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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:48 pm 
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^ Thanks, man. I've basically been thinking of that guitar performance for 4 days straight now. If Dickey Betts ever did a better solo (which did not appear on an Allman Brothers album pre 1982) please point me in the right direction. Lot of spiritual nourishment in those guitar parts.

I think I've changed my mind about B Martin. Thanks to all of you. Now I hope you all understand why I make these posts. I'm trying to see what I'm missing with some of these guys Zappa hired. What he found great about them. Like I said, it's my problem.

I've always dug Dickie Betts* solo work and the way he complimented Duane. They're dueling guitars until they're three separate, yet together sounding guitars, making three, is like FZ's guitar sculptures theory. It exists, I've heard it and so have you I suspect. :wink: 8)


DB's also a good song writer. 8)

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I like Bobby Martin.

And since we're way off topic here anyway, this is for those who have not heard the wonderful {in my opinion} song that downer is referring to. Have always loved this song!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZmwULnL62g

Great song. Reminds me of 'Melissa.'

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Philostopher wrote:
I like Bobby Martin.

And since we're way off topic here anyway, this is for those who have not heard the wonderful {in my opinion} song that downer is referring to. Have always loved this song!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZmwULnL62g

Great song. Reminds me of 'Melissa.'


I can definitely hear that in the beginning of the song. But, Dickey's guitar solo on "Bougainvillea" spiritually transcends his guitar work on "Melissa". It takes you to a higher plane.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 8:00 am 
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Here you go downer. Another Great Southern song showcasing Dickey's talents outside of the Brothers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td4WdV7B ... T0&index=2

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Scala Underdog Demo with Jamie Kime

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Two more, and I'm done. You did say to point you in that direction. :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td4WdV7B ... T0&index=2

Vassar Clements on fiddle, and the wonderful piano of Chuck Leavell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md7qo7Lb ... T0&index=6

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BFU - Stolen Moments 2014

http://youtu.be/foTevESzkLw

great improv here.

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^^^ Nice clip coevad! Nice job reigning the thread back in too. I will probably try to go if it comes near me.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:22 am 
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I'm going to watch them on Nov. 18.

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^^^ Enjoy. Looking forward to your report.

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downer mydnyte wrote:
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Bobby Martin owns Whippin' Post

That'll be a surprise to Duane Allman.
You do know what that phrase means don't you? We were talking about the quality of Bob Martin's singing - why would I suddenly care about who owned the rights to the song?. I'm not an Allman Brothers fan, they're too cheesy for me. I didn't particularly like that song before FZ took it up. Under his directorship it became something powerful and Bobby Martin nailed it.

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My_Name_Is_Fritz wrote:
I'm going to watch them on Nov. 18.



We will need a good review...take notes! Enjoy Fritz!


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My_Name_Is_Fritz wrote:
I'm going to watch them on Nov. 18.

It will be a great show, for sure. Looking forward to your review.

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Maybe I should move to Germany. The government at least has a good attitude to education.

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polydigm wrote:
downer mydnyte wrote:
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Bobby Martin owns Whippin' Post

That'll be a surprise to Duane Allman.
You do know what that phrase means don't you? We were talking about the quality of Bob Martin's singing - why would I suddenly care about who owned the rights to the song?. I'm not an Allman Brothers fan, they're too cheesy for me. I didn't particularly like that song before FZ took it up. Under his directorship it became something powerful and Bobby Martin nailed it.

You are confused. I was using "own" the way you used it. As in someone kicking ass. I was not talking about the rights to the song. I was talking about the fact that Duane Allman, who died at age 24, is the man who made Whipping Post great. Cutting edge guitar playing type stuff. Stuff that is hard to believe. Stuff that makes Bobby Martin's performance on WP sound average. (Not to mention unoriginal).

Duane Allman cheesy?? Compared to who...Bobby Martin? You've never paid attention to DA, have you? Gregg is the cheesy one but he's only one member of the band. It was Duane Allman's band. In interviews he refers to Allman bros. as "my band". He died in '71. Motorcycle wreck. I doubt you'll find anyone else in the world who would put Bobby Martin above Duane Allman on the artistic innovation/ creativity scale.

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Two more, and I'm done. You did say to point you in that direction. :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td4WdV7B ... T0&index=2

Vassar Clements on fiddle, and the wonderful piano of Chuck Leavell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md7qo7Lb ... T0&index=6

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BFU - Stolen Moments 2014

http://youtu.be/foTevESzkLw

great improv here.


Thanks for the vids! I appreciate it. Good shit.


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How often do you get to see a French Horn used in a rock concert???


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:51 am 
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Not often since entwhistle died

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:30 am 
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French Horn is an oddity in Rock for logical reasons. It was designed for lush, sweet, beautiful background harmonics or pure lonesome announcements. It doesn't have the power of a trumpet so it can't compete with electric guitar or cymbals. Everyone else has to tone it down for a French horn to shine. It is the member of the horn family that is least harsh on the unsuspecting ear. This smooth tone, especially when coupled with a soft attack time, imo, is why many consider it their favorite type of horn.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:17 am 
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Lot's have heard the Horn in rock, Beatles, Sgt, Pepper, Stones ,You can't always get what you want, Kinks ,Victoria, Pink Floyd ,Atom Heart Mother, David Bowie, Space oddity, Iron Maiden, the Nomad , check out this kidhttp://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CC0QtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DfgglJ2fH9JI&ei=JotOVJmKOsqiyATF6oGwBg&usg=AFQjCNGKpYOqulYjVuXoEvy2PatHI8WYqA&bvm=bv.77880786,d.aWw&cad=rja

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Yeah, fx can help turn french horn into a lead instrument, like Chadbourne with a windshield wiper. I'm curious what Iron Maiden song, but it looks like most on that list are fairly lightweight, as opposed to hard rock, so they have room in the score for any member of the orchestra.

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Yeah I couldn't find any shredding, that kid with the pedal was kinda cool. Like you were saying it really isn't a horn for wild shit. you don't really hear that much jazz with a horn, although there is some. trombone is one of my favs. Mainly is a jazz form. isn't it the lyricon that can plug in and do a lot of improv sounds? There is supposed to be a solo on the nomad, i listened for about 2 minutes got a headache and didn't make it to the solo, lol

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Okay Downer let's just leave it there with the rest of the world. I don't need to find anyone else in existence to chime in with any of my personal views in order to validate them. I've always been a loner and I could not give a fuck less whether anyone else feels the way I do about music or not. Bobby Martin is not a favourite FZ band member of mine and I certainly don't agree with everything FZ ever did or said, but he was a hell of a band leader with no equal in my opinion. We probably never would have heard of Bobby Martin if he hadn't been enlisted by FZ, but he made good use of his talents.

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Okay Downer let's just leave it there with the rest of the world. I don't need to find anyone else in existence to chime in with any of my personal views in order to validate them. I've always been a loner and I could not give a fuck less whether anyone else feels the way I do about music or not. Bobby Martin is not a favourite FZ band member of mine and I certainly don't agree with everything FZ ever did or said, but he was a hell of a band leader with no equal in my opinion. We probably never would have heard of Bobby Martin if he hadn't been enlisted by FZ, but he made good use of his talents.



I would be interested on your take on the French Horn, I found Arkays very sound reasoning, what say you Poly???


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Here's my take, from M*A*S*H.

http://youtu.be/oTU7WByej_I

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My_Name_Is_Fritz wrote:
I'm going to watch them on Nov. 18.

You'll be pleasantly surprised, I'm sure. :wink: 8)

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