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First the T-Shirt<br>Image<br>Then Suddenly<br><br>A concept for a Rock Opera with Dried Muffin Remnants  of <br>Flower Punk & Turning Again Spinner Dogma Ideology <br><br>I could see Dweezil, Ahmet & Terry Gilliam working on a play for broadway.<br><br>Which more specifically portrays:<br> <br>DOPE: YOU ARE WHAT YOU USE <br>AFFECTS ON THE ROCK & ROLL FAMILY UNIT<br> <br>Sort of A Cocktail Lounge Act. Bring The Wife & Kids To Broadway . A Brodway Musical that shows Cause & Affect of Drug Use of Rock & Roll Stars.<br><br>Let Broadway Become that Narcotics Officer who came to the schools when I was a kid that said the grass leads to the pills leads to the needdle that leads to the grave.<br><br>Go Ahead Broadway make My Day. I Dare ya.<br><br>Each story in the Rock Opera would use a Rock & Roller of your choice making where that story or scene makes a cocktail. Give each cocktail a name. Sell them at the consession stands. If You've seen Spamalot and thought Novelty SPAM, Coconuts or Rabbit Dolls with Big Pointed Teeth was cool just wait until you see DOPE YOU ARE WHAT YOU USE.<br><br>Brian Swims <br><br>Comes with a glass that looks like a swimming pool, with a dead man doll floating face down, and  a Chinesse Cocktail Umbrella.<br><br>Come up with a List.<br><br>You include mesurements of Trendy Chemical Amusement Aids and show the negative affects on the work that was supposed to get done. <br><br>Sort of a Cocktail Recipie Song Book. <br><br>You could include any Rock & Roller who missed shows,  messsed up tours and recording sessions, destroyed bands or wound up dead, all due to the use of Trendy Chemical Amusement Aids.  The list is so long that the scene list could change just like a Zappa Tour.<br>With costs so high on Broadway I'd suggest 50 scenes that could be selectred from on any given night with a show of 30 songs 2 acts 15 songs each act.<br><br>Three to Five scenes per each Stupidest Band Member You've NEver Seen In Your Life   <br><br>That's a story of 6 to 10 Stupidest Band Members You've NEver Seen In Your Life   <br><br>The Last Act Always ends wioth 2 of either Jimmy  Hendrix, Jim Morrison or Jerry Garcia. Just like the Movie Clue. Yopu are in suspense not knowing the last Stupidest Band Member You've NEver Seen In Your Life <br><br>Look at The Rolling Stones Towards the end wasn't Brian Jones just in the corner somewhere. What a sad waste of talent and a tragic ending. How did  Brian get in that pool? Hmm sounds fishy. <br><br>http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/celebrity/brian_jones/<br><br>Was Brian actually all there before he was fired from the band he created. <br><br>And what ever happened to Sid Barret of Pink Floyd. Now if he was still around just maybe Floyd would have been interesting after Animals. Now I know Sid is Alive and I wish him well but musicians with severe drug probles do not belong in any official Zappa band.<br><br>Any given Rock & Roller who wasted away on the thin ice of a new day, just what if the stayed around for a few more years, you know, stayed off the drugs, wow. <br><br>Taking Drugs Is Your Life & The Talents You Posess Are On Thin Ice.<br><br>They should call Heroine Thin Ice, <br><br>Fuck that Black Tar Shit try this New Stuff Thin Ice. <br><br>Mick Taylor was a great blues guy for that band but Brian was the one who started that band. Once Mick & Keith took over the Rolling Stones really took a turn. Sometimes good, sometimes bad but Brian had creative talent that went to waste.  <br><br>Some artsits have used drugs where they have stated in extremely limited use, a drug like LSD helped them with there creativity but even Allen Ginsburg knew that drugs should only be used with extreme caution and on a very limited basis.<br><br>AS a social or creative aid I don't support drug use on any level. Society should in no way be a Brave New World or a THX1138.<br><br>Now if you have an illness certain drugs should be legalized and I do support that but Drugs as a way of life is not something I prescribe to. I'd be teh first voter to pull the lever on a federal law that legalizes drug use for medical reasons. I'd be the first voter to pull the lever to legalize the death penalty if you kill someone while driving under the influence. Anyone who drives a Motor Vehicle is driving a weapon. I would cut some slack on someone driving A Straight Story John Deer going 5MPH through Wisconsin but I'd still mandate the use caution for all Motor Vehicles.  <br><br><br>I guess some people just need to be self medicated or to actually think they are being creative. Just by seeign how many peopel die from drunk drivers shows you how much someone under the influence cares about themselves or anyone else. I see people all the time on the way home from work pulling over rolling a joint liting up and smoking while driving. That alone shoudl be 1 year in jail. You want to smoke pot in your home great but not on the road. So Many Potheads brain cells are Burnt Toast.<br><br>For many Drugs are like The American Express Card. They Don't Leave Home Without It.<br><br>We've All Smoked Carl Zappa's Gym Sock but you gotta try da new shit.<br><br>Try Smoking Carl Malden's Nose <br><br>DOPE YOU ARE WHAT YOU USE<br>Oh , He's Not With Us Anymore..............<br>Image<br>[sub]Brian Jones Rest in Peace[/sub]

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all that sounded very catholic moral and as so it's filled with<br>a non cientific attitude,<br>like what's good and what's bad,<br>there are people whom should never use any kind of drug<br>including alcohol, compulsive eating, compulsive working or compulsive exercise<br>it's totally ridiculous to react to the adiction whatever it is<br>with a moral attitude<br>that's what the mental retarded assholes from the DEA do<br>and that doesn't help for nothing<br>like in the dry law days that only helps to reinforce the<br>narcotrafic and the mafia and doesn't help to understand<br>what the adiction illness is all about<br>drug use is a sympthom not a cause<br>it's very different to have a group where you pay the bills for the musicians<br>and it's very legitime to throw away any member who is fucking up your work and wasting your money<br>but it's not for sure that syd barret would have done any better <br>not the same about hendrix or tommy bolin<br>anyway,  as i said, drug use is a symptom not a cause<br>the real cause is on social illness, hereditary and family disfunction factors<br>there are people who can drink or smoke grass without developing any<br>adiction,<br>it's not the drugs, it's the persons and their backgroung<br>any other attitude only reinforces the tabooes and and myths<br>and doesn't help for nothing<br>same with tobbaco<br>making anything forbiden is totally stupid <br>there are people in the goverments of all the world who help develope<br>laws and are involved in narcotrafic<br>same as there are people who want abortion to be forbiden<br>and are owners of prostibules and make money with it being forbiden<br>instead of legalising it and regulating it<br>not everyone that smokes pot is gonna and up using crack<br>anyhow, ones someone gets to the chemical adicting substabces<br>like nicotine, cocaine, alcohol or heroin, they are dependant to that substance, pot doesn't develope chemical adiction, it's psycological,<br>check in the cientific side, not on the moral side, that's for assholes.

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Personally, I don't think occasional pot smoking is any worse than drinking a couple of beers. I don't do it myself anymore, but I don't care if others do. As far as I'm concerned, they might as well legalize it. I don't think excessive chronic toking is very healthy, but neither is excessive drinking.<br><br>I'm not sure about hard dope, though... I've seen people do some really nasty stuff under the influence, and a couple of guys I went to high school with pretty much tossed away their lives on dope.

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[quote author=Studebaker link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=0#3 date=03/11/06 at 07:05:17]Personally, I don't think occasional pot smoking is any worse than drinking a couple of beers. I don't do it myself anymore, but I don't care if others do. As far as I'm concerned, they might as well legalize it. I don't think excessive chronic toking is very healthy, but neither is excessive drinking.<br><br>I'm not sure about hard dope, though... I've seen people do some really nasty stuff under the influence, and a couple of guys I went to high school with pretty much tossed away their lives on dope.[/quote]<br><br>when people act stupid uder the influence of drugs is 'cause they<br>are bringing out all the hate they allready had inside before even<br>tasting any addicting substance<br>i have saw people whom are addicted to exercise<br>(you know, after certain amount of exercise, runing for ex.<br>you liberate dopamines in your bodie wich have the same chemical structure<br>of the heroin) and the day they doesn't run certain miles and have their<br>dosis of dopamines they can act like assholes, hit their wives and children<br>or whatever, just the same as and heroin addict without their dosis,<br>there are known symthoms in the addictive personality no matter<br>wherever thay are compulsive eaters, workaholics or crack smokers,<br>however workaholics are putted in a pedestal and venered like saints.<br>

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Yeah, I agree, there are often underlying psychology issues that cause people to become addicted to alcohol, drugs, work, exercising etc. <br><br>However, some drugs are just highly addictive substances themselves, and I don't think we should legalize crack or PCP or other stuff that would cause anyone to become addicted pretty instantly. It's pretty hard to fulfill a meaningful role in society when you're zonked out on crack or heroin 24/7. But IMO hardcore addicts shouldn't be treated like criminals, but rather like people with an illness who need help.

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agree stu<br>when someone gets to that stage<br>they are already chemical addicted<br>they should be threated as ill persons and have <br>goverment places wher they can get the controled substance while they manage their problem<br>that help not to spred aids and other illness<br>instead of seeing it as a moral problem and making it forbiden

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Amen to keeping religion away from health. There are practical social reasons for avoiding drug abuse that are far more tangible than abstract notions of right and wrong. I'm mainly in favour of legalisation so that the money saved on unsuccessfully policing the illegal traffic on drugs can be spent on helping people with drug problems. And it's not just addiction, how many fatal overdoses are due to backyard concoctions? How many people have died just taking one so called ecstasy tab for fun, or ended up with brain damage or epilepsy, from drugs that were concocted in some illegal drugs factory?

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[quote author=polydigm link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=0#7 date=03/11/06 at 17:14:38]... And it's not just addiction, how many fatal overdoses are due to backyard concoctions? How many people have died just taking one so called ecstasy tab for fun, or ended up with brain damage or epilepsy, from drugs that were concocted in some illegal drugs factory?[/quote]<br>I'm with you there, p.d. I personally did acid only twice in my life, and it fucked me up for DECADES. I very occasionally still get little flashes out of the blue, and I swear that I see the world physically a little differently to the way I used to - almost two-and-two-thirds dimensionally if you see what I mean, a little bit flat and not the full 3. I haven't touched one drop of alcohol since I was about 22, for that very reason. When you're a kid - I was 13 years old at the time - do you buy your stuff from your local respectable hallucinogen chemist? Of course not - you buy it from any tosshead that's offering, and you have absolutely no idea what you're ingesting. Besides which, 13 is a very dumb age to do something like that anyway, what with all the 'natural' chemicals rushing through you at the time.<br><br>And the thing that never fails to piss me off when I hear it is the one about "Oh, it's only a bit of smoke-dope - not the hard stuff." Now that might be true for the lucky 90% or whatever of the population, but I've personally known people who have done nothing more than puffed on one or two spliffs and become seriously and permanently disturbed as a result. The undeniable truth is that you have NO idea how you're going to be affected until you've taken ANY type of drug - and for the unlucky few who can't turn the clock back, it's too late.

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And whenever the Government declares War on something you'd better go for cover, fast -- it's only the War part of it you're going to get.<br><br>But if it's the multi-billion dollar *SPAM* firms that push good drugs during prime time TV we should know it's solely with our best interests that they do so -- nothing like $900 million here and $3 or $4 or $10 billion there.<br><br>--Bat

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[quote author=Studebaker link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=0#3 date=03/11/06 at 07:05:17]Personally, I don't think occasional pot smoking is any worse than drinking a couple of beers. I don't do it myself anymore, but I don't care if others do. As far as I'm concerned, they might as well legalize it. I don't think excessive chronic toking is very healthy, but neither is excessive drinking.<br><br>I'm not sure about hard dope, though... I've seen people do some really nasty stuff under the influence, and a couple of guys I went to high school with pretty much tossed away their lives on dope.[/quote]<br><br>There is nothing wrong with Marijuana, it can be psychologically addictive but not physically like other drugs including alcohol. I watched a show on extasy (MDNA) what was amazing was it increases the body tempature and if not cooled down by fluids will fry the brain. One person who overdosed and died his body tempature 4 hours after death was still registering 104 degrees.  8)<br>

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[quote author=ZardozII link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=0#10 date=03/12/06 at 05:08:59]<br><br>There is nothing wrong with Marijuana, it can be psychologically addictive but not physically like other drugs including alcohol. <br>[/quote]<br><br><br>Never heard of anybody DYING from smoking a little herb. I just question all these substances like Ridilin ? and SELF-CONTROL substances that they dispense to these so-called ADD kids. And they want to rid the world of drugs and leave alcohol alone?? <br>When I was a kid , the only pill needed for a brat was a swift kick in the ass!<br>


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[quote author=googly moogly link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=0#2 date=03/11/06 at 06:51:37]...ones someone gets to the chemical adicting substabces<br>like nicotine, cocaine, alcohol or heroin, they are dependant to that substance, pot doesn't develope chemical adiction, it's psycological,<br>check in the cientific side...[/quote]<br><br>[quote author=ZardozII link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=0#10 date=03/12/06 at 05:08:59]<br>There is nothing wrong with Marijuana, it can be psychologically addictive but not physically like other drugs including alcohol...[/quote]<br><br>i'm glad we agree on something zardoz,<br>however, daily pot smoking do make the D9 THC to incrust on the testicules<br>and betwen neurotransmisors and neuroreceptors and getting rid of it may take months even years in some cases.<br>

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[quote author=pedros dowry link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=0#11 date=03/12/06 at 09:18:56]<br>I just question all these substances like Ridilin <br> <br>When I was a kid , the only pill needed for a brat was a swift kick in the ass!<br>[/quote]<br>That's because back then they could still listen and learn!  ;D We now have a generation that has never been told "no" and had it followed by consequences. Now they staple their nutsacks to their own leg to prove thay can be as rad as Johnny Knoxville. Different midset now. Drugging them is now necessary! ;)<br><br>Of course there are plenty of bright kids around, but the dumb ones are WAY more dumb.<br><br>[quote author=googly moogly link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=0#12 date=03/12/06 at 10:48:08] daily pot smoking do make the D9 THC to incrust on the testicules[/quote]<br> ??? Tell me more<br><br>

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[quote author=googly moogly link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=0#12 date=03/12/06 at 10:48:08]<br><br><br>i'm glad we agree on something zardoz,<br>however, daily pot smoking do make the D9 THC to incrust on the testicules<br>and betwen neurotransmisors and neuroreceptors and getting rid of it may take months even years in some cases.<br>[/quote]<br>are there any negative side effects though?

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The study ... examined the direct effects on sperm function of THC, the active ingredient in cannabis. The group found that THC made sperm less likely to reach the egg to fertilise it. <br>They also discovered that the presence of cannabis impaired another crucial function of sperm - the ability to digest the egg's protective coat with enzymes to aid its penetration
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[quote author=googly moogly link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=15#15 date=03/12/06 at 12:19:51]all taken from if you want to check by yourself http://www.medicalmarijuanaprocon.org/?gclid=CNisss6Q2oMCFQ8dIgodP2WJ6Q<br>[/quote]<br>I can't find the bit you were talking about how THC becomes incrusted on your testicles...that's the part I'm dying to read.

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problem with forbiden drugs investigation is<br>that lots of research is done with rats under<br>lab conditions and people ("adiccts") doesn't<br>always say the thrut about their comsumption<br>and generalisation is not always the best with this<br>and lots of extreme behavor attitudes may have to do with another<br>chemical disorders in the brain of an especific person even before<br>drug using<br>

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Hah Haha! Check this bit out from that site:<br><br>Ironically, some of the nonpsychoactive ingredients in marijuana, including cannabidiol, have been shown to have powerful antioxidant properties that protect brain cells from toxic effects of other chemicals. This effect was strong enough that the NIMH [Nat'l Inst. of Mental Health] filed a patent in 1988 entitled 'Cannabinoids as Antioxidants and Neuroprotectants.'"<br>(2004) O. Ray  <br><br>However, I still haven't found the "pot makes your balls crusty" theory yet. :-/

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[quote author=swiftkicknow link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=15#16 date=03/12/06 at 12:30:14]<br>I can't find the bit you were talking about how THC becomes incrusted on your testicles...that's the part I'm dying to read. [/quote]<br><br>it was another site, got to look for it but in this one<br>there where it says >risks>human reproduction>can marijuana use<br>harm male fertility?<br>...shows that human sperm contain receptors for cannabinoids-chemical compounds such as THC, the active substance in marijuana smoke. Further, the study shows for the first time that cannabinoids can affect three key fertilization processes:<br><br>Inhibition of acrosome reaction, the normal release of the sperm enzymes that enable sperm to penetrate the egg.<br><br><br>Regulation of very active sperm swimming patterns, called hyperactivation.<br><br><br>Prevention of sperm binding to the egg cover, or zona.<br><br>The findings could have significant implications for diagnosis of infertility and understanding basic human biology and molecular control, said Herbert Schuel, professor of anatomy and cell biology in the School of Medicine and Biomedical Sciences and co-author of the study."<br>2000 H. Schuel <br><br>Lani J. Burkman, Ph.D., et al., presented a study at the annual meeting of the American Society of Reproductive Medicine in San Antonio on 10/13/03, as reported on by BBC News:<br><br>"Men who smoke marijuana frequently damage their fertility in several different ways, research suggests.<br><br>Scientists at Buffalo University found regular smokers had significantly less seminal fluid, and a lower sperm count. Their sperm were also more likely to swim too fast too early, leading to burn-out before they reach the egg.<br><br>Lead researcher Dr Lani Burkman said: 'The bottom line is, the active ingredients in marijuana are doing something to sperm.... The sperm from marijuana smokers were moving too fast too early. The timing was all wrong. These sperm will experience burnout before they reach the egg and would not be capable of fertilization...'<br><br>Dr Burkman conceded that many men who smoke marijuana have fathered children. However, she said that smoking the drug may tip the balance against men whose fertility was borderline to start with. 'THC from marijuana may push them over the edge into infertility.'<br><br>Dr Burkman said it was unclear whether fertility would recover after men stopped smoking marijuana. But she warned that THC remained stored in fat for a long period.<br><br>'We can't say that everything will go back to normal. I definitely would advise anyone trying to conceive not to smoke marijuana, and that would include women as well as men.'"<br>10/13/03 L. Burkman  <br><br><br>Sheena Lewis, Ph.D., and the Reproductive Medicine Research Group she directs at Queen's University, Belfast, determined the following in a study reported on in a 3/31/04 article in BBC News:<br><br>"The study ... examined the direct effects on sperm function of THC, the active ingredient in cannabis. The group found that THC made sperm less likely to reach the egg to fertilise it.<br><br>They also discovered that the presence of cannabis impaired another crucial function of sperm - the ability to digest the egg's protective coat with enzymes to aid its penetration<br>

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[quote author=googly moogly link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=0#12 date=03/12/06 at 10:48:08]<br><br><br>i'm glad we agree on something zardoz,<br>however, daily pot smoking do make the D9 THC to incrust on the testicules<br>and betwen neurotransmisors and neuroreceptors and getting rid of it may take months even years in some cases.<br>[/quote]<br><br>Yes, I thought smoking pot reduced sperm levels, funny I use to smoke on the average of an ounce a week and still managed to impregnate my ex-wife even though she was on birth control at least that's what she told me.  8)<br><br>We don't have to agree all the time, isn't that half the fun on these forums.  ;D<br>

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Yep and it was 10 bucks for a halfway decent Lid of mexican weed too!<br><br>(the columbian was 30-40)<br><br>ahhhh I remember those days!

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[quote author=pedros dowry link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=0#11 date=03/12/06 at 09:18:56]<br>I just question all these substances like Ridilin <br> <br>When I was a kid , the only pill needed for a brat was a swift kick in the ass!<br>
<br>That's because back then they could still listen and learn!  ;D We now have a generation that has never been told "no" and had it followed by consequences. Now they staple their nutsacks to their own leg to prove thay can be as rad as Johnny Knoxville. Different midset now. Drugging them is now necessary! ;)<br><br>Of course there are plenty of bright kids around, but the dumb ones are WAY more dumb.[/quote]<br><br>[center]Further evidence[/center]<br><br>[quote author=mrgoodmans link=board=rant;num=1142238576;start=0#0 date=03/13/06 at 02:29:36]Escalator Jump Goes Very Bad (vid)<br><br>http://www.enwhore.com/movie/1884-Escalator_Jump_Goes_Bad.html <br><br>My god this must have hurt bad!<br><br>Image[/quote]

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:40 am 
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[quote author=ZardozII link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=15#20 date=03/13/06 at 05:46:55]<br>I use to smoke on the average of an ounce a week<br>[/quote]<br><br>That's quite alot man. <br>It used to last me a fortnight. ;D


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:41 am 
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[quote author=FLAM link=board=wishList;num=1142004846;start=15#21 date=03/13/06 at 20:51:12]Yep and it was 10 bucks for a halfway decent Lid of mexican weed too!<br><br>(the columbian was 30-40)<br><br>ahhhh I remember those days![/quote]<br><br><br>in 1975<br>- Panama Red  45 $cdn<br>- Acapulco Gold 55 $cdn<br>-Rainbow Colombian 75$cdn<br><br>1979- Russian's invade Afganistan <br>-Black Afgani hash goes from 20$ a gram to 10$ to 6$.<br>-Heroin becomes readily available.<br>(The CIA needs cash for the Rebels)<br><br>1980 (or thereabouts) Reagan declares war on drugs. <br>-cocaine goes from 120 $ a gram to 40$ and can be found everywhere. But you can't purchase any grass other than the local stuff.<br>(The CIA needs cash for the Rebels...again).<br><br>Personnaly i can't smoke dope at all anymore it just makes me want to go to sleep. But i can down a half bottle of Bordeaux wine and feel great! ;D<br><br>

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