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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:09 am 
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1. Drop out of school and go to the library to learn...
2. I don't like reading, it makes me sleepy...


just because he doesnt like reading doesnt mean he cant tell other people that reading is a good thing...


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FeralCats wrote:
1. Drop out of school and go to the library to learn...
2. I don't like reading, it makes me sleepy...


just because he doesnt like reading doesnt mean he cant tell other people that reading is a good thing...


Yeah, but he also added to the end of number 1 that that's what he did. So, uhh? Maybe it has something to do with Age and work? I don't know..


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FeralCats wrote:
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FeralCats wrote:
1. Drop out of school and go to the library to learn...
2. I don't like reading, it makes me sleepy...


just because he doesnt like reading doesnt mean he cant tell other people that reading is a good thing...


Yeah, but he also added to the end of number 1 that that's what he did. So, uhh? Maybe it has something to do with Age and work? I don't know..
He was only speaking of himself in "#2" and not advocating anything. Likely he was bored of reading and more focused on his work and the best ways to get it done.

He did speak of a "post-literate society" and likely felt that the best books had already been written long ago. If that was in fact how he felt I wouldn't hesitate to agree.

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Or how about Big Leg Emma? Seems pretty crude for the time period.


Except that way back in 1967, a song like this was an exception.

However, by 1970s, stupid and lascivious songs like "Road Ladies", "Tell Me You Love Me", "Dirty Love" etc would become a rule. Or at least one of the several post-60s Zappa rules.

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Studebaker wrote:
Or how about Big Leg Emma? Seems pretty crude for the time period, not that I mind...

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Except that way back in 1967, a song like this was an exception.


well, what about 'right there' (1969/from 'you can't do that on stage anymore, vol. 5')? jamming over a tape with noises of a groupie being fucked...
and the tape was recorded by bunk gardner, the serious woodwind and reed player...
how could they? :wink:

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Frank was fond of saying to the public thru-out his career that he had done a bunch of market research before he got into the music business. It seems that he cultivated this interest throughout his career in music.
He also was quite the amateur anthropologist. And you might say on a larger scale He enjoyed finding out what people would do when confronted with the unexpected. But people ARE just plain funny, and like the story of Michael Kenyon, Camarillo Brillo, Dinah Mo-Hum and many others, tales told to him or that he heard about which seemed so preposterously silly or stupid -- he just had to write a song about it.
So putting these together, recognizing the cultural ferment going on all over the world and wishing it to continue in certain areas, recognizing too when certain other folks would take over a field in music or art or social matters* even, Frank could then branch out and tackle other areas he felt folks oughta know about. But the stupid smut
"go in and roll over, I'm goin IN you again, In you again, In you again . . ."
I always took as Frank, doing anthropology, focused on a certain audience with certain songs in order to 'get 'em' listening and then would ALWAYS blow them away with the MUSIC. Which is the best.
To gain and build an audience of horny disafected teenage boys and gals that he could simultaneously freak out with music, and make his 'free-speech' point as well as tell an unexpectedly low brow art statement about performance for thousands of public hearings ON A GLOBAL SCALE.
smart fucker that one

* Frank knew on some early page that if there isn't anybody doin a certain kind of work, then that kind of work wasn't done. Frank knew what the Rolling Stones and the whot-else were doing without having to listen to most of the others' music but saw what many of his contemporaries were doing anyway being out on the road all the time. To me a perfect example of this is implied in the section in TRFZB where Mick Jagger came and visited Frank at the cabin in Laurel Canyon and then proceeded to remove -- theis is Mick we're talkin about here -- a SPLINTER from Frank's big toe. Someone quote it chapter and verse, and another say "Amen."


Bumping it I am.

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It's my least favorite aspect of his music. Those religious right people have a point when it comes to that stuff. It's childish and immature, and not even very funny. I think maybe back in the pre-internet days, singing about sex was different. It was one way to get titillated without having to venture into a scummy dimly light porn store. Being a "go it alone", "free spirit" type like Frank was is nice, but if you are doing something that many people say is dumb, maybe they aren't just "hung up". Maybe they are right. Lots of critics criticized Frank for the dirty jokes and I think it's too bad he didn't think i over more.


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I think I get more caught up with his absurd humor like the one present in WRMF or Lumpy Gravy than with his satire. Absolutely Free and Freak Out would be my exceptions.


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