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Yes I perverted the shit out the idea of AUD recordings because you still support an AUD when an Official Release is on the table. I'll pervert anything to make a point to get people to think outside thir little Box that justifies fucking with FranK Zappa's artistic integrity.

Jayp once by your means Buffalo is a sampler because 3 source tapes were used. It's Warts N All. Jayp sometimes ya gotta just look at what that artist does adn take it fro what it is. callign somethign a Sampler can easily be scrutinized and taken as quite a derogitory term to mean that it was just thrown together from some other work.

you just spitted out that Fanaskeptasaureous behavior calling the Halloween DVD-A A Sampler.

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I will how ever address the notion of me having my head up the ass of 1,000s of polished turds. I appreciate them for what they are based on content, which happens to be documentation of live performances. That's it plain and simple. Yes they may vary in sound quality but it's the content that really matters. The music moves me. I an at anytime put on a show and hear Frank play a beautiful guitar solo in 1973 in Dupree's Paradise and it's a beautiful thing. I apprecitate the MUSIC and ALL of it's artistic integrity while it was being performed. I'm glad these show were documented for historical purposes.[/quote]

isn't this the reason we are all here?? its about the music. i've got so many boxes and boxes of shows from various artists...it all just adds to my love of the MUSIC. there's a reason i have 200 something zeppelin shows on "bootlegs"...its cause they don't release shit from their live history. i own everything they have put out...i want more, so i get live shows. easy stuff.

jayp is right. he wins!

not to get involved in this thing here, but trendy, for someone who liberally uses the "music is teh best" quote, you should know where he's coming from.


edit: i guess i screwed up the "quote" function (tough to do), so take what i say with 7 grains of salt...

Fine you enjoy it. Why would you be doing it otherwize because you hate it. Jayp, I just think there is a point where spending too much time listening to all the AUDs,SBDs and Pirated-Works-in Progress gets in the way of Artistic Integrity. Just my opinion. Not you so be it.

I do understand you like them. Yes you like listening to 1,000 Unnoficial, Unauthorized, Frank Zappa AUDs, SBDs and Pirated OWrks in Progress.

You not only like listening to them but when an Official release comes out you think it is O.K. that the Free Trade of quite a similar project that the artist in no way has approved is O.K. still to listen to. how low can you go?
is ther a point wher you have respect for the artistic intent of the artist.

Maybe you will never change. That is O.K. I know you financialy support each release but damn I am going to state my concerns about artistic integrity so long as fans continue to fuck with the artist rights and integrity. Not every Free trade individual buys every Official Release.

I just don't think if Frank was arround in 2007 that he would appreciate the free trade of 1,000 AUDs,SBDs or Pirated Works In Progress. The ZFT may very well not like it either and just choose not to coment on the issue.
teh fact that they put buffalo together and any Free trader woudl support any similar Free Trade Release blows my mind.

supporting official releases is great...that's how we'll get more of them!! i love official releases. but the point of still having and enjoying an aud copy of the buffalo show for historical musical purposes is legit...
as a historian, if i just looked at everything the white house officially put out in press releases, etc., i wouldn't get too far. sure, there are reasons that certain things aren't officially released, but that doesn't make everything else irrelevant.

Jayp,

I understand quite well why listening is exciting. I went to over 50 Frank Zappa concerts. That is not the issue. it's about artistic integrity. So much listening and Free Downloading can cloud artistic integrity and artistic rights. I understand that you are only 1 of thousands who share similar beleifs as you. I don't know since you are not getting your ears cut off you can only use your own judgement.

Yeah I pervert the issue to hell but it is just so each and every person thinks time and time again about what they are doing. I ahve seen Rush a few times over the last 30 years or so. Talented group with some good songs but that is about it. Nothing at all special about the live shows unless watching people stand all night is exciting.

unfortunately, i only have a couple of zappa boots thus far (was a bit late on the scene...only been a fan for like 3 yrs. now). all in due time...

if the rights of the artist is something that is being lost (which i don't agree with when it comes to bootlegs), then the artist should just release all of their live shows, like pearl jam or phish. then i, the consumer gets a EX sounding show for a cheap price, and the artist gets $$$ to suppliment his integrity and/or rights.

Please, for the love of God and everything else in this world that is or might have been holy, don't bother: we get the fucking point! You've (barely) articulated your opinion on this a thousand times before; please just let it drop!

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Thanks for the info JayP.

Not true.

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Well, that was 25 YEARS AGO. Also, that's not really relating to what I was responding to, is it? You really need to listen to bootlegs from the Roll The Bones, Test For Echo & Vapor Trails tours. That should shut you the hell up...




I know, they're getting sick of losing debate after debate after debate with me. But if you really want me to, hun...

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Arf.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! JayPee? Shall I pass you a really putrid Battie Award for you to present personally to a very deserving Trendy? You know as well as almost everyone here knows that I have the very finest taste in rotten shit of anyone!

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STILL pissed at Tipper. VCF

Hear, hear.

Forget the theorising bullshit, Trendy. Order it, wait, open the package when it arrives, put the CD in the player, turn it up loud and ENJOY.

Fuck I wish I had the cash to buy this NOW, and not in a few week's time. Although I'd still have to wait weeks for it to arrive in the mail, as my MOFO did (and my James Brown Singles Vol. 2 from Hip-O-Select is, which is starting to concern me).

Holy Crap, is that an actual quote? Yea, but it's taken out of context harumph harumph.

Samplers, downloading, insanity.

Well, the first person who listens to the thing has to start a new thread pronto. I hope it's not someone that pisses me off...

It's not that out of context.

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Arf.

mail order only.

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"bit of nostalgia for the old folks."

Is something else being released May 1st?

I went for the next day delivery. If I get it tomorrow I'll let you know what I think (but please remember I like all those poor sounding 72 shows, and the Beefheart shows....so don't get upset, please).

well said VCF. i would consider this audio p0rn for vinnie fans like you and me. and taboot i finally ordered a cd copy of sunpyg because i only had it on tape....so its gonna be ridiculous when this package arrives.

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To get away from the jaypunk/trendy feud for a minute, let's talk about the 80s tour.

What are your favorite shows?

Mine are the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium Show and the Pittsburgh show. I also have a really good sounding SBD show from Dallas. I don't think anyone's artistic integrity was compromised by my listening to these bootlegs. It's music and I'd be happy to pay for it if the ZFT released it.

I have a feeling BUFFALO will be sort of a mix between the Dallas show and the Santa Monica Show. Tinseltown Rebellion and Pick Me I'm Clean will probably be the earlier versions and not the versions we heard on the "Tinseltown Rebellion" album.

Personally, I love this band and a complete 80s tour was at the top of my wish list. Great singing, great soloing, Tommy Mars on "The Torture Never Stops." Kick Ass!! Thank you ZFT.

^^^ yeah fall 80 is far and away my favorite band/lineup/tour. i love the dallas show, VCF sent me a great copy of that, and some other shows as well. i like the way "pick me" really progressed over the tour, along with "blue light." the playing on this tour is exceptional, each show you dont know whats going to happen, or what "version" they will play. vinnie and frank just push each other to the outer limits and beyond, and arty is right there the whole time playing some of the sickest bass ive ever heard. just ridiculousness at its best. all the shows are great, they each have their own little quirks, but santa monica was killer, austin as you mentioned, colorado is a pisser during blue light: "you walk around the woods checking out your karma, your mantra...you snort your carrot juice." haha this shit rules! if they ever released a dvd of this tour, i would .... i dont even know what i'd do.

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1980 04 11 Wishita[sic], 125 min
1980 10 16 Austin, 99 min
1980 10 17 Dallas, 62 min
1980 10 31 Palladium (SBD), 41 min
1980 11 13 E Pittsburg, 91
1980 11 28 E Chicago, 109
Crush All Boxes, the stolen mix, 37 min

til the buffalo comes to my home
and the steers are not crowdy all day

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Personally, it doesn't really matter to me, but I did wonder if we really know that this is actually the full concert? I'm not saying I think the ZFT are liars or anything. I guess I'm just wondering if there's any document or something online somewhere that would actually show the full setlist of this particular concert. Again, it wouldn't matter to me if it wasn't entirely complete, but I think there are some people on here that would maybe care. I'm of the opinion that just because, say, for example, Hot Rats didn't include Bognor Regis doesn't mean it isn't an amazing album. I'm not going to judge Buffalo based on whether or not it's the complete concert, but, well, I guess I'm just curious.

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Arf.

1980 was the first year I saw Frank. I was 13 years old. Yeesh! No one's artistic whatever is being compromised. I listen to Boots, but if the recording sux, I don't want to hear it. I'd much rather hear a nice crispy SBD of a show. Of course, there aren't alot available, seeing as though Frank was pretty tight with the tapes. And believe me, he taped everything. The fact that ZFT is releasing a whole concert is Fantastic. Way to go peeps!! Now if we could just get 200 motels on DVD, and the full Roxy concert in HD we'd all be set!!
BTW Pink Floyd played the same show all tour, but there is no shortage of bootlegs. Even Gilmore once said (and I'm paraphrasing), if you want to hear a live album, buy the bootleg.

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