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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:25 am 
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But Zappa Plays Zappa is Dweezil's band, not Frank's. Frank would have never let Steve Vai go on 5-10 minute wankfests like he did with ZPZ. But I'm probably being a tad bit negative, so I'm going to throw myself out the window.

*crash*

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:59 am 
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Trenddoucher: Stick your overused and stupid-sounding "and but alsos" up your ass, then stick your ass in an industrial blender. You're a bigger wanker than Steve Vai any day of the week. Five edits and your prose still wouldn't pass eight grade English class. (Make that eight edits now.) (I notice that he's up to 15 edits now, but I sure the shit ain't gonna read it again. Let's assume that he pushed it up to ninth grade flunk by now.)


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 8:23 am 
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And let me say I'm a fan of Steve Vai. It's just sometimes he can go on a bit with the wheedle-whee.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 8:48 am 
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The Head ZFT Cheerleader Ambassador-at-Large and Most Negative FZ Forum Member of All Time is back! ugh

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:27 am 
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Wait a minute...
Trendy posted at 7:49am (in my time zone anyway)
Then when Pope Jim commented that Trendy had edited his post 5 times, it was 10:59am, Three Hours and Ten Minutes Later. So, in the first 3 hours after posting, Trendy had edited his post 5 times. After that, it was edited an additional 10 times.
If you need to modify your post 10 more times after you've polished it 6 times in the first 3 hours, you should probably just make a new post. This makes it clear that Trendy has no concern for the replies to his posts because how can any comment remain relevent when the original gets edited over and over again?
And sheesh, its not like the end result is a good post. :P

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:19 am 
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Trendmonger wrote:
Flo & Eddie had seemingly overvalued themselves. Yes OVERVALUED.


And you? Have you not overvalued yourself?
Flo and Eddie at least contributed to Zappa's music. They were in the band. How about you? Your writing is of the most mundane kind.You are unaware and incapable of the essential powers of rhythm. You're possessed of a solipsism that has led you to think these words you post are worth expressing.

Flo and Eddie and Ray White were on stage performing with Zappa. You will never be.


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I do not have much time.

You have nothing but time. You just spent 3 hours editing a post that ultimately says nothing.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:29 am 
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We need a 24h Trendy watch who can make a screenshot as soon as he posts something, so we can compare them.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:35 pm 
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downer mydnyte wrote:
Trendmonger wrote:
Flo & Eddie had seemingly overvalued themselves. Yes OVERVALUED.


And you? Have you not overvalued yourself?
Flo and Eddie at least contributed to Zappa's music. They were in the band. How about you? Your writing is of the most mundane kind.You are unaware and incapable of the essential powers of rhythm. You're possessed of a solipsism that has led you to think these words you post are worth expressing.

Flo and Eddie and Ray White were on stage performing with Zappa. You will never be.


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I do not have much time.

You have nothing but time. You just spent 3 hours editing a post that ultimately says nothing.

Firstly,

I shared the same stage with Frank Zappa with 4 million people watching.
Frank dug what I was doing on a very high level.
His words on the event were enough for me.
Not only was I honoured by Frank's comemntary on the show but we had the chance to speak of the Letterman show we both were guests at backstage at The Pier in 1984.

Secondly,
Frank edited his work. The post and edits were done quickly before I even had time for a cup of coffee.
In all honesty my reply to Kaptains misguided commentary did not even get the icing.
As noted it was a snack.
These edits, I left the house for a few hours, came back and did some more edits.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:50 pm 
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Your silly story about FZ and you smooching on Letterman again?

You posts aren't "work".

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Trendmonger wrote:
I shared the same stage with Frank Zappa with 4 million people watching.
Frank dug what I was doing on a very high level.

Yet you were not invited to join his band. F&E were in the fucking band. Full time members. They were obviously at an even higher level than you. When you attempt to diminish their contributions to Zappa' music, it does not speak well for you.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:05 pm 
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"While Frank assembled some pretty good musicians over the years of his far too brief time of recording there is no doubt that the Ensemble Modern is the finest bunch of humans that have ever assembled in a Psuedo Wagon Train Formation."

"Dweezil is not the first to pull of Franks music on Guitar with perfection in a Chops sense but in all honesty as fine as Dweezils CHOPS are his performance goes way beyound CHOPS.

The performance of the FZ Medley goes way beyound 100% perfection of NOTES & CHOPS. "

"Dweezil has split the Atom here and while he very much has the same linear DNA as in the family sense he has put the DNA of what defines a Frank Zappa performance in the FZ Medley. "

"My complaint is that far too many fans have not had the opportunity to have a higher understanding."

"I must admit it is fun writing here but at times many of the minds have little to no clue as to what the deal is."

"I have never claimed to be any authority figure and do not attempt or have interest in gaining such statture."


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Hm. Complaint is correctly spelled, but stature isn't.

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"My complaint is that far too many fans have not had the opportunity to have a higher understanding."

Because of unjustifiably high ticket prices?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:35 pm 
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I found the other Trendmonger post that indicates just what kind of level headed fan he is:

"His stage presence is beyond belief. There is only one individual who has ever had that potential for the stage. Some people might think that Elvis shaking his hips during the `50s is where it`s at. To me, Ahmet Zappa is the real deal. The lights could be off, and he is shining 1,000,000 lumens."


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Hi,

Nice interview, but I think that Dweezil is a bit caught ... and he is not capable of getting away from the adoration and acceptance in order to do music.

His desire to make things a little more "rock" oriented, is probably a better thing all around as some of the things they were doing, at least during the "Return to Forever" tour 2011, when they were totally blown out of the stage by a vastly superior band ... that at least believed in their work. The ZPZ part of the show, was tired, boring, and not exciting, and I think that it was way too scattered between trying to be cute and cool with jazz things, and also show off ... I got the rock licks! Next to "Return to Forever" your rock licks are cheap, stupid and bad music! And Frank would not have stood for it at all!

In my way of seeing things, it is not about the rock, the jazz or the bullshit ... you either do it or you don't ... and it doesn't matter if you take 4 parts and they are combined in one instrument or 1 part played by 7 instruments (wouldn't that be a GAS to do and have fun with!)

I would actually like to do a cartoon'ish thing for Dweezil on the stage ... it might fall flat, or it might be silly, but it would be in the neighborhood of Fantasia (Disney's) or Allegro Non Troppo (the Italian version), and it might add some fun to the band and show ...but I'm not sure that he finds it humerous, as it can ... since he takes the music way too seriously.

Good luck, is all I can say ... I think he has to start doing his own work, and if it stands up, it will help the father's work stand out even more, but I do not think that Dweezil's work is as energetic, and crazy and good, as his dad's was. Most sons or daughters never were, either!


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downer mydnyte wrote:
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I shared the same stage with Frank Zappa with 4 million people watching.
Frank dug what I was doing on a very high level.

Yet you were not invited to join his band. F&E were in the fucking band. Full time members. They were obviously at an even higher level than you. When you attempt to diminish their contributions to Zappa' music, it does not speak well for you.


What does not speak well for you is your failure to understand that I applaud Flo & Eddie's contributions to FZs music when they were in FZs band.
FZs canon speaks for itself and I thoroughly enjoy Flo & Eddies contributions to FZs work. It was clear that is my stance and that I also enjoy their solo career.

Simply put Flo & Eddie were in no way professionally prepared for their opportunity with Zappa Plays Zappa.
They made themselves to be a valued commodity. One has to wonder why they were not part of the initial 2006 shows.
At that time I think they overvalued themselves. Then they finally get another opportunity. Five years later they failed at the rehearsals and they failed at the live show.
They proved they overvalued themselves.

I never auditioned nor did I intend to audition for FZs band.
My little part was a brief moment in time where FZs words speak for what it is.


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Moshkito wrote:
Hi,

Nice interview, but I think that Dweezil is a bit caught ... and he is not capable of getting away from the adoration and acceptance in order to do music.

His desire to make things a little more "rock" oriented, is probably a better thing all around as some of the things they were doing, at least during the "Return to Forever" tour 2011, when they were totally blown out of the stage by a vastly superior band ...


I don't know where you were educated in the music of Frank Zappa but a variety of sized ensembles are what FZ worked with throughout his touring career. The touring schedule Dweezil has had since 2006, Return To Forever has never had a schedule anywhere near what Zappa Plays Zappa has achieved. Both in the number of dates over time and the magnitude of musicality.

To even think being blown away by Return To Forever, from my perspective that is a total joke. The body of work created by Return To Forever, that body of work is minuscule to that of Frank Zappa and what Zappa Plays Zappa has done with the composers work. It may be your opinion, but I've seen the musicians individually and as Return To Forever enough times live to well understand that it was a tour where a communion was more at hand than any blowing off the stage. I applaud Return To Forever and Zappa Plays Zappa for making it all happen.


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"A variety of sized ensembles", hahahahaha

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:13 pm 
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I have the luck of never getting caught up in the Trendy thing. Really, I don't think I've ever read an entire post of his. I'm not sure why, but it serves me well. I am truly blessed.

Back to the interview. I don't ever remember Ike saying he talked to Frank on his death bed. I thought he said that near the end of Frank's life, Frank told him to keep the music alive. In any case, how can Dweezil possibly know what Frank said to Ike, unless Ike and Frank were never alone together in the last weeks or months of his life. Just saying.

I've also noticed that Dweezil talks now about assigning parts and making some changes in the compositions, to fit the band. I'm glad he's honest about that, finally. Earlier on, he insisted that his was the only band that played everything exactly as FZ did. That never seemed true, to me.

Based on many things that Dweezil has said over the years, I think he's spends way too much time whining and looking for fault in others.

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Gary all you needed to do was to give a link to the Flo and Eddie part of the show,but apparently you won't because "it's not worthy of posting on such a perfect site as DZW".That's the crux of that biscuit.Instead you posted a few short clips from the show,which you filmed.Not one with F & E.So Gary do you think we'd just take your word for it? This from back in 2011.Hey since then,maybe they took your advice and practiced being more in tune with the composers intent.Just like real professionals Gary. :lol:
Ronny's Noomies wrote:
Based on many things that Dweezil has said over the years, I think he's spends way too much time whining and looking for fault in others.

..and here I thought that was your job Gary. :shock:
Moshkito wrote:
Hi,Nice interview, but I think that Dweezil is a bit caught ... and he is not capable of getting away from the adoration and acceptance in order to do music.
Good luck, is all I can say ... I think he has to start doing his own work, and if it stands up, it will help the father's work stand out even more, but I do not think that Dweezil's work is as energetic, and crazy and good, as his dad's was. Most sons or daughters never were, either!

An honest opinion.Now what's wrong with that Gary? We know the truth....don't we? :wink:
I try and encourage folks to listen to FZ'S music or DZpZ rendition of the same music,not berate them for not seeing/listening to it my way 24/7.Gary,you drive people away from Franks music,always over explaining in that Gail speak that no one but yourself can decifer.Your a good guy at heart,of this I'm sure! You just don't take critisisms very well and you certainly don't learn from your mistakes.I'm not out to get you,I don't care that much.If you'd try and talk with your own wording,you just might make a good point now and then.As it is now,anywhere you post seems to bring out the worst in people.Are they all wrong? Just something to think about,before you reply next time.For the love of Frank and his music,give 'er a try.What could it hurt? You seem to be your own worst enemy,ya know? BTW,I know not to lend Ike a dime if I want to see it again! Thanx for the heads up anyway,I appreciate it. :wink:
Peace,fellow ZappaFreak!

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It must have been a traumatic experience, when FZ caught him in his underpants on Letterman. That caused some serious mental problems obviuosly. Very sad.

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On the bus?

Right, I had to stop reading on the bus, because I got sick.

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It was sort of interesting to read this thread on the bus. Then I got sick, had to stop.

On the bus?

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What a pointless discussion!

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