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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 7:49 pm 
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Can you please point out from where you got that information or derived that conclusion? Sorry I overlooked it.

Re-read Ahmet's letter carefully. The $1.00 a year thing is for licensing. No big deal, right? But pay close attention to the part about any of the siblings using the Zappa Plays Zappa name. That they all pay a percentage to the trust. It's not clear on what the percentage is but that's the hang up. Come on, who in that family has any ability to make any money playing music under the Zappa Plays Zappa banner besides Dweezil?


Looking at Ahmet's letter and Dweezil's reveals about Gail's dealings with him makes me wonder why DZ would have thought things would improve after Gail died. She made sure her concept of the ZFT was going to outlive her and she made Ahmet the Keeper of the Keys to the legacy.

Does anyone think Dweezil would have directed ZPZ profits to preserve the vault?

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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 8:24 pm 
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I don't see how Dweezil would have funneled ZPZ profits back to the ZFT. Running a touring band is such a huge operation. People (band and crew) with very unique skills are employed and need to be compensated. Plus all the travel, lodgings, etc. If there is a profit after all that then Dweezil deserves the bulk of it. The band needs to be a separate entity IMO. Merch sold at ZPZ shows should go back to the ZFT though.

Btw, thanks Tweezers for the props at my attempt at humor.


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I'd like you all to know, if this place is closed down, you're all welcome at the Goose.

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I'd like you all to know, if this place is closed down, you're all welcome at the Goose.


Thanks BBP, I'll be seeing you there.

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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 1:05 pm 
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Thanks for the invite, BBP, but EVERYONE? :shock:


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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 1:06 pm 
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There'll be moderation of course...

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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 1:06 pm 
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And just why would this forum here be closed?

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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 2:21 pm 
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I've seen speculation from a few forumers that it might be shut down I guess because of the new ZFT regime and there has been a lot of criticism against Ahmet. I don't see it though. Gail didn't seem to mind the criticism enough all these years to shut it down. It would make no sense business wise to close the door on people you are trying to sell stuff to.


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Do you know how they float?
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What is this bullshit about if you are a Zappa you have to have amazing musical skills or else you're not cool?

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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 3:43 pm 
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OK, Ahmet. You can shut it down now. :|


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They live in comfort the fuckin’ ass-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-holes
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That is totally fulfilling
(not enough in their case; spoiled brats)
They live by a widow’s co-co-co-co-co-co-code
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I am gross and perverted
I'm obsessed 'n deranged
I have existed for years
But very little has changed
I'm the tool of the Government
And industry too
For I am destined to rule
And regulate you

I may be vile and pernicious
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With the stuff that I say
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Have you guessed me yet?
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There is NO Grand Rights for Daddy's rotten legacy!


This is the CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER . . . it is my responsibility to enforce all the laws that haven't been passed yet. It is also my responsibility to alert each and every one of you to the potential consequences of various ordinary everyday activities you might be performing which could eventually lead to The Death Penalty (or affect your parent's credit rating).


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Even if Ahmet's only charging DZ one measly dollar to tour as "ZPZ", guess who has all those guitars that were Dweezil's, and plans on auctioning them? So if I was DZ, I wouldn't want to pay Ahmet a fucking penny on principle.

Anyone remember when ZPZ was downsized in 2010, mainly Billy Hulting leaving? I'd bet Gail's "fee" had a lot to do with that.


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KUIII wrote:
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Help me out here folks. Why did ZFT have to resort to a Kickstarter campaign when the funds required for both aspects of the project were (a) not significant and (b) would appear to be sensible expenditures by the ZFT in furtherance of its charter? I find it hard to believe ZFT would not have funded on its own. I must be missing something. Is there a liquidity issue? (Tried to post this yesterday but for some reason it did not register.)


The ZFT did not run the Kickstarter campaign, and aren't making the film. The documentary is independent of the Trust, but it has the support of the Trust, and access to the vault.

The ZFT have been funding their own restoration efforts over the years, however the sheer amount of material makes it an incredibly expensive exercise.

Since it is understandably so expensive do you know if there was a plan in place to restore the vault by other means if Alex's Kickstarter project hadn't happened? Were there plans to sell it? Did anybody offer to buy it? I'm thinking some entertainment companies like Rhino, Eagle Rock, or Shout! Factory may have had some interest. I'm thinking some of these options must have been considered because by what we've been told through the Kickstarter project that if something wasn't done right now then a lot of this stuff would have been lost forever.

I'm reading Tom Brown's book and just learned that Gail wanted Rhino to purchase everything in the vault in 1999 (except the masters of the original albums) but she was asking way too much so Rhino passed. Can you imagine how different the last 17 years might have looked if that had happened?


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Since I was never fond of DZ's "interpretations" of FZ's work with ZPZ, I don't prefer one of the brothers over the other. I think they are equally stupid in fighting this out in public. Maybe this behaviour has something to do with Frank's idea of education: drop out of school early and educate yourself. Probably this concept didn't work to well with the Zappa kids.


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Mr_Green_Genes wrote:
And just why would this forum here be closed?


If I were Ahmet I wouldn't be too happy about watching the family's turmoil being turned into a gossip fest where people take extreme sides against him because DZ does do the ZPZ thing.

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I hope they can hug it out..... :idea:

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BBP wrote:
If I were Ahmet I wouldn't be too happy about watching the family's turmoil being turned into a gossip fest where people take extreme sides against him because DZ does do the ZPZ thing.

Maybe, but shutting the forum down because of it would be censorship.
However shitty this forum gets, its still one of the few forums where people can say what they like, and I actually like it this way.
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And just why would this forum here be closed?


If I were Ahmet I wouldn't be too happy about watching the family's turmoil being turned into a gossip fest where people take extreme sides against him because DZ does do the ZPZ thing.

...but being unhappy is one thing, closing the forum because of this is another, totally different. That would be really childish.

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For the record, I really don't care about either Zappa boy.
I am interested in reading about copyrights, trademarks, the law.
The rest is just fun. At their expense but they sure do deserve it.

EDIT: That comes off a bit mean. What I do mean is that it hard for me to take seriously
the drama of people whom I really have no personal connection to whatsoever. I got plenty
of my own to deal with, like I am sure we all do.


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If I were Ahmet I wouldn't be too happy about watching the family's turmoil being turned into a gossip fest where people take extreme sides against him because DZ does do the ZPZ thing.

Maybe, but shutting the forum down because of it would be censorship.
However shitty this forum gets, its still one of the few forums where people can say what they like, and I actually like it this way.
TT


Well said TT. I agree.


Mr_Green_Genes wrote:
That would be really childish.


I think what they are doing in public is already childish. But that's just my opinion, and I guess it's their right to conduct themselves anyway they want.

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