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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:00 pm 
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Firstly I'm confused about how personal integrity conflicts with us all being in it together. How you behave towards other human beings is a measure of your personal integrity. When a plane is crashing you affix the oxygen mask to yourself and then you try and help others. Putting yourself first does not preclude having beneficial and honest relationships with others. What does selfless mean anyway - literally? That you're nobody. You can't really help anyone without having some kind of capacity to do so and you won't develop that capacity fully without putting yourself first. Try to imagine a world full of egoless selfless people - what would be the point? Life would be no more interesting than it is for lemmings for example. You have to be someone first before you can participate meaningfully.

Example: You buy something and it turns out to be faulty and the person who sold it to you must have known it was faulty. You rant and rave about what a scumbag the guy was. Do you then say to yourself, well that's the way it is, I'll put it back on the market until someone else buys it and recoup your loss or do you accept you were ripped off, accept the loss and move on (whether or not the scumbag can be brought to account)? If it's the former, you're just another scumbag, join the queue and please shut up, your ranting and raving is hollow. The latter is a measure of personal integrity and it does have to be fought for in a world culture dominated by a dog eat dog philosophy. One of the most detestable pieces of US culture is the phrase "Theres a sucker born every minute".

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When a plane is crashing you affix the oxygen mask to yourself and then you try and help others.


What if you're sitting beside someone, and only one mask drops? Do you put that mask on yourself, or do you give it to the other person?

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We could share it.

To be honest, in a life or death situation, I would probably try to save myself. But we're not talking about life or death situations are we? We're talking about bloated, unjustified greed. The super rich live beyond any meaningful definition of well and could continue to live very well if they donated the majority of "their" wealth for the greater good.

I was watching a documentary about the super rich and the guy making it went to a polo match, where the participants were turning up with stables of million dollar plus horses. They do so because it's a punishing sport for the horses and so they rotate several during the course of the match. One of the people he interviewed about how she felt having so much wealth, said that people didn't understand how hard they, the super rich, worked for it. In other words, whether or not she really believes it privately, she's promoting the view that she deserves every penny.

So, one human being, how hard is it possible to work in any given 24 hours? And what does hard even mean? Is a busy life of 12 hour working days attending meetings and making decisions so much harder than spending 8 hours a day pick axing rocks and dirt? They get to make squillions of dollars mostly doing what they like, whereas the pickaxer doesn't have a lot of choice and makes a modest living. And there are plenty of people having to work two jobs in the current US labour market and still barely making a living.

And as if that's not bad enough. The super rich support a system with high levels of unemployment in order to keep the masses lean and mean.

Unemployment is a crime against humanity.

Production is a social process that fundamentally requires labour, without which it can't happen. Yes, it also requires purpose and direction and has allowed those taking charge of the purpose to exploit that process way beyond an obscene level. Unless you have a twisted measure of worth, no-one is worth a billion dollars, let alone any more than that.

People get into absurd chicken and egg arguments about this, but money is the chicken and labour is the egg and as anyone who's done Biology 101 knows the egg came first, just as anyone with any common sense knows that human labour came before money. I have no sympathy for any human being that determines their individual self worth as many, many times that of any human being willing to do an honest day's work. Even if you want to analyse labour into grades of simple through all kinds of technical. That polo woman is not worth more than the most qualified human being on the planet based purely on any kind of skill rather than privately hoarded wealth, let alone the guy hacking away with his pick axe, and she's a reflection of the sick, upside down culture that dominates the world at present.

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Michael Gove has been eliminated
wishful thinking...
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/ne ... ship-race/

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Squillions, indeed.


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Michael Gove has been eliminated
wishful thinking...
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/ne ... ship-race/


Well, that's almost a relief. Gove was really the worst of three pretty depressing candidates.

"Private Eye" had him (rightly) on the "Naughty Chair" every two weeks...
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Two remaining candidates for PMs job are female. Fine.
Both ex-bankers. Both have unpleasant aspects to their campaigns (pro fox hunting, god botherers).
I think they'll be easy targets for Corbyn.
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Ian Hislop hits the nail on the head...
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There are insects and dead people around more qualified to do that job.

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A worthwhile that will predictably go over the heads of a couple of individuals here...


History tells us what may happen next with Brexit & Trump

https://medium.com/@theonlytoby/history ... .syr5qz8zy

[note: this essay contains a lot of links out, which are underlined. Consider them further reading or me backing up my opinions]

It seems we’re entering another of those stupid seasons humans impose on themselves at fairly regular intervals. I am sketching out here opinions based on information, they may prove right, or may prove wrong, and they’re intended just to challenge and be part of a wider dialogue.

My background is archaeology, so also history and anthropology. It leads me to look at big historical patterns. My theory is that most peoples’ perspective of history is limited to the experience communicated by their parents and grandparents, so 50–100 years. To go beyond that you have to read, study, and learn to untangle the propaganda that is inevitable in all telling of history. In a nutshell, at university I would fail a paper if I didn’t compare at least two, if not three opposing views on a topic. Taking one telling of events as gospel doesn’t wash in the comparative analytical method of research that forms the core of British academia. (I can’t speak for other systems, but they’re definitely not all alike in this way).

So zooming out, we humans have a habit of going into phases of mass destruction, generally self imposed to some extent or another. This handy list shows all the wars over time. Wars are actually the norm for humans, but every now and then something big comes along. I am interested in the Black Death, which devastated Europe. The opening of Boccaccio’s Decameron describes Florence in the grips of the Plague. It is as beyond imagination as the Somme, Hiroshima, or the Holocaust. I mean, you quite literally can’t put yourself there and imagine what it was like. For those in the midst of the Plague it must have felt like the end of the world.

But a defining feature of humans is their resilience. To us now it seems obvious that we survived the Plague, but to people at the time it must have seemed incredible that their society continued afterwards. Indeed, many takes on the effects of the Black Death are that it had a positive impact in the long term. Well summed up here: “By targeting frail people of all ages, and killing them by the hundreds of thousands within an extremely short period of time, the Black Death might have represented a strong force of natural selection and removed the weakest individuals on a very broad scale within Europe,“ …In addition, the Black Death significantly changed the social structure of some European regions. Tragic depopulation created the shortage of working people. This shortage caused wages to rise. Products prices fell too. Consequently, standards of living increased. For instance, people started to consume more food of higher quality.”

But for the people living through it, as with the World Wars, Soviet Famines, Holocaust, it must have felt inconceivable that humans could rise up from it. The collapse of the Roman Empire, Black Death, Spanish Inquisition, Thirty Years War, War of the Roses, English Civil War… it’s a long list. Events of massive destruction from which humanity recovered and move on, often in better shape.

At a local level in time people think things are fine, then things rapidly spiral out of control until they become unstoppable, and we wreak massive destruction on ourselves. For the people living in the midst of this it is hard to see happening and hard to understand. To historians later it all makes sense and we see clearly how one thing led to another. During the Centenary of the Battle of the Somme I was struck that it was a direct outcome of the assassination of an Austrian Arch Duke in Bosnia. I very much doubt anyone at the time thought the killing of a minor European royal would lead to the death of 17 million people.

My point is that this is a cycle. It happens again and again, but as most people only have a 50–100 year historical perspective they don’t see that it’s happening again. As the events that led to the First World War unfolded, there were a few brilliant minds who started to warn that something big was wrong, that the web of treaties across Europe could lead to a war, but they were dismissed as hysterical, mad, or fools, as is always the way, and as people who worry about Putin, Brexit, and Trump are dismissed now.

Then after the War to end all Wars, we went and had another one. Again, for a historian it was quite predictable. Lead people to feel they have lost control of their country and destiny, people look for scapegoats, a charismatic leader captures the popular mood, and singles out that scapegoat. He talks in rhetoric that has no detail, and drums up anger and hatred. Soon the masses start to move as one, without any logic driving their actions, and the whole becomes unstoppable.

That was Hitler, but it was also Mussolini, Stalin, Putin, Mugabe, and so many more. Mugabe is a very good case in point. He whipped up national anger and hatred towards the land owning white minority (who happened to know how to run farms), and seized their land to redistribute to the people, in a great populist move which in the end unravelled the economy and farming industry and left the people in possession of land, but starving. See also the famines created by the Soviet Union, and the one caused by the Chinese Communists last century in which 20–40 million people died. It seems inconceivable that people could create a situation in which tens of millions of people die without reason, but we do it again and again.

But at the time people don’t realise they’re embarking on a route that will lead to a destruction period. They think they’re right, they’re cheered on by jeering angry mobs, their critics are mocked. This cycle, the one we saw for example from the Treaty of Versaille, to the rise of Hitler, to the Second World War, appears to be happening again. But as with before, most people cannot see it because:

1. They are only looking at the present, not the past or future
2. They are only looking immediately around them, not at how events connect globally
3. Most people don’t read, think, challenge, or hear opposing views

Trump is doing this in America. Those of us with some oversight from history can see it happening.
Read this brilliant, long essay in the New York magazine to understand how Plato described all this, and it is happening just as he predicted. Trump says he will Make America Great Again, when in fact America is currently great, according to pretty well any statistics. He is using passion, anger, and rhetoric in the same way all his predecessors did — a charismatic narcissist who feeds on the crowd to become ever stronger, creating a cult around himself. You can blame society, politicians, the media, for America getting to the point that it’s ready for Trump, but the bigger historical picture is that history generally plays out the same way each time someone like him becomes the boss.

On a wider stage, zoom out some more, Russia is a dictatorship with a charismatic leader using fear and passion to establish a cult around himself. Turkey is now there too. Hungary, Poland, Slovakia are heading that way, and across Europe more Trumps and Putins are waiting in the wings, in fact funded by Putin, waiting for the popular tide to turn their way.

We should be asking ourselves what our Archduke Ferdinand moment will be. How will an apparently small event trigger another period of massive destruction. We see Brexit, Trump, Putin in isolation. The world does not work that way — all things are connected and affecting each other. I have pro-Brexit friends who say ‘oh, you’re going to blame that on Brexit too??’ But they don’t realise that actually, yes, historians will trace neat lines from apparently unrelated events back to major political and social shifts like Brexit.

Brexit — a group of angry people winning a fight — easily inspires other groups of angry people to start a similar fight, empowered with the idea that they may win. That alone can trigger chain reactions. A nuclear explosion is not caused by one atom splitting, but by the impact of the first atom that splits causing multiple other atoms near it to split, and they in turn causing multiple atoms to split. The exponential increase in atoms splitting, and their combined energy is the bomb. That is how World War One started and, ironically how World War Two ended.

An example of how Brexit could lead to a nuclear war could be this:

Brexit in the UK causes Italy or France to have a similar referendum. Le Pen wins an election in France. Europe now has a fractured EU. The EU, for all its many awful faults, has prevented a war in Europe for longer than ever before. The EU is also a major force in suppressing Putin’s military ambitions. European sanctions on Russia really hit the economy, and helped temper Russia’s attacks on Ukraine (there is a reason bad guys always want a weaker European Union). Trump wins in the US. Trump becomes isolationist, which weakens NATO. He has already said he would not automatically honour NATO commitments in the face of a Russian attack on the Baltics.

With a fractured EU, and weakened NATO, Putin, facing an ongoing economic and social crisis in Russia, needs another foreign distraction around which to rally his people. He funds far right anti-EU activists in Latvia, who then create a reason for an uprising of the Russian Latvians in the East of the country (the EU border with Russia). Russia sends ‘peace keeping forces’ and ‘aid lorries’ into Latvia, as it did in Georgia, and in Ukraine. He annexes Eastern Latvia as he did Eastern Ukraine (Crimea has the same population as Latvia, by the way).

A divided Europe, with the leaders of France, Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, and others now pro-Russia, anti-EU, and funded by Putin, overrule calls for sanctions or a military response. NATO is slow to respond: Trump does not want America to be involved, and a large part of Europe is indifferent or blocking any action. Russia, seeing no real resistance to their actions, move further into Latvia, and then into Eastern Estonia and Lithuania. The Baltic States declare war on Russia and start to retaliate, as they have now been invaded so have no choice. Half of Europe sides with them, a few countries remain neutral, and a few side with Russia. Where does Turkey stand on this? How does ISIS respond to a new war in Europe? Who uses a nuclear weapon first?

This is just one Arch Duke Ferdinand scenario. The number of possible scenarios are infinite due to the massive complexity of the many moving parts. And of course many of them lead to nothing happening. But based on history we are due another period of destruction, and based on history all the indicators are that we are entering one.

It will come in ways we can’t see coming, and will spin out of control so fast people won’t be able to stop it. Historians will look back and make sense of it all and wonder how we could all have been so naïve. How could I sit in a nice café in London, writing this, without wanting to run away. How could people read it and make sarcastic and dismissive comments about how pro-Remain people should stop whining, and how we shouldn’t blame everything on Brexit. Others will read this and sneer at me for saying America is in great shape, that Trump is a possible future Hitler (and yes, Godwin’s Law. But my comparison is to another narcissistic, charismatic leader fanning flames of hatred until things spiral out of control). It’s easy to jump to conclusions that oppose pessimistic predictions based on the weight of history and learning. Trump won against the other Republicans in debates by countering their claims by calling them names and dismissing them. It’s an easy route but the wrong one.

Ignoring and mocking the experts , as people are doing around Brexit and Trump’s campaign, is no different to ignoring a doctor who tells you to stop smoking, and then finding later you’ve developed incurable cancer. A little thing leads to an unstoppable destruction that could have been prevented if you’d listened and thought a bit. But people smoke, and people die from it. That is the way of the human.

So I feel it’s all inevitable. I don’t know what it will be, but we are entering a bad phase. It will be unpleasant for those living through it, maybe even will unravel into being hellish and beyond imagination. Humans will come out the other side, recover, and move on. The human race will be fine, changed, maybe better. But for those at the sharp end — for the thousands of Turkish teachers who just got fired, for the Turkish journalists and lawyers in prison, for the Russian dissidents in gulags, for people lying wounded in French hospitals after terrorist attacks, for those yet to fall, this will be their Somme.

What can we do? Well, again, looking back, probably not much. The liberal intellectuals are always in the minority. See Clay Shirky’s Twitter Storm on this point. The people who see that open societies, being nice to other people, not being racist, not fighting wars, is a better way to live, they generally end up losing these fights. They don’t fight dirty. They are terrible at appealing to the populace. They are less violent, so end up in prisons, camps, and graves. We need to beware not to become divided (see: Labour party), we need to avoid getting lost in arguing through facts and logic, and counter the populist messages of passion and anger with our own similar messages. We need to understand and use social media. We need to harness a different fear. Fear of another World War nearly stopped World War 2, but didn’t. We need to avoid our own echo chambers. Trump and Putin supporters don’t read the Guardian, so writing there is just reassuring our friends. We need to find a way to bridge from our closed groups to other closed groups, try to cross the ever widening social divides.

(Perhaps I’m just writing this so I can be remembered by history as one of the people who saw it coming.)









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Hey Rope, there is another thing I should mention about who this is a win for. Rupert Murdoch is one of the super rich, apparently a part of an élite subgroup of the super rich that pretty much runs vast stretches of the planet. When asked why he wanted the UK to leave the European Union, paraphrasing, his reply was that he can tell the UK government what to do but he can't tell the European parliament what to do.

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A worthwhile that will predictably go over the heads of a couple of individuals here...


History tells us what may happen next with Brexit & Trump



Very well written essay SpaceBro. You're Europe/Trump/Russian scenario is quite realistic. The may(2017) election in France is being perfectly set up for a Le Pen win.

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On the day the pound fell after the PM's speech, Private Eye got it right again...
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Internet / the universe loses its shit after vegemite / marmite not being stocked in supermarkets due to BREXIT.
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Gina Miller takes on the government in the high court over pm triggering brexit, and wins. :smoke:
Receives death threats online too. :twisted:
Brexiters now bemoan parliamentary sovereignty, despite campaigning for it. :roll:
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In preparation for securing freight contact to the continent via the channel in the case of a no-deal Brexit, May's government has just given 13.8 million pounds to a British ferry operator that operates from the virtually closed port of Ramsgate, owns no actual ships and whose terms and conditions were copied and pasted from a pizza delivery service website. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theg ... ver-pizzas

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“Special place in Hell for Brexiteers” turns out to be Milton Keynes



The people who campaigned for Brexit but with no plan how to execute it will be sent to Milton Keynes when they die, according to reports this afternoon.

Following Donald Tusk’s suggestion that there is a “special place in Hell” for Brexiteers who ran the Leave campaign without having so much as a snifter of a plan, many believed the mid-tier Bond villain was speaking figuratively.

“But nope, here we are,” confirmed Simon Williams, a prominent Leave campaigner who materialised in the Buckinghamshire town shortly after being hit by a double-decker bus.

“It really is rubbish here. You can tell it was built by committee. It’s nothing but roundabouts and mid-tier eateries like Pizza Express, and it’s always grey.”

“That might not sound so bad but bearing in mind the life enjoyed by rich people like me who can go through Brexit without fear of the consequences, it’s absolute agony.”

“I understand they filmed Superman IV here. God knows what Christopher Reeve did to deserve that, he’s the last person I’d imagine warranting a trip to hell. Maybe he kicked a dog on an off day.”

Longtime Milton Keynes resident Derek Matthews told us, “Oh. Really? That actually does make sense. I’ve been convincing myself this place is great, losing endless hours wandering around the shopping centre surrounded by miserable looking people.

“You can live here forever and still get lost trying to leave town thanks to the god-awful road layout.

“It’s been staring me in the face for years, this is actually the bad place.”
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