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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration
PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:50 am 
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[quote author=swiftkicknow link=board=general;num=1143637559;start=15#19 date=03/30/06 at 12:04:39]<br>But this is not 400 years ago. 400 years ago there was wide open land everywhere and not a lot of people. There was plenty of room for more people. Now the land has been developed, a system has been put in place for how the society works, and things are a LOT more crowded to say the least. Everything is different than it was 400 years ago. Forget about 400 years ago. We're all alive NOW. New problems.[/quote]<br><br>that's not true. there were people everywhere. you didn't have overpopulation until the europeans stole the land. it's only over population because people crowd their own cities.

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration
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[quote author=timmoggio82 link=board=general;num=1143637559;start=15#27 date=03/30/06 at 13:57:35]this world is so fucked up..<br><br>hey we'll take your land... yep.. then we'll rebadge it land of the free.... oh your skin's black? that'll never do, serve me slave! freedom!!!!<br><br>today's listening: i hate the white man, roy harper![/quote]<br><br>the land of the free has gotten better. it's no longer called slavery, and we're giving california and texas back to mexico. ;D ;D

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration
PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:32 pm 
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Reading this thread must have been akin to what Alice felt while wandering around in Wonderland.  ::)

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration
PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:35 pm 
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My grandparents immigrated LEGALLY to this country about 100 years ago.<br><br>What part of the word "ILLEGAL" is confusing when discussing this topic? <br><br>

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration
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i believe it's the "il" part ::)

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration
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[quote author=masterofnuthin link=board=general;num=1143637559;start=30#31 date=03/30/06 at 14:36:49]i believe it's the "il" part ::)[/quote]<br><br><br>How droll...

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration
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[quote author=aquabot link=board=general;num=1143637559;start=15#20 date=03/30/06 at 12:07:19]<br><br>The land was stolen, the fact that the stealers have developped it don't make it less stolen land.[/quote]<br><br>Give me a break. I get tired of people with the same old worn out arguements. Yes, it was a shame that the Spanish, French, Dutch, English, German ect ect ect...did I forget anybody they stole the land from the natives, and actually in some cases caused genocide with their forgiene diseases. Stealing land from the natives still goes on in places like the Amazon in South America where they strip the rain forest and relocate the native tribes.  8)

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration
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[quote author=masterofnuthin link=board=general;num=1143637559;start=15#18 date=03/30/06 at 11:58:14]<br>i haven't forgotten, i still have family on those reservations. i've been posting that for quite a while[/quote]<br><br>Oh!!! Impressive? Unless your 100% Native American your just a mutt like the rest of us. My 1/8 Chippewa blood doesn't mean shit when mixed with German, Polish, English, French did I forget any. It just makes me an American mutt and proud of it. Thank you.  8)<br>

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration
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1- There's blood on every nation's hands, so let's get past that already.<br><br>2- Let's try to deal with the here-and-now.<br><br>3- If anyone got into any country illegally, that country should have every right to escort that person to the border.<br><br>4- If you got in legally, congratulations.

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration
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[quote author=arrcee link=board=general;num=1143637559;start=15#29 date=03/30/06 at 14:32:03]Reading this thread must have been akin to what Alice felt while wandering around in Wonderland.  ::)[/quote]<br>No shit

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration
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[quote author=ZardozII link=board=general;num=1143637559;start=30#34 date=03/30/06 at 14:52:47]<br><br>Oh!!! Impressive? Unless your 100% Native American your just a mutt like the rest of us. My 1/8 Chippewa blood doesn't mean shit when mixed with German, Polish, English, French did I forget any. It just makes me an American mutt and proud of it. Thank you.  8)<br>[/quote]<br>did you grow up on a reservation? my dad work ed his ass of to go to school so we wouldn't have to, like him. reservations are fucking miserable. if you can get out of one do so. i went to live on one for a week and haven't looked back. i don't plan on it i try to help people there as much as possible

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration
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[quote author=aquabot link=board=general;num=1143637559;start=15#17 date=03/30/06 at 11:51:09]Funny to see people talking about "illegal immigration" in the U.S.A. when this country was created by illegal immigrants about 400 years ago. Remember the guys in the reservations ? They're the only real americans.[/quote]<br><br>The REAL Americans were slaughtered and shoved into small spaces in the desert and plains and given liquor stores instead of grocery stores.  They're called Apache, Cherokee, Sioux, and Homa. <br>

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration
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[quote author=masterofnuthin link=board=general;num=1143637559;start=30#37 date=03/30/06 at 16:28:52]<br>did you grow up on a reservation? my dad work ed his ass of to go to school so we wouldn't have to, like him. reservations are fucking miserable. if you can get out of one do so. i went to live on one for a week and haven't looked back. i don't plan on it i try to help people there as much as possible[/quote]<br><br>My wife is Homa native american and they still cant get nationally recognized by our shitty government.  They've been trying for 20 years and those fucks in Washington wont give them ass.  Bollucks!<br>

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration
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[quote author=masterofnuthin link=board=general;num=1143637559;start=30#37 date=03/30/06 at 16:28:52]<br>did you grow up on a reservation? my dad work ed his ass of to go to school so we wouldn't have to, like him. reservations are fucking miserable. if you can get out of one do so. i went to live on one for a week and haven't looked back. i don't plan on it i try to help people there as much as possible[/quote]<br>I visited a reservation in Washington state. It was dirty as fuck, the dogs looked mangy and wild, there were signs posted everywhere (on poles and buildings) reminding residents that drinking alcohol is illegal there (which I later learned was due to their notrious problem of rampant alcoholism), their houses were all run down and shitty, yet there were nice cars in front of some of these houses. <br><br>I got in a conversation with a local girl (who is an indian herself) who worked at the hotel in town where I spent the night. She gave me the scoop-- the people who choose to live on the reservation get paid money for living there, they get housing, plus they go to town and pick up checks for both welfare and food stamps. As a result, there is no incentive to work because they don't need to. They just get loaded and fuck off and don't take care of their shit. She said THAT'S why it's so miserable and filthy there.<br><br>The indians who don't live on the reservations despise the ones who do because they are filthy and lazy. They say there's nothing nobel about living on the reservation, it's not like you imagine with the proud tribe and yadda yadda, it's a shithole because they don't DO anything.<br><br>She went on to say that her grandfather, who is a full blooded (can't remember what tribe), said if ANYBODY in her family ever go live on a reservation and accept that lifestyle of laziness and freeloading he will "kill them." She started laughing and said "He'd do it, too. He's really old but he feels that strongly about it."<br><br>From what I saw myself and gathered from the conversation with the local girl, the world's overall perception of what "indian reservation" is and why they are the way they are is very inaccurate. At least in the case of that one in northwest Washington state.<br><br>P.S. You should thank your dad and follow his lead and go work your ass off in school, too, masterofnuthin.

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration
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Good points all of you!<br><br>OK here's the deal.  This place is way too over populated!  We don't need anymore people especially those who don't contribute anything when they get here except to take up space and raise kids that are fucking criminals because they work more than they are home!<br><br>I personally would like it if they required anyone from anyplace or state to have a passport to come to California and if you don't live here you can come for a while but please leave when you are done!<br><br>I am sick of seeing places that used to be pristine land all covered up with strip malls and crappy houses that are made by cheap labor that fall apart in 10 years that cost 3/4 of a million dollars for no other reason than the greedy fucks who run the real estate are cashing in.<br><br>Fuck you and go back to where you came from!

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration
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[quote author=Trendmonger link=board=general;num=1143637559;start=0#13 date=03/30/06 at 07:05:10]<br><br>Hope you are having fun. I am just typing like a madman. Sometimes I use spellcheck but mostly not. If you have fun finding the spelling errors good for you.[/quote]<br><br>Yes, that's the only fun I have in reading your posts.<br> <br>
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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration
PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:19 am 
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Bush's Guest Worker plan states that immigrants can come here and take jobs that Americans don't want to do for the wages offered. Therein lies the trap. All an employer has to do is offer a wage below that which would allow a person to live even a modest life. It wouldn't be filled and the next thing you know, here come the foreign laborers who will accept living in Third World conditions.<br><br>As to some of the comments made in this thread about US labor and poor quality products, allow me to offer this. I work at an auto component plant. The plant has acheived every quality award and national and international certification for quality that exists. the place has a reputation of being in the top three performers of the corporation that owns us. currently, we are the only plant out of all the ones around the world that is profitable. our wages and benfits are about half that of UAW plants. we are known for being able to turn a profit on low profit margin items. in short, we are a first class operation. our reward for this? corporate is taking 80% of our product line that we are making money on and sending to another US plant that is losing them over $85,000,000 a year on a single product. the corporate strategy is that they can send the big losing item to Mexico or China and these same folks will only screw up what is being taken from us and sent to them to the tune of a $25,000,000 a year loss instead of the $85,000,000 loss. never mind that we are currently making them money on it. this stroke of brilliance is because the UAW made the corporation agree to keep a set number of jobs at the UAW plant. the path of least resistance was to take the jobs from us because we aren't UAW and don't have their power. The sick think is that the corporation KNOWS that the UAW plant will screw things up - they have a reputation there for poor quality and high costs- and then the product line will go to China. to reward themselves for such creative thinking the top executives voted themselves pay raises of from 40 to 140%. did i mention the company is in chapter 11 bankruptcy protection? And what happens to us, the workers? Too bad. Globalization and all that. So, jobs are going to be scarce as this is happening in a small town where our plan is the major employer. What a great time for the influx of illegals to be arriving. I claim to be a Liberal, but apparently i am Liberal with a qualifier- take care of Americans and those here legally FIRST!<br><br>lastly, I am an immigrant, still a German National. I am an Honorably discharged Army Veteran. I've always worked and made my way by my work. Nobody ever gave me or even offered me any automatic Citizenship or shortcuts to become one. I wouldn't expect such a thing. Now to think Citizenship may be offered as a reward to those who come here illegally and work illegally for a long enough time is an affront. I wish the bozos in Washington cared as much about Americans and the legals as they seem to care about the lawbreakers. <br><br>

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration
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The USA has always issued work visa's. Problem is this time the influx would be staggering. Like jimmyzen stated an employer just has to lower wages significantly to achieve it's goal.  8)

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration
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like i said give california and texas back to mexico ;D<br>nobody really likes them anyway. (texas and california that is)

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration
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when USA "conquered" ;D ;D ;D the north part of the mexican republic<br>the mexicans living in there didn't went away like if, ok you won,<br>i'll go to mexico, nooooooo, they sleep being mexicans and waked up<br>being not legaly recognised US citicens, i mean USA invaded and keep<br>texas and california with all the people living in there,<br>so not all mexican ascendent people came from "illegal" border inmigration,<br>but well, i do hate  when very poor mexicans that lost their jobs in <br>the field 'cause with the north american thread mexico's got to impor<br>by legal contract, practically all the vegetables that they consume,<br>go to work as cheap hand work in there<br>but what i hate most is to see them go back with their big tennis shoes<br>and dallas cowboys jackets, acting like if they conquered the shit,<br>also hate to see the US people thinking that that stereotyped caracters<br>are the way mexicans are, people going to illegal inmigration are the most poor and ignorant people in latinamerica<br>if the USA want to have all the benefits, they got to assume the responsability of the people and countries they affect, give them jobs<br>and food and stop acting like if they where martirs<br>mostly the low class working people who loose jobs 'cause of the illegal inmigrants are the most fanatic, the kind of people who live to watch american idiot and vote for the republicans 'cause of fear, ignoraant fear,<br>so they cave their hole by themselves

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 Post subject: Re: Illegal Immigration
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[quote author=masterofnuthin link=board=general;num=1143637559;start=15#16 date=03/30/06 at 09:25:43]<br><br>first off that picture is disgusting.<br>second i stole some rich boy's job. my family has been here before the pilgrims. <br>third, are you threatening me ???, no realy are you because that's just not cool man[/quote]<br><br>1st off, It was meant to be, dumb schmuck!<br><br>2nd, Good, and now you can donate $$$ to what's left of the "AIM" and maybe get it to its feet.<br><br>3rd, I did whaaaa??!!:o You seem to have all the humor of a wet dishrag!<br><br>Additionally, Go fuck your self-important self.<br> <br>Sincerely,<br><br>Batchain

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