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Hey, Buffalo, I'm a Buddhist. Fuck you, and fuck Santorum too.

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I didn't know the people of Buffalo read this thread.

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Your right about this age border and how it has moved overtime depending on what society and in what era we are looking at. Does an 18 year old that sleeps with a 16 year old deserve to be a registered sex offender, I say absolutely not, have people in their 20's had sex with teenagers, it happened often in the 60's and the 70's. has someone slept with a 14 year old or possibly younger thinking that person was older, it happens some youngsters look very mature, check ID's. In most cases a 12, 13, or 14 year old is obviously not of the age of consent. When someone is in their late 30's, 40's, 50's, and in Roy’s case 60's...there is a huge yuk factor attached to this behavior, at this point you are a Pedophile. There is no longer that grey area of “am I to old for this person” as there is with 20 year olds. There is no longer the Rock Star who has young girls throwing themselves at you and in the heat of the moment you have slept with a very mature looking 16 year old. There is no consenting of any type that is taking place. There is an old man who is molesting a child under 14 years of age while at a family members home, who has been caught doing this at least twice before that we know of and we know as in many things, that the crime is usually committed far more than one gets caught. I’m sorry there is no justification for this behavior, he is no where near the grey area, he left that zip code a long time ago….yuk factor to the extreme…

Perfectly stated, Plook. Thank you.

Ya had to go n agree with him brainpang, drag. Cuz, while Plook is welcome to his opinion, I think it sidesteps the bulk of my content. His reading is sort of an Everyday Justification to the topic, whereas in my analysis, I'm looking for more of a definitional view of the topic. "Yuk Factor" doesn't really help much and the fact that there are actual May-December relationships, it is at best non-entirely-useful and at worst insulting to those who partake (on the legal side of young-old relationships, not under age of consent).
I'm not petitioning for a lowering of consent limit, but I am looking for more of a definition for numeric age choice than "Yuk".
The best I can come up with is citizenship. If we want to arbitrarily link consent to the age when a child is no longer bound to the parent, I understand that from a politically convenient point of view, but biologically, it is still arbitrary. Many females would be both physically and intellectually responsible enough to consent to sex for a long time before then. Is there an age that isn't arbitrary?

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18 seems fair. If you're mature enough to vote and go to war, you're mature enough to take part in a biological process that could possibly make you responsible for another living being or could possibly leave you with a terminal disease.

Don't forget to register to fuck

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I apologize if I was obtuse by using the “Yuk”, may I expand on the various age differences. 18 is the legal age of consent, if you are in the US of A I would always keep this in mind since a registered sex offender is pretty much screwed for life, check ID's.

As to age differences I know couples who have gone down this road, I think the difference is much more subtle up to 10 years. When you get above say 15 years you have the couple becoming very disjointed in looks and health, the rich and movie stars can pull this off since they have money to do tune up’s. The regular folks end up with one person looking old and feeling old and their partner is still young and wants to have fun, they drift apart. You get into these 20 + years difference and this stage hits sooner and I gets sort of sad.

You get into these 30+ year differences and it just comes down to Yuk. I know Hugh Heffner’s shtick is young Playmates, but it has just gotten yuky and anyone with that kind of difference has to know it looks that way. But if you can pull it off as far as I’m concerned two consenting adults’ have fun, who gives a shit what others think.

Anyone trying to develop relationships with High School kids that is not very close to that age is asking for trouble, leave these young people who are not fully cooked alone to become mature adults without some old fuck messing them up.

Plook, you seem like an OK guy, but I think we speak different languages. I'm talking theory of government, you're talking application on the dating scene. No offense meant, I just think we're not talking about the same thing.
BTW, good call on going to see Tributosaurus. I used to work with Matt Spiegel years ago, both at Sporting News Radio and at live shows when he was in a funk band called "Brother Brother" that he was in with... his brother.

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Some good debate, but I thought Roy was blatantly scrogging young gals for fun and the idea that he was busted for a loving relationship is in correct.

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We've been getting,on the news cycle,around here the story of a 41 year old with an 18year old.They do play up the "yuk" factor but in the end,I would say she's of the age of consent,love is hard to find and she also has plenty of livin' left to do,should she change her mind in a couple of years.We wouldn't be talking about this if it was an 18 year old man with a cougar,would we? The judicial age to me should be 16 for both sexes.I'd like to think our young people who go off to war at 18,at least had a couple of good years getting laid and growing up.Rather than getting killed before you've had the chance to experience some love life! Thats a tough one to pin down Arkay,as when I was under 25 I would get laid before asking for ID.One time I asked her last name.Turns out the Sherriffs favorite niece was under me!(actually on top) That and I worked with her Dad! Shit was I scared.Apparently I wasn't the only one and there where no diseases that a shot of anti-bodies wouldn't cure.That was back then and nobody got hurt or had to get shots.But that 3 months to 16 and acts/looks 20 is some scary stuff! They could of put me away for awhile.So I say 16.Thats where it's at in California law anyway.That and most all young women of that age have a drivers license.So no ID,no me! That could be one way to go for the youngsters of today.

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This is a tough topic to write on 'cause no matter what one sez it is such an emotional issue that it can easily be read wrong. That's why I wasn't bothered by YUK, really. I myself didn't want to compose a paragraph on the subject so I was relieved to see it done by another.

Yet, I don't understand what is going on here. Who says young folk can't have sex, with those in their age group? There's no law against that, right?

I don't know about other countries, but, here in Canada, there is a "close-in-age exception," meaning 14- and 15-year-olds can have sex with someone who is less than five years older.

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I posted one joke and now I get bombarded with debating the reasonableness of this episode.

1) consensual sex with kids under 14 is NOT OK unless you are >= 2 years older

2) rape of anyone at any age is NOT OK

Please. Stop trying to defend someone whose music you enjoy. I love the music and theatrics but the fact remains, what he did is heinous. PERIOD.

Now I will go back to enjoying "Prelude To The Afternoon Of A Sexually Aroused Gas Mask"

Maybe you should check your equation symbol?

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Unless you are less than or equal to two years older. Excuse me. Point should have been quite clear.

Oh, those poor 14-y.o. Justin Bieber fans...

Seriously. When I was 12 I celeb-crushed on somebody who was 48 years my senior. He's dead now.
There will always be exceptions to the rule who will be punished by whoever set the standard.

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That doesn't mean the celeb that is being crushed on can't keep their shit together. If you're such a hot goddamned celebrity, fuck some other hot goddamned celebrity who is old enough.

All I know is I raised a bunch of Women and there is some sweet talkin scum out there that doesn't give a shit who's life gets ruin, as far as I am concerned consenting adults can do what that want even if it is Yuky, but let the kids find there way in there own age group. Are there exceptions, there always are, is what Roy did wrong, I said it before and I will say it again "Indefensable" a violent crime against a child. If it happened in my house the next crime committed would proably be a murder.

Arkay - I really enjoyed that Tributosaurus show I would really like to see them do XTC, I must publicly thank PIB again for taking me and all the really nice folks in Chicago and PIB's Bro that came to the show, really good and smart guy. It was fun!...

Yesterday I made another attempt to listen to FZ:OZ. I got frustrated. It was NOT because of the death of Andre Lewis. And it was NOT because of Roy's recent development. It was because of Roy's bass playing. He is the the main disturbing factor (besides Nappy's tooting) on this recording. He is holding the group back. Not because he is a mexican, but because his bass playing really is NOT good here.

Th.

His fingers were probably tired from fondling some Aussie 12-year-old

Thank you Captain.

Sending people like Roy to jail - as opposed to a psychiatric institution - is short-sighted. It's the government and the mainstream of society avoiding their own responsibilities - which is to investigate these perversions, and in doing so to acknowledge that they may have something to answer for in terms of the making of these perverts.

Sending a pedophile to jail, not to "Broadmoor" or the American equivalent, pretends that pedophilia - or any other kind of propensity to wildly destructive violent actions - is something that any adult could just choose to do, if they've been mentally led down the wrong path.

The truth - as every police psychologist will tell you - is that such violent tendencies are immovably set in place early in life, almost always before a person even reaches puberty. Perhaps partly by genetics, but definitely by circumstances.

90+% percent of pedophiles were themselves subjected to either sexual abuse as children, or some other kind of physical abuse (maybe a kind that's not recognized as abuse and instead is encouraged within the education and/or medical care sectors, hint hint?!)

When these experiences have warped their minds, they have a choice whether to act on their destructive impulses (and "act on" does not mean the same thing as "acknowledge/admit to", censors please note).

The trouble is, the stress induced by the effort of repressing those destructive impulses can eventually get too much to bear. And that's what happened to Roy - remember by the time his first offenses took place he wasn't so young anymore and had had enough time to get sick of fighting what was in his mind.

Dude your smoking crack, you sound like those idiots that think they can reform Gay's to straight...these guys are beyond help, by the time they act it, is like someone choosing to committ a murder, they have left their moral compass behind...and please do tell your hint hint, I gotten hear this crap...

...lock up your child abusers.

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I totally agree! But while we have some to study,why don't we find the cause? Whatever it takes to stop it! Castration by a drunken Micheal J. Fox with JP assisting,if neccesary.But stop it.I'm not talkin' coddle and head shrink,I'm talkin' poke and prod kinda study! Not zit on zee couch and tell me why you think you have ziz problem shit.More,hey so you like to do this? How's it feel when someone does the same thing to you? Enter the cattle prod.I ain't talkin no gentel therapy shit now.Gitmo style,just the facts,kinda,geSSZZZZZZZTalt. We need to find the root cause and kill it.
Roy's the one in the middle,right? Even that looks too comfy for him!

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