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I like SD with and without vocals. But, I have to say that the version with vocals is among FZs most unique sounding work IMO. That sounds nothing like anything else Frank has ever done, and its still kinda creepy to me..........

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I Was In A Drum

A little over two months later....



"...he used to be....a nice boy....he used....to cut the grass."

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I want dis little pussy
Baby wants some o' dis
And some o' dat
Don't treat me, baby, like your
Any old Alley Cat
Alley Cat, Alley Cat

Jimmie D Fan

a little over seven months later



the vocals still suck; always have, always will

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It sorta bothered me that the beginning of The Ocean Is The Ultimate Solution is chopped off on Lather.  Anyone know why that is?<br><br>PS  I think the ending of Time is Money is perfectly executed.

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Some folks got it
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Some so yoogly
They never won't

When I bought my Sleep Dirt CD, I was lucky enough to find a copy of the original first pressing of the Barking Pumpkin version. This has the original drum part Chester played when they were recording "Regyptian Strut" instead of Chad's overdubbage (which was included for the second pressing and every version afterwards). For more info, check this out:<br><br>http://lukpac.org/~handmade/patio/vinylvscds/sleepdirt.html

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It's like that old song, “Blomp Blomp-a Noop Noop A-Noop Noop Noop.”

one of zappa's very best acoustic jams, fucking butchered

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[quote author=slime.oofytv.set link=board=albums;num=1051111703;start=30#33 date=02/15/05 at 10:21:41]<br>one of zappa's very best acoustic jams, fucking butchered<br>[/quote]<br>I agree.  IMO, it's an unbelievable genius masterpiece,  doesn't make sense why it wouldn't be on there in its entirety.<br>

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Some folks got it
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Some so yoogly
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Frank shortened that track for the Läther album, including the full version of the track would stretch the LP side out to 28 minutes, and FZ always wanted the best sound quality on his albums, no matter what format they existed in. You cannot put more than 25 minutes on an LP without affecting the sound quality: longer LP sides have smaller grooves.

This is the reason why "Didja Get Any Onya?" was extended for the CD release of Weasels Ripped My Flesh: he couldn't fit the entire 6-minute recording on the record, because it would stretch out the LP sides. Same thing with "The Gumbo Variations" on Hot Rats.

The only reason Frank could include the full version of "The Ocean Is The Ultimate Solution" on the Sleep Dirt vinyl is because he only had two other tracks on side two: a two minute track and a three minute track. The entire side two of that album was about 20 minutes long because he only had three cuts on it and two were short.

On side 7 of the Läther album, he had a 7 minute track, a 5 minute track and the 8 minute version of "The Ocean Is The Ultimate Solution," and it fit perfectly. Had Frank lived to see the CD release of Läther, he probably would have included the full version of that song on the CD.

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I want dis little pussy
Baby wants some o' dis
And some o' dat
Don't treat me, baby, like your
Any old Alley Cat
Alley Cat, Alley Cat

Jimmie D Fan

[quote author=Isaac link=board=albums;num=1051111703;start=30#39 date=02/15/05 at 17:40:35]<br><br>Wrong. What you have posted is horseshit.<br><br>Okay, buddy?[/quote]<br>Watch out: Einstein is at work. What a strong argument you have put forth. With all that evidence to support your claim. <br><br>You are so fucking pathetic.

[quote author=Isaac link=board=albums;num=1051111703;start=30#42 date=02/15/05 at 19:09:36]<br><br>No, YOU ARE WRONG.<br><br>You are always wrong.<br><br>You are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.<br><br>Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.<br><br>You're posts are NOTHING but bullshit!<br><br>Fuck off. Okay, buddy?[/quote]<br>Your debating skills are poor at best.

MILES DAVIS<br>A TRIBUTE TO JACK JOHNSON<br><br>SIDE 1:  RIGHT OFF   26:54<br>SIDE 2:  YESTERNOW 25:36<br><br><br>without question one the finest lp's i own. <br>the sound quality of this vinyl recording puts to shame most of the shit that is released today on cd...<br><br>WHO'S  fulla shit???? <br><br><br><br>

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[quote author=Isaac link=board=albums;num=1051111703;start=30#42 date=02/15/05 at 19:09:36]<br><br>No, YOU ARE WRONG.<br><br>You are always wrong.<br><br>You are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.<br><br>Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.<br><br>You're posting NOTHING but bullshit!<br><br>Fuck off. Okay, buddy?[/quote]<br><br>I hereby nominate this post for the "best argument ever" forum award 2005<br><br> ;D

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All the time he would spend...all the colors he'd blend...
Where are they now?

::) [quote author=isaac link=board=albums;num=1051111703;start=30#36 date=02/15/05 at 13:39:09]...it is impossible to do that -- you can only include up to 20 minutes on each LP side....[/quote] <br><br><br><br><br><br>

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.....and this bad boy stretch out to a whopping 32:17<br><br>I guess now that you been proven wrong, you'll start deleting/editing<br>your posts and deny the whole thing.....again... <br><br><br><br><br>IB ;D<br><br>

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All the time he would spend...all the colors he'd blend...
Where are they now?

[quote author=Arkay link=board=albums;num=1051111703;start=45#54 date=02/16/05 at 11:00:41]<br><br>Well, my answer is much more boring than Isaac's...<br><br>I think he, uh... ya know he changed his miiiiiiiiiiinnnd...<br>People do that now and then.<br>... anyway, I have both at home, so mayyyybe laaaaaateeeeeer, I'll listen to the parts that got cut for any clues.... (after all it didn't make the cut for Zoot Allures, does anyone know why?)<br><br>What is puzzling me right now are timeline issues.  Maybe I'm confusing some points, so anyone who can clarify please do so.  The following includes my recollections of events...<br><br>1.  FZ submitted Lather to WB<br>2.  WB declined<br>3.  FZ released ZINY with its own issues<br>4.  WB released Studio Tan, Sleep Dirt and Orchestral Favorites that were FZ-sequenced but not the sequence of Lather.<br><br>Why I'm interested in this, primarily #4, is that I've heard people complain about the tone of ST, SD and OF saying that it is off due to the fact that the Lather masters were delivered to WB as undecoded Dolby masters.  So...<br><br>A.  Did WB release ST, SD and OF using the un-Dolby'd masters?<br>B.  If so, were they really sequenced by FZ?<br>C.  If he did sequence them himself (ya know, after Lather was off the table), why the hell didn't he set up the Dolby for it?  (I really doubt that FZ just told them how to sequence it by phone...)<br>D.  How did it turn out that FZ was not consulted on virtually every aspect of ST, SD, and OF, except for the sequencing?  Especially considering that not all the tracks on SD, ST, and OF were submitted for Lather.<br><br>[/quote]<br><br>Peronally, I dont believe the whole story about WB not having the EQ-settings / "secret dolby codes"...<br>...just listen to the Vinyl albums...<br><br>Anyway... <br>- We know they made vinyl test pressings of The Lather album...<br>- We know Frank had made Acetate pressings of Regyptian Strut and <br>Greggery Peccary (and who knows what else from Lather) allready in April 1975,<br>when he played them on the radio (WPLR - New Haven).<br>This was even before "One Size Fits All" was released....<br>This tells me that these masters had been in the WB system for a long time before<br>they where used on the albums.<br>Hard to believe they didnt have the info they needed to use them.<br><br><br>

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All the time he would spend...all the colors he'd blend...
Where are they now?