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[quote author=Studebaker link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=0#5 date=03/11/06 at 07:26:11]However, some drugs are just highly addictive substances themselves, and I don't think we should legalize crack or PCP or other stuff that would cause anyone to become addicted pretty instantly. It's pretty hard to fulfill a meaningful role in society when you're zonked out on crack or heroin 24/7. But IMO hardcore addicts shouldn't be treated like criminals, but rather like people with an illness who need help.[/quote]<br><br>I'm not interested in making choices for people.  You're free to destroy your own life, it's your property.  I also wouldn't trust a government to say, "well, drugs a, b, and c are ok, but there's no way we can legalize e, f and g."<br><br>Being a junkie is not a crime, it is a tragedy.  However, being a junkie is not an excuse to commit crimes.<br><br>From a darwinian perspective, it's probably a good thing to legalize drugs (which should cheapen them) and let nature sort everything out.  You're free to dispose of your life as you see fit.

[quote author=White_Ugliness link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=15#26 date=03/23/06 at 16:25:16]<br>Being a junkie is not a crime, it is a tragedy.  However, being a junkie is not an excuse to commit crimes.  [/quote]<br><br>Yeah, but that's exactly the problem. As soon as someone gets so heavily addicted that he/she can't function in society and make a decent living, that person's  going to live off welfare and/or commit petty crimes to get a fix every day. The tax payer is the one to pick up the tab eventually. <br><br>I don't necessarily mean to keep certain drugs illegal to protect these people from themselves, but also to minimize the costs for society in general. Some drugs are just too addictive and debilitating to legalize them, imo.<br>

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[quote author=Studebaker link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=15#27 date=03/23/06 at 16:32:23]<br><br> Some drugs are just too addictive and debilitating to legalize them, imo.<br>[/quote]<br><br>I almost agree with you on that one.  I'm involved with the property market, and just the other day I had to inspect a house occupied by druggies.   Basically, what I  observed was a man, a petite bourgeois american, who put his estate through a crack pipe.   In this case the druggie didn't call upon society to bail him out.  In any event, this caused a lot of soul-searching on my part, because the drug issue was painfully obvious. <br><br>Truly, I felt for this man's plight, but, on the other hand, I don't think society was wrong in relegatiing him to the dregs.  I don't think the legal issues were in any way preventative in this case.  In fact, I don't think legality is an issue with druggies.  <br><br>

[quote author=White_Ugliness link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=15#28 date=03/23/06 at 16:53:54]<br><br>I almost agree with you on that one.  I'm involved with the property market, and just the other day I had to inspect a house occupied by druggies.   Basically, what I  observed was a man, a petite bourgeois american, who put his estate through a crack pipe.   In this case the druggie didn't call upon society to bail him out.  In any event, this caused a lot of soul-searching on my part, because the drug issue was painfully obvious. <br><br>Truly, I felt for this man's plight, but, on the other hand, I don't think society was wrong in relegatiing him to the dregs.  I don't think the legal issues were in any way preventative in this case.  In fact, I don't think legality is an issue with druggies.  <br><br>[/quote]<br>it's quite ironic, someone who works in the property market speaking out against the evils of society  ;D

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[quote author=White_Ugliness link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=15#28 date=03/23/06 at 16:53:54]<br><br>I almost agree with you on that one.  I'm involved with the property market, and just the other day I had to inspect a house occupied by druggies.   Basically, what I  observed was a man, a petite bourgeois american, who put his estate through a crack pipe.   In this case the druggie didn't call upon society to bail him out.  In any event, this caused a lot of soul-searching on my part, because the drug issue was painfully obvious. <br><br>Truly, I felt for this man's plight, but, on the other hand, I don't think society was wrong in relegatiing him to the dregs.  I don't think the legal issues were in any way preventative in this case.  In fact, I don't think legality is an issue with druggies.  <br><br>[/quote]<br><br>There are plenty of rich junkies too. You seem to be relegating drug use only to the poor.<br>

[quote author=TheCentralScrutinizer link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=15#29 date=03/23/06 at 17:16:16]<br>it's quite ironic, someone who works in the property market speaking out against the evils of society  ;D [/quote]<br><br><br>I just price 'em.  How the prices get there are not my business.  

[quote author=White_Ugliness link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=30#31 date=03/23/06 at 17:24:35]<br><br><br>I just price 'em.  How the prices get there are not my business.  [/quote]<br>that was like the gestapo...we were only following orders

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[quote author=Calvin2hikers link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=30#30 date=03/23/06 at 17:21:52]<br><br>There are plenty of rich junkies too. You seem to be relegating drug use only to the poor.<br>[/quote]<br><br>If you're rich, that's your own problem.   It doesn't matter where you start.

[quote author=TheCentralScrutinizer link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=30#32 date=03/23/06 at 17:28:21]<br>that was like the gestapo...we were only following orders[/quote]<br><br>That's not fair.  I really don't care what people do with their lives, I don't like the government to get involved. <br><br>"That government that governs least, governs best."  Thoreau

[quote author=White_Ugliness link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=30#34 date=03/23/06 at 17:45:23]<br><br>That's not fair.  I really don't care what people do with their lives, I don't like the government to get involved. <br><br>"That government that governs least, governs best."  Thoreau[/quote]<br><br>i'm only joking man, don't take it seriously<br>

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[quote author=TheCentralScrutinizer link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=30#35 date=03/23/06 at 17:49:31]<br><br>i'm only joking man, don't take it seriously<br>[/quote]<br><br>If I take it seriously, it's because you're one of the participants here that I do take seriously.<br><br>I don't think I'm better than anyone else, and for that reason I don't think I (or any government) should make decisions that control another's fate.

[quote author=White_Ugliness link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=30#36 date=03/23/06 at 18:00:34]<br><br>I don't think I'm better than anyone else, and for that reason I don't think I (or any government) should make decisions that control another's fate. [/quote]<br><br>Right On Ugliness. I'm in the Real Estate game too (developper) and beleive me here in France we got government right in our faces all the time. However, some government is needed otherwise it's just chaos right?

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[quote author=The_Acadian_2 link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=30#37 date=03/27/06 at 09:48:46]<br><br>Right On Ugliness. I'm in the Real Estate game too (developper) and beleive me here in France we got government right in our faces all the time. However, some government is needed otherwise it's just chaos right?[/quote]<br><br>absolutely, but there is a point when goverment gets too big.

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