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What Book Are You Reading

Excerpt from Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451

Come on, Montag. All this
philosophy, let's get rid of it.
It's even worse than the novels.
Thinkers, philosophers, all of
them saying exactly the same thing:
"Only I am right.
The others are all idiots."
One century, they tell you
man's destiny is predetermined.
The next, they say that
he has freedom of choice.
It's just a matter of fashion,
that's all. Philosophy.
Just like short dresses this
year, long dresses next year.
Look. All stories of the
dead. Biography that's called.
And autobiography.
My life. My diary.
My memoirs.
My intimate memoirs.
Of course, when they started out,
it was just the urge to write.
Then after the second or third book, all
they wanted was to satisfy their own vanity,
To stand out from the crowd,
to be different,
To be able to look down
on all the others.
Ah, critic's prize. This is a good one.
Of course, he had the critics
on his side. Lucky fellow.
Just tell me this, Montag,
at a guess, How many literary awards were made in
this country, on an average each year?
Five, ten, forty? Hmm?
No less than. Anybody that put pen to paper was
bound to win some prize someday.
Ah, Robinson Crusoe. The negroes didn't
like that because of his man, Friday.
And Nietzsche. Ah, Nietzsche.
The Jews didn't like Nietzsche.
Now, here's a book about lung cancer.
All the cigarette smokers got into a panic,
so for everybody's peace of mind, we burn it.
Ah, now this one must be very
profound. The Ethics of Aristotle.
Now anybody that read that must believe
he's a cut above anybody that hadn't.
You see, it's no good, Montag.
We've all got to be alike.
The only way to be happy is
for everyone to be made equal.


So, we must burn the books,
Montag.
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Trendmonger wrote:
What Book Are You Reading

Excerpt from Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451

Come on, Montag. All this
philosophy, let's get rid of it.
It's even worse than the novels.
Thinkers, philosophers, all of
them saying exactly the same thing:
"Only I am right.
The others are all idiots."
One century, they tell you
man's destiny is predetermined.
The next, they say that
he has freedom of choice.
It's just a matter of fashion,
that's all. Philosophy.
Just like short dresses this
year, long dresses next year.
Look. All stories of the
dead. Biography that's called.
And autobiography.
My life. My diary.
My memoirs.
My intimate memoirs.
Of course, when they started out,
it was just the urge to write.
Then after the second or third book, all
they wanted was to satisfy their own vanity,
To stand out from the crowd,
to be different,
To be able to look down
on all the others.
Ah, critic's prize. This is a good one.
Of course, he had the critics
on his side. Lucky fellow.
Just tell me this, Montag,
at a guess, How many literary awards were made in
this country, on an average each year?
Five, ten, forty? Hmm?
No less than. Anybody that put pen to paper was
bound to win some prize someday.
Ah, Robinson Crusoe. The negroes didn't
like that because of his man, Friday.
And Nietzsche. Ah, Nietzsche.
The Jews didn't like Nietzsche.
Now, here's a book about lung cancer.
All the cigarette smokers got into a panic,
so for everybody's peace of mind, we burn it.
Ah, now this one must be very
profound. The Ethics of Aristotle.
Now anybody that read that must believe
he's a cut above anybody that hadn't.
You see, it's no good, Montag.
We've all got to be alike.
The only way to be happy is
for everyone to be made equal.


So, we must burn the books,
Montag.




so are you actually reading this, or did you just feel like farting some more?

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Jews don't like Nietzche? That's news to me. Why?
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Jews don't like Nietzche? That's news to me. Why?



hmm, I just started reading Walt & Mearsheimers THE ISRAEL LOBBY...I will look for clues...
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Jews don't like Nietzche? That's news to me. Why?



hmm, I just started reading Walt & Mearsheimers THE ISRAEL LOBBY...I will look for clues...


I read his 'On The Case Of Wagner' and other things by him and he seems pretty critical of anti-semitism.
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Jews don't like Nietzche? That's news to me. Why?


people probably assume it because Nietzche was erroneously linked with the rise of nazism. Some people seen his philosophy through misinterpretation as influencing the rise of the far right in germany.

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TheCentralScrutinizer wrote:
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Jews don't like Nietzche? That's news to me. Why?


people probably assume it because Nietzche was erroneously linked with the rise of nazism. Some people seen his philosophy through misinterpretation as influencing the rise of the far right in germany.


Ridiculous. I personally really like Nietzche, so it bothers me that he seems to be so frequently misunderstood. I never actually finished 'Zarathustra'--by the beginning of the second book the style's imitation of the Bible was starting to really bother me--but when I was reading the prologue I was shocked. His description of the 'Ultimate Man' (not the Overman) has always read to me like a critique of blind nihilism.

EDIT: Also, right now I'm reading 'Gargantua and Pantagruel' by Francois Rabelais. Great book, completley filthy, filthy stuff. Masterpiece. I reccomend it to anyone, I wish I could read it in French. Was this really written in the 1500's?
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FeralCats wrote:
TheCentralScrutinizer wrote:
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Jews don't like Nietzche? That's news to me. Why?


people probably assume it because Nietzche was erroneously linked with the rise of nazism. Some people seen his philosophy through misinterpretation as influencing the rise of the far right in germany.


Ridiculous. I personally really like Nietzche, so it bothers me that he seems to be so frequently misunderstood. I never actually finished 'Zarathustra'--by the beginning of the second book the style's imitation of the Bible was starting to really bother me--but when I was reading the prologue I was shocked. His description of the 'Ultimate Man' (not the Overman) has always read to me like a critique of blind nihilism.

EDIT: Also, right now I'm reading 'Gargantua and Pantagruel' by Francois Rabelais. Great book, completley filthy, filthy stuff. Masterpiece. I reccomend it to anyone, I wish I could read it in French. Was this really written in the 1500's?


his sister is largely to blame for it, she took control of all his work when he became mentally ill later in life and she edited (and forged) a lot of his writings.

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TheCentralScrutinizer wrote:
people probably assume it because Nietzche was erroneously linked with the rise of nazism. Some people seen his philosophy through misinterpretation as influencing the rise of the far right in germany.


Thx CS, couldn't say it better.

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I find it funny people consider fascism to be "the far right". How could socialism ever be considered right wing!? But I guess the left right paradigm doesn't make any sense to begin with.

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I find it funny people consider fascism to be "the far right". How could socialism ever be considered right wing!? But I guess the left right paradigm doesn't make any sense to begin with.


well it's only difficult if you think of the politicial spectrum as being linear. If you think of it as being circular, then the far left and far right are almost the same ;)

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This is a book I read recently.....A great inside look at this tortured soul. Highly recommended. :wink:


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I find it funny people consider fascism to be "the far right". How could socialism ever be considered right wing!? But I guess the left right paradigm doesn't make any sense to begin with.

It's actually quite straight forward. Socialists ideally believe in some kind of equality for all citizens and it is that idea which is labelled left wing. The right wing is designated for those who believe in having the majority of the population subserviant to a ruling class. The nazis in Germany in the 1930s may have called themselves socialists but they did not believe in equality for all and that's what made them right wing.

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Right. The Nazis weren't fascist - they were more akin to fundamentalists. Mussolini was fascist.

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This is a book I read recently.....A great inside look at this tortured soul. Highly recommended. :wink:


Yea. Howard Kaylan is interviewed here and there in the book.
Damn, losing 2 close, talented friends friends to cancer must stink.
Zevon was a student of Stravinsky, y'know. They became close friends.
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This is a book I read recently.....A great inside look at this tortured soul. Highly recommended. :wink:


Yea. Howard Kaylan is interviewed here and there in the book.
Damn, losing 2 close, talented friends friends to cancer must stink.
Zevon was a student of Stravinsky, y'know. They became close friends.


Zevon wrote a couple of tunes for the Turtles..Outside Chance and Like The Seasons which was the flipside of Happy Together.
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FOWL wrote:
I find it funny people consider fascism to be "the far right". How could socialism ever be considered right wing!? But I guess the left right paradigm doesn't make any sense to begin with.

It's actually quite straight forward. Socialists ideally believe in some kind of equality for all citizens and it is that idea which is labelled left wing. The right wing is designated for those who believe in having the majority of the population subserviant to a ruling class. The nazis in Germany in the 1930s may have called themselves socialists but they did not believe in equality for all and that's what made them right wing.


The whole left right thing is basically just a muddy mess and there is no clear interpretation of what either means because there are millions of issues and they all arbitrarily seem to fall into a left or right category. I tend to think of left right as a purely economic issue in it's most basic sense, the left meaning pool the wealth, and the right meaning, keep the wealth in private hands away from governments. Basically we've never seen either! We've always been in some degree of a hellish quagmire of tyrannical socialism.

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