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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:58 am 
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Yeah...if you have a gun "please control it"!


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 Post subject: Gun Reform
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^^^^This is why I prefer the term "gun reform".


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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
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... what do you do with people who have perfect track records that refuse? ...

Technically, if they refuse, they no longer have a perfect record. I guess the same applies to them as to anyone without a perfect track record who refuses.

Note: I realise this is from way back, but I was revisiting the first post to check the motivation for starting the thread and noticed the irony in the quoted comment.

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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:46 pm 
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Carolyn Meadows [the current head of the NRA] is a piece of work. I just find it very difficult to understand how stupid you have to be, to buy her arguments about the validity of her position on guns. She attacks Australian gun laws with false arguments and misdirection.

1. Australian gun laws are becoming more and more unpopular.

Her argument is based purely on anecdotal evidence from her visit to Australia in 2018.
Nick O'Malley, in The Sydney Morning Herald, wrote:
... [Meadows] travelled across Australia and visited small towns and cities as well as Sydney, Port Arthur and Canberra where she says she met with MPs whose pro-regulation views were at odds with people who lived outside cities, who she said were "very pro-gun"

That's a tricky sentence, because if you take out "she met with MPs" from that sentence she actually is making a blanket statement that "people who lived outside cities ... were very pro-gun", which is an inference by her beyond the people she met with who lived outside cities. Her work does not only not stand up to academic rigour, it's as loose and gnarly with the truth as you can get.

Heck, I've lived in Australia for nearly sixty years and have travelled often to the country and on the contrary, have not met many people who were pro-gun. So I reckon my anecdotal evidence is stronger than hers, but I'm not using that as an argument, just to make a point. It's easy to say and keep in mind that she went on a promoted tour of Australia, so it's not a stretch to guess that pro-gun people would have come out of the woodwork especially to meet with her. My visits to the countryside were as a stranger, so my anecdotal evidence is more random; her visits were promoted as visits by the head of the NRA. Do the math.

So, aside from the point that the vast majority of the Australian population lives in the metropolitan areas of various cities, these people who "lived outside cities" are only amongst the ones she personally met. Essential Research, whose researchers are members of the Australian Market and Social Research Society found the following.
Nick O'Malley, in The Sydney Morning Herald, wrote:
In total 62 per cent of respondents believed they were "about right" and 25 per cent thought they were too weak. Only seven per cent thought they are too strict.

That last figure is around about the percentage of humans born with some form of psychosis - draw your own conclusion from that. Also, the hunting of animals is not really something you can practically do in the city, unless you're really bat shit crazy, so the fact that gun nuts probably spend a lot of their time in the country is not surprising, but they are a small minority.

2. What happened in Australia, confiscating guns from law-abiding citizens, made no difference to their crime rate.

This is just a straw man argument.
Nick O'Malley, in The Sydney Morning Herald, wrote:
Associate professor Philip Alpers, director of GunPolicy.org at the University of Sydney’s school of public health, which tracks and compares gun laws around the world, says Ms Meadow’s characterisation of the effect of the laws in Australia misses the point.

"No study shows that the 1996 gun laws reduced 'the crime rate' — burglary, arson, rape, assault and every other crime — but nobody claimed it would," he explains.

"The laws targeted mass shootings, and we went from 14 of those in a decade to none in the next two decades. The risk of an Australian dying by gunshot dropped by more than half and hasn’t risen since, but the NRA doesn’t want Americans to know that."

3. If someone is bent on violent crime, only direct intervention will stop them. Bad guys in Australia still use guns and knives.

This one's a real doozie. What is she actually saying, with evidence, in that sentence? These people just talk bollocks with no regard to proper research. How about how many "bad guys" still use guns since the legislation compared to how many before? How much harder is it for "bad guys" to get guns now compared to before? And knives? How much easier is it to kill someone with a gun than it is to kill someone with a knife?

In 2018, the US had 4.96 intentional homicides per 100,000 population, whereas in Australia and New Zealand combined, there were 0.89. Again, if you want to compare Australia post legislation to the US, do the math.

4. Banning, confiscating and restricting the rights of law-abiding people never works. It has been demonstrated throughout history that when you disarm people the result is a country of subjects, not citizens.

Here she's just blurring every issue together. We're actually talking about guns and there is much, very clear evidence to indicate the connection between the ready availability of guns and high homicide rates. A general discussion about "[b]anning, confiscating and restricting the rights of law-abiding people never works" is just another straw man and by saying "never works" it's clearly false. What about the right to drive a car at 100 mph through a narrow metropolitan street?

She talks in absolutes, without any real evidence of the validity of her claims.

Article By Nick O'Malley in the Sydney Morning Herald

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 Post subject: Gun Reform
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New York attorney general files lawsuit to dissolve the National Rifle Association

New York Attorney General Letitia James announced she will attempt to dissolve the National Rifle Association, accusing its senior leadership of violating laws governing non-profit groups and using millions from the organization's reserves for personal use and tax fraud.

In a news release Thursday morning, James, a Democrat, alleged that current and former NRA leadership "instituted a culture of self-dealing mismanagement" benefiting themselves, family, friends and favored vendors, leading the organization to lose more than $63 million in three years.

The NRA and the NRA Foundation, a separate entity, were also sued Thursday in a separate case by Washington, DC, Attorney General Karl Racine, who alleges the foundation's board allowed the NRA to raid the foundation's reserves in order to address the NRA's cash flow problems, and fund the lavish expenses of its leadership.

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 Post subject: Gun Reform
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 Post subject: Gun Reform
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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
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So is the NRA going to get behind prosecution of the officers in the Breonna Taylor debacle? Private citizens who owned guns shooting at people who broke into their house?


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 Post subject: Re: Gun Control?
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Federal court strikes down California's ban on high-capacity magazines

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A federal appeals court on Friday struck down California's ban on large-capacity magazines (LCMs), labeling it a violation of the Second Amendment in a consequential 2-1 split decision ruling.

The 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals maintained that the state's ban on magazines holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition breached the core right of law-abiding citizens to self-defend.

The majority said that the ammunition is "typically used for lawful purposes, and are not 'unusual arms' that would fall outside the scope of the Second Amendment."

"Armed self-defense is a fundamental right rooted in tradition and the text of the Second Amendment," Judge Kenneth Lee wrote for the panel's majority, consisting of himself and Judge Consuelo Callahan.

more here :arrow: https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/14/politics/california-federal-court-second-amendment-high-capacity-magazines/index.html


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unbelievable.....

Can't defend yourself with ten bullets, maybe you need to put in more time at the range.....

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 Post subject: Gun Reform
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. . . because murder is so much better than protesting.

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A white shooter was allowed to leave a Kenosha protest murder scene to sleep in his bed in another state.
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^ to the point of murder, eh?


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