[quote author=monstermovie link=board=rant;num=1075297360;start=0#14 date=01/29/04 at 05:32:55]<br><br>Only one of the four points you listed in relation with UFO's existence would correspond to a real important fact.<br><br>Although I am persuaded that the existence of other life forms (notwistanding whether they are "intelligent", which is human notion) is simply statistically certain (especially after the improved knowledge of terrestrial life forms in extreme environmental conditions), I am still waiting for ONE seriously ackowledgeed fact tending to prove the existence of UFOs.<br><br>If you are aware of this kind of serious proof, please let me know.<br><br>Até logo cara.[/quote]<br><br>N* = 250 billion<br>(number of stars in the Milky Way Galaxy) <br> <br> <br> f p = 1/4<br>(fraction of stars that have planetary systems) <br> <br> <br> n e = 2<br>(number of planets in a given system that are ecologically suitable for life) <br> <br> <br> f l = 1/2<br>(fraction of otherwise suitable planets on which life actually arises) <br> <br> <br> f i = 1/10<br>(fraction of inhabited planets on which an intelligent form of life evolves) <br> <br> <br> f c = 1/10<br>(fraction of planets inhabited by intelligent beings on which a communicative technical civilization develops) <br> <br> <br> f L = 1/100<br>(fraction of a planetary lifetime graced by a technical civilization) <br> <br>From
http://my.voyager.net/~stargazer/sagan.html<br><br><br>Yes, Monstermovie, it is statistically very propable that there is inteligent life out there, even more with recent discoveries of new found planets on similar start systems like ours...<br><br>I dispute that only one of the 4 topics would be good hard evidence, beacuse cientists tend to dissmis or disvalue evidence such as sightings repports or photographs, but the point is that not every repport or every photo is a fake/miscompreshension, once there are repports by trained people (who hardly would misindentify a natural pheomena or a airplane, etc...) of UFO sightings and there are reliable photos. IMO they are not so apparent beacuse of higher interests of keeping it secret untill now. I know it sounds fantastic and absurd, but as I've said before, I am begining to consider that as alternative hypothesis.<br><br>I have see UFOs myself, but at cost of my skeptcism, I diminished the value of such experience. It was like 1995 or 96 and today, I know it couldn't be the better alternative explanation (following Occkham's razor), a satellite. Satelites only move in on direction and one sense in the sky (I am not sure but east-west axis). I have seen simultaneously 4 to 5 small objects in the background of the night sky, moving so fast that you could see the they were following the sky dome form (an arc?), and they were going on different directions. I know a bit of astronomy to know they couldn't at any possibility be asteroids. When I saw the first one, I simply ignored it thinking it was a satellite, but when I saw another one, going in another direction I've pointed it out to other people who were with me. At the same time some other people that we didn't know, haven't speaked to them before, that were camped right next to us, they saw other poits moving behind us in the sky. Just small withe points very far away... I know it sounds silly, but I even kept from telling people this, so they won't look me weird, or think I was high (i wasn't). Of course that a skeptic person will always come with a alternative, that I was deluded or something....<br><br>I bet Frank have seen UFOs too so he wrote the "mother Marry and Joseph section on Inca Roads).<br><br>OPEN YOUR SCIENTIFIC MIND Monstermovie... We once didn't know the earth wasn't flat!