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Hey folks,

We are planning for significant message board upgrades/changes in the coming months and we’d like to take this opportunity to let you know about this ahead of time. If you have special private messages, or anything that is important to you, please archive these things now.

Also: please update your profile with your current email address, so that we can help you keep your username.

We’ll continue to update you on Message Board changes in the near future, and welcome your feedback below.

Music Is The Best!

Mikey
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Thanks Mikey!!

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Thanks for letting us know! When do you plan these updates and what are you going to do? Move to a newer version of PHPBB?

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can we still get rid of jaypfunk because today ... he's threatening people he doesn't even know and even though we all know he's too stupid to be able to carry it out?

hope everything comes out alright

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It seem that e-mail address can't be changed. At least for me, in the Edit account settings dialog the E-mail address field is not editable.

You have to contact Mikey if you want your email address changed.

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The way I see it Barry, this should be a very dynamite show.

Because he doesn't have very many posts, right? I changed mine with no problem.

It's amazing that everyone shrieks "No moderation!" any time we have stepped in to do so, yet my inbox is full of private messages from many of the very same people asking me to ban other people because they don't like what they're posting....

When the new forum is launched, we'll be happy to moderate it, seeing as that's what most people secretly want anyway.

I for one DO NOT want moderation. Free speech for everyone.

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What?

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Thanks for the feedback Mike!
For the record, I'm totally against censorship. This is the one and only time I've ever expressed a view here that's anything close to, or as extreme as, banning somebody. But when they continually, routinely wish violence on anybody (excepting you or zappa family members or a few of the band alumni), for years, without a shred of remorse, or understanding that people might not like that, then, the usefulness or edification that folks might get from such a bully, gets a little lost. This week he said he kills rich cunts. Last week he said muslims should be exterminated. It wasn't sarcasm and he's not Andrew Dice Clay. Isn't there a point at which a bully should be told 'no'? We've been doing it for years, yet he's been driving people away, inciting violence and spreading hatespeech, picking larger and larger targets all the while. If a bully isn't told no by an authority he has to respect, he'll continue that behavior.

Can you agree that yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater is probably a bad idea? Jaypfunk laughs at such a notion. You should read what he says about the unelected US Attorney General. Anyway, I know if you were to tell him to chill out, he might for awhile. But then, the return of old behavior is likely to just be louder and more obnoxious when it comes back. If you have a better solution, I and most of the other long termers here would be happy to hear it.
Thanks for listening.

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I think that personal arguments between users shouldn't be the basis of moderation. That's extra work for the admins anyway.

I agree calvin.

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Well, not really. I don't have any problem with jaypfunk or his political views (or anybody else's for that matter) - the political discussion on the Zappa forum is horrible, and I don't read it anymore.

Good Christ, please don't. FZ will be rolling in his grave if that happens...

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"...I'm absolutely a Libertarian on MANY issues..." ~ Frank Zappa, Rochester, NY, March 11, 1988

So you say, but do you think FZ would support people who think that posting on a forum gives them license to be an asshole?

This forum has been unmoderated and essentially left alone as a natural ecosystem for many years. We installed software so you can ignore users, as an alternative to banning people. Even so, a significant number of you (including people posting in this very thread) send me private messages asking me to ban others because you feel as if you're being bullied or threatened, or you simply don't like what they are saying.

Moderation is not synonymous with censorship.


Music Is The Best.

I agree.

As we move forward with an update and upgrade, we want older users to feel comfortable, but we want to encourage new users, and people who are new-to-the-forum old fans, or brand new fans just getting into Frank, without them being attacked or otherwise chased off by existing forum members. I think you'll agree that it gets pretty bad sometimes.

This is for everyone - not the private clubhouse of a few.

I also think it would be a good idea to simplify the number of forums into something clearer and simpler.


Music Is The Best!

Well said Mikey. I'm not for the banning of anyone. But telling people to die in a bus fire {whether sarcastic or not}, should be curbed in some kind of way. But, no one should be banned. If the ignore function doesn't work for you {which I don't use}, you should just leave. There's my two cents. And that's all it's worth, because I'll be gone soon anyway. That will at least make Jay happy.

And you're right. Music is the best! Where did you get that from?

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But maybe everything that dies someday comes back"

Don't worry. My guess is that you'll continue to enjoy the free pass you've exploited for the past 14 years.

For once I have to disagree with punknaynowned and it was my mother who was the target of the "die, rich cunt" comment. jaypfunk's posts reveal the person he is; if he's happy he's presented his personality adequately here, then who am I to call for his or anyone else's banning? What I and others think or say about that personality is another matter.

On the other hand, I am not forum admin - people have been banned in the past for similar, so there is already a precedent even without moderation. Isaac appears to have been banned for making death threats against himself. I suppose one could argue that calling for the death of other forum members and their family members as well as many ethnic and minority groups is even more extreme - even, as I suspect, he intends to be funny.

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High five!
Thanks for your consideration!

(What?! Change?! Fuck! Whatever;)

Forward>>>

Music is the best!

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I hope the changes don't include having to wear formal attire!

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You're probably wondering why I'm here
(not that it makes a heck of a lot of a difference to ya)

Others fear the forum will impose a no-smoking ban.

I think, his attempts at being "funny" in this way are the results of a complete misunderstandig of FZ's humour. He believes his behaviour puts him somehow on FZ's level. What an error!

I know that many people avoid this forum just because of him. Banning him could be dangerous though, because that would make his whole world collapse.

^^^See my responses to your horseshit posts above. Crybaby.^^^

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