those environments anyway.
Still, some people read that the picture disc headroom is not equivalent to black vinyl and that's all they need to know. Oh, well.

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Thanks for the thoughtful elucidation, as usual.

Ain't technology great?!

When it works.

When it works, it's often much worse...

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As I understand it, coloured and clear vinyl tends to be softer and thus deteriorates faster than black vinyl (speaking generally). So the current trend of pumping out coloured vinyl for re-issues and RSD - apart from usually being Limited Edition anyway - is further 'manufactured scarcity'.

In the case of picture discs, clear vinyl is sandwiching a printed image. I've owned a picture disc that was so badly pressed that, brand new, the stylus was cutting through the groove to the cardboard/paper beneath - and so just played a noisy hiss. (It was the 20th Anniversary picture disc of The Beatles' 'Lady Madonna', from the late 80s. I was too poor then to keep it; took it back to the shop and exchanged it, paying a hefty difference, for a live 7" bootleg of Bowie Glass Spider press conference live performances with his touring band. The disc was called 'Press to Play'. I still have that.)

Saves you the trouble of listening with your own ears and drawing your own conclusions. I can see how someone like you would be appreciative. It's a bit like copying and pasting.

In my car, with all the rumble of the road, I find lossless files much more rewarding. Same goes for parties. Or while having sex. Or eating dinner. Or vacuuming...

Maybe some folks can't afford hard drive space. Or they can't move on from itunes.

Of course, these colored vinyl releases are not really about the music. They're for fondling. Or putting on display.

Fetishing

Precisely. And during those times of more money than sense, I totally give in to the urge. Not everyone's fandom plays out the same way. I love the music, but I also love the artifacts - they take me back to my happy place!

Last I heard its a free country...for now...

Right on, Dom. I don’t buy vinyl nowadays but I love my memorabilia and other celebrations of the music I love.

I have never heard of this colored vinyl is "softer" thing. If it is good quality vinyl , colored or not it will be a good pressing. Some of the cheaper pressing plants will use old vinyl ,re-used from old pressings for multi-color vinyl records....and this can cause crackle as one color changes to another on the LP's surface due to impurities in the stock vinyl. But just listen to the 2017 RSD Lumpy Primordial and you can hear that a color record can sound great. The picture discs do sound crappy , though. It's because they are two slabs of clear vinyl pressed onto a sheet of paper(the picture part) ….and this causes all kinds of horrible noise.

There are all kinds of myths about colored vinyl. One thing to bear in mind is that black vinyl is colored vinyl--it just uses carbon black instead of some other pigment to get its color.

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Yeah....I know "black" is a color. Ha! I was simplifiying ....because I'm "simple" that way. But , really, good vinyl makes good records....a cheap pressing will ruin any disc.

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https://www.discogs.com/group/thread/600594#5845763


https://www.discogs.com/group/thread/600594#5845764


https://www.discogs.com/group/thread/600594#5845765


https://www.discogs.com/group/thread/600594#5845766

Should be a good RSD. My FZ and TR are already at the shop, waiting for Friday.

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I just heard that there will be 4 versions of the WOIIFTM picture disc... but you don't get to know which one you get until you open it! Completists Despair!

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Ok, thats one.... same as i got

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Here's #2...the only thing I picked up today...really wanted the Duke Ellington but got skunked.

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I also picked up a copy. My 2016 reissue got a scratch due to a drunken night of sloppy spinning. This was a perfect replacement disc. The picture disc sounds incredible. It sounds better then my 2016 reissue in my opinion. Thank you ZFT.