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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2002 10:40 pm 
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I wonder if Frank made simple demo recordings of some of his songs when they were newly written? I heard something once that SOUNDED like it may have been a demo - a song about 'fallin' in love is a stupid habit'. <br><br>I wonder if there are many of these? That would be a great Vault release idea.

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 Post subject: Re: Demos?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2002 11:26 pm 
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I have a faint, and possibly incorrect, recollection of an interview with FZ from the mid '70's where he said that he had given up on demo's etc and was recording all his material live then adding overdubs as required, sometimes to the extent that the original live recording was hardly recognisable.


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De THING-FISH demos!

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From Jon Naurin:

The story of the Thing-Fish demos, and three Zappa fans called X, Y and Z:
  • X acquires the pre-release tapes from Zappa.
  • X makes a complete copy to Y, and an abridged one to Z, under the condition that they won't spread them.
  • Z makes a bootleg, and trades his tape.
  • Several different versions of Z's recording makes it onto other bootlegs and tapes.
  • X and Y never spread their recordings any further, but play it to friends and at Zappa days. [Jon has heard these tapes - Ed]
So all bootlegs originate from the same recording, and the only difference betweeen them is the length and sound quality.

From Chris Ekman:

I noticed you've got no entry for the original Thing-Fish yet, so I thought I'd sent this track listing I'd made for a tape purported to be it. It's 90 minutes long, and some, but not all, of it would seem to be on a couple of bootlegs you've got listed [Thing-Fish - The Real Tapes and Frank Zappa's Thing-Fish]. I don't have the tape here, so I can't check on some of the things that strike me as squirrely now. Tracks are different from the official version only when noted.

1. Prologue
2. The Mammy Nuns
3. Harry & Rhonda
4. Galoot Up-Date
5. Approximate [!!]
6. The Torchum Never Stops
7. You Are What You Is
8. Mudd Club
9. The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing
10. Dumb All Over
11. Heavenly Bank Account
12. Teenage Wind
13. Suicide Chump
14. If Only She Woulda
15. Drafted Again
16. The Massive Improve'lence
17. Artificial Rhonda
18. Amnerika
19. No Not Now
20. Briefcase Boogie
21. Drop Dead
22. The Crab-Grass Baby
23. Won Ton On [True Glove version]

Track 3 has different backing - Synclavier, I seem to remember.
Track 4 is backed by a guitar solo, not by " The Blue Light" - part of this can be heard during the "an' how many think my potato been bakin' too long?" outtake during " Porn Wars" on Frank Zappa Meets the Mothers of Prevention.
Track 6 has " The Evil Prince" interposed, but the original Zoot Allures solo and grunts as the backing.
Tracks 10-15: Like the other You Are What You Is songs, the vocals are redone and slightly altered. This is a lot of You Are What You Is, isn't it?
Track 15 is a very different version: Moon sings a verse and does a Swedish Valley- Girl aerobics routine over most of the song, some of which wound up backwards on " Ya Hozna" on Them Or Us.
Track 18 is the Synclavier instrumental, which, oddly enough, doesn't have Napoleon Murphy Brock's vocals.
Track 21 has doo-wop vocals backing the conversation between Thing-Fish and the Evil Prince.
Track 22 is totally different - it's a mishmash of all of the Baby's lines on the official album, with a different backing.
Track 23 has no dialogue, just some of Johnny "Guitar" Watson's exclamations from "He's So Gay" (which, again oddly, doesn't appear in this version). [This "Won Ton On" version was officially released, in Germany, on a maxi single called True Glove - Ed.]

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 Post subject: Re: Demos?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:14 pm 
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 That is exactly why the 1988 band self destructed. Thunes was in charge of the rehearsals, and some of the guys didn't like it.....<br>  Instead of Thunes being the affected target of sabotage, the band ended up being the bulls-eye.

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 Post subject: Re: Demos?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 4:37 am 
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[quote author=Approximate link=board=wishList;num=1031218819;start=0#0 date=09/05/02 at 01:40:19]I wonder if Frank made simple demo recordings of some of his songs when they were newly written? I heard something once that SOUNDED like it may have been a demo - a song about 'fallin' in love is a stupid habit'. <br><br>I wonder if there are many of these? That would be a great Vault release idea. [/quote]<br><br>Joe's Corsage is a collection of demos!<br>


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 5:33 am 
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There are several UMRK rehearsals are out there somewhere. If you ain't found em, better hurry up.....<br>


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:12 pm 
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recently picked up a boot called the absolutely free demos...short but sweet

fz & the moi:
"absolutely free demos 1966"<br><br>track 1. uncle bernie's farm
track 2. suzy creamcheese

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track 3. sink trap (7" 45rpm)
track 4. gypsy airs (7" 45rpm)

gypsy airs / sink trap single: one side: sink trap (03:04) / other side: gypsy airs (01:40)

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 Post subject: Re: Demos?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 3:40 am 
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Some info on various out-takes that you can find. This is probably only a small selection of the stuff floating about in cybergeek world though.... there's also WOIIFTM demo's - think I've seen it as "Were Only In It For The Mothers" too?<br><br>http://home.swipnet.se/fzshows/FZUnreleased.htm


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 Post subject: re: lumpy gravy demos?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:06 pm 
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[url=http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Choir/2434/lumpygrv.mp3] Image
lumpy gravy promo version [/url]of this unfinished ballet only available on a 7" acetate

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 Post subject: Re: lumpy gravy demos?
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[quote author=slime.oofytv.set link=board=wishList;num=1031218819;start=0#11 date=06/11/04 at 15:06:03]Image [font=arial black]lumpy gravy [/font]promo version of this unfinished ballet only available on a 7" acetate[/quote]<br><br>Hey, that's the overdubbed version!  :o<br>Thanks, jimmie! :)

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 Post subject: re: lumpy gravy demos?
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victor wrote:
...Thanks, jimmie! :)
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