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Now where did this speculation come from.
So I guess you have some factual prof that Dweezil
as you say made some form of request where his posse was to inflict some form of physical maneuver on Andre.

I think there is a chance fans are spin doctoring whatever factual events took place but based on Andre's Track Record and that is extremely fowl,
if I were in his shoes I'd stay 1,000 yards away from the ZFT. Not that violence is to be expected buy why mix Andre into that sage unless some diplomacy protocols were developed. If he is working for Andrian it is nice of that opportunity for him
Andre needs to learn how to show show diplomacy.
I have seen his fowl behavior with my own eyes and ears. I always tried to give him good examples of why he shoudl let goof his fowl outlook.
Some very questionable behavior but plain and simple his commentary here
is enough to show he has little diplomacy in these matters.
The 1,000 yards comment is just common sense not some protection against violence.

MY RESPONSE TO YOUR INCINUATIONS
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Please read what I wrote. I have no factual proof that this happened; I sincerely hope it didn't. What I said was: if this allegation turns out to be true, do you agree with DZ's behaviour? In other words, do you agree with the use of violence to settle this alleged conflict? "No comment" is a pitiful, cowardly way out of this. Answer yes or no, if you have the balls. it's all speculation at this point, after all.


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Trendmonger wrote:
mil wrote:
Trendmonger wrote:

Now where did this speculation come from.
So I guess you have some factual prof that Dweezil
as you say made some form of request where his posse was to inflict some form of physical maneuver on Andre.

I think there is a chance fans are spin doctoring whatever factual events took place but based on Andre's Track Record and that is extremely fowl,
if I were in his shoes I'd stay 1,000 yards away from the ZFT. Not that violence is to be expected buy why mix Andre into that sage unless some diplomacy protocols were developed. If he is working for Andrian it is nice of that opportunity for him
Andre needs to learn how to show show diplomacy.
I have seen his fowl behavior with my own eyes and ears. I always tried to give him good examples of why he shoudl let goof his fowl outlook.
Some very questionable behavior but plain and simple his commentary here
is enough to show he has little diplomacy in these matters.
The 1,000 yards comment is just common sense not some protection against violence.

MY RESPONSE TO YOUR INCINUATIONS
NO COMMENT


Please read what I wrote. I have no factual proof that this happened; I sincerely hope it didn't. What I said was: if this allegation turns out to be true, do you agree with DZ's behaviour? In other words, do you agree with the use of violence to settle this alleged conflict? "No comment" is a pitiful, cowardly way out of this. Answer yes or no, if you have the balls. it's all speculation at this point, after all.


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Fucking pathetic. You can't even bring yourself to criticise DZ even in the (possible - I'm hoping it's a misunderstanding!) most heinous of situations. Pitiful and low.

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mil wrote:
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mil wrote:
Trendmonger wrote:

Now where did this speculation come from.
So I guess you have some factual prof that Dweezil
as you say made some form of request where his posse was to inflict some form of physical maneuver on Andre.

I think there is a chance fans are spin doctoring whatever factual events took place but based on Andre's Track Record and that is extremely fowl,
if I were in his shoes I'd stay 1,000 yards away from the ZFT. Not that violence is to be expected buy why mix Andre into that sage unless some diplomacy protocols were developed. If he is working for Andrian it is nice of that opportunity for him
Andre needs to learn how to show show diplomacy.
I have seen his fowl behavior with my own eyes and ears. I always tried to give him good examples of why he shoudl let goof his fowl outlook.
Some very questionable behavior but plain and simple his commentary here
is enough to show he has little diplomacy in these matters.
The 1,000 yards comment is just common sense not some protection against violence.

MY RESPONSE TO YOUR INCINUATIONS
NO COMMENT


Please read what I wrote. I have no factual proof that this happened; I sincerely hope it didn't. What I said was: if this allegation turns out to be true, do you agree with DZ's behaviour? In other words, do you agree with the use of violence to settle this alleged conflict? "No comment" is a pitiful, cowardly way out of this. Answer yes or no, if you have the balls. it's all speculation at this point, after all.


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Fucking pathetic. You can't even bring yourself to criticise DZ even in the (possible - I'm hoping it's a misunderstanding!) most heinous of situations. Pitiful and low.


You want pathetic here's pathetic
If someone calls my mother a CUNT
they better stay 1,000 yards away.


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Now where did this speculation come from.

So......not only can you not write, you cannot read, either. Unbelievable. :roll:

I read your statement.

Jesus Fucking Christ! - You're as dense as a London fog! You're denser than a fuckin' Black Hole! I was referring to your misinterpretation/misreading of comments made by mil.

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Trendmonger wrote:
mil wrote:
Trendmonger wrote:
mil wrote:
Trendmonger wrote:

Now where did this speculation come from.
So I guess you have some factual prof that Dweezil
as you say made some form of request where his posse was to inflict some form of physical maneuver on Andre.

I think there is a chance fans are spin doctoring whatever factual events took place but based on Andre's Track Record and that is extremely fowl,
if I were in his shoes I'd stay 1,000 yards away from the ZFT. Not that violence is to be expected buy why mix Andre into that sage unless some diplomacy protocols were developed. If he is working for Andrian it is nice of that opportunity for him
Andre needs to learn how to show show diplomacy.
I have seen his fowl behavior with my own eyes and ears. I always tried to give him good examples of why he shoudl let goof his fowl outlook.
Some very questionable behavior but plain and simple his commentary here
is enough to show he has little diplomacy in these matters.
The 1,000 yards comment is just common sense not some protection against violence.

MY RESPONSE TO YOUR INCINUATIONS
NO COMMENT


Please read what I wrote. I have no factual proof that this happened; I sincerely hope it didn't. What I said was: if this allegation turns out to be true, do you agree with DZ's behaviour? In other words, do you agree with the use of violence to settle this alleged conflict? "No comment" is a pitiful, cowardly way out of this. Answer yes or no, if you have the balls. it's all speculation at this point, after all.


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Fucking pathetic. You can't even bring yourself to criticise DZ even in the (possible - I'm hoping it's a misunderstanding!) most heinous of situations. Pitiful and low.


You want pathetic here's pathetic
If someone calls my mother a CUNT
they better stay 1,000 yards away.


Can I read that as a "yes, I agree with ordering people to beat someone up" (if it turns out to be true!), then?

They'd better stay 1,000 yards away from who? You or your hunchmen?
It's generally admirable to confront the person face-to-face in a dispute, even if "someone's called your mother a cunt."

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mil wrote:
Trendmonger wrote:
mil wrote:
Trendmonger wrote:
mil wrote:
Trendmonger wrote:

Now where did this speculation come from.
So I guess you have some factual prof that Dweezil
as you say made some form of request where his posse was to inflict some form of physical maneuver on Andre.

I think there is a chance fans are spin doctoring whatever factual events took place but based on Andre's Track Record and that is extremely fowl,
if I were in his shoes I'd stay 1,000 yards away from the ZFT. Not that violence is to be expected buy why mix Andre into that sage unless some diplomacy protocols were developed. If he is working for Andrian it is nice of that opportunity for him
Andre needs to learn how to show show diplomacy.
I have seen his fowl behavior with my own eyes and ears. I always tried to give him good examples of why he shoudl let goof his fowl outlook.
Some very questionable behavior but plain and simple his commentary here
is enough to show he has little diplomacy in these matters.
The 1,000 yards comment is just common sense not some protection against violence.

MY RESPONSE TO YOUR INCINUATIONS
NO COMMENT


Please read what I wrote. I have no factual proof that this happened; I sincerely hope it didn't. What I said was: if this allegation turns out to be true, do you agree with DZ's behaviour? In other words, do you agree with the use of violence to settle this alleged conflict? "No comment" is a pitiful, cowardly way out of this. Answer yes or no, if you have the balls. it's all speculation at this point, after all.


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Fucking pathetic. You can't even bring yourself to criticise DZ even in the (possible - I'm hoping it's a misunderstanding!) most heinous of situations. Pitiful and low.


You want pathetic here's pathetic
If someone calls my mother a CUNT
they better stay 1,000 yards away.


Can I read that as a "yes, I agree with ordering people to beat someone up" (if it turns out to be true!), then?

They'd better stay 1,000 yards away from who? You or your hunchmen?
It's generally admirable to confront the person face-to-face in a dispute, even if "someone's called your mother a cunt."


O.K. let's see if this can mean anything to you.

My mother passed away in 1999. My ex psycho shows up at the funeral. Says nothing to no one. Just stands there like a statue. If there were pigeons they would have shit on her. Now this ex Psycho, sans pigeon shit was not at all a good person to my mother. My mother was basically a Saint of a woman who gave her heart and money to the world including whatever the ex Psyco would need to make her life happy. I divorced the ex Psycho in a kind and gentle way that benefited her but if I was mean she would be dead for her actions towards me and my family. Anyway at the funeral the ex Psycho said nothing at all to anyone in my family when she showed up. At some point a relative made a scene in the funeral parlor. She directly and loudly confronted the ex-Psycho in her face questioning why the she was even there. My relative took it to a level that was just not something I approved of or proper for the funeral. Neither person was acting all that well but the ex Psycho not only should not have shown up but just did not have the proper diplomacy.

My advice to Andre is to stay away from eh Zappa's.
I could understand and fully support DZ if he had made demands and does not want to have Andre at all in his line of sight. DZs mother is alive.
If DZ knows how Andre has spoken of his mother and I expect e has I very well understand how he would not want to see Andre in his periscope.

My advice to Andre is to stay as far away as possible from the Zappa's. If Andre wants to publicly make these statements of lawsuits and other Zappa relatives and Zappa Alumni opinions why does he not just call a his view of a spade a spade and tell how he talks of GZ. Andre is two faced.


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Just got this from Andre. Read it and weep.

hello Friends....

Sorry -- this became kind of a long letter, but it helped me exorcise some real negative shit. It took me two hours.


I was working for ADRIAN BELEW, opening for ZPZ at Ottawa Bluesfest, Canada (Sat 5 July 2008)

Stuff turned REAL ugly.....

Basically---- one of Dweezil Zappa's guys, under his direct orders - threatened, pushed and physically attacked me.... !

For the horrible act of walking onto the stage to watch and enjoy the show. Really.


I should consider legal action actually..it was ...real ugly. real scary. I was shaking like a leaf... They have sued me many times, tried to at least. Should I return the favor? I ask your advice -- should I seek legal action?? I have countless witnesses, I was at work in a professional capacity. Canada law on this is actually quite bad news for someone who would want to work here again....I could cripple the Zappa family financially, real bad news since they are losing their shirts trying to do these tours, pay cuts, playing smaller and smaller venues etc isn't helping from what I hear.


Their Monitor guy, Dave, almost shoved me off the stage, a 10 to 15ft drop, so scary. Scenes of "broken leg in London Orchestra pit" may dance through your head......

These people actually had a MEETING on THE BUS...Tour Manager, Dweezil, crew, etc. Wrap your mind around the level off dysfunction -- to have a fucking MEETING about a guy you hate --- a guy who has never really done anything but piss you off for some reason. Imagine being so unprofessional -- and self-important -- to think that a HUGE festival, should do your bidding and ban people from public areas. I know - Unreal. - But -- par for the course in Post-Mortem Zappa-land. No surprise. Bullying at every turn.


After a meeting on the bus --Dweezil then demanded from the Festival stage manager (ONE HOUR before their show!!) that I would NOT BE SEEN by him (Dweezil).....!! he asked that he NOT SEE ME AT ALL, EVER, throughout the night. I can't wait to see when he delivers to the shocked people at TODAY's festival the same pompous request.


The incredible, pro stage mgr guy, Wiggy, from the Ottawa Bluesfest, ensured cooler heads prevailed all night. I hope we work together again.


Ok, Now, this is a GIANT festival with about 230 bands...11 days.... we are on a fucking SIDE STAGE -- and Dweezil DEMANDS of the festival staff- ONE HOUR BEFORE HIS SHOW - to KEEP ME OFF THE STAGE (even the side stage, monitor area, backstage, etc!!) and make sure he (DWEEZIL) NEVER SEE ME!!!! Can you even wrap your mind around that??? he wanted to CONTROL the attendance - at a public event he is getting paid to be at - of someone he is soooo pissed at. Unreal.


The (very cool) stage manager , when I asked him -- said " Dude - no, I have NO PROBLEM with you going into the AUDIENCE and watching them, front row, whatever. I just have to respect these guys and ask you to stay off the stage.
I wanna run a smooth show - I am here for 11 days, I have no time for issues"

As you all know-- I'm a fucking PRO, and I of course honored the request -- I stayed off stage. But this is after FINDING OUT for the first time....with the prick monitor guy SCREAMING IN MY FACE AT THE TOP OF HIS LUNGS -- SPITTING IN MY GODDAMN FACE...and pushing me backwards to the edge.... it was terrifying and I've seen a lot of dark shit in this life, trust me on that.


It was unreal. Surreal. The best part is -- before ZPZ played - BELEW played--- and I had met this very same guy - Dave - monitor guy -- and he was COOL!! We were rapping, talking gear, he showed me a pic on his computer of his guitar-rig..which featured the same amp that Adrian uses (Johnson JM 150), like good nerds we chuckled about that as well as his computer gadget his laptop sat on...some device with 2 fans to cool it off, blah blah blah. We talked about him being new on the crew, after I said "Napoleon says hi" --"oh no -- that was the old guy, I am new since last year, etc etc"....We talked all kinds of stuff -- later he claimed "Well I thought you were just acting like nothing was going on". Wow.


So-- SAME GUY turn into a RAGING PSYCHO 2 hrs later!!!! He literally almost pushed me off the stage and down some steps. It was scary shit. I can't emphazise that enough. I am shaking still, almost 12 hrs later as i type this after 4 hrs sleep.


I'm not easily shaken, you know that. But I drive 5 hrs today -- to another fest where ZPZ again plays right after us --- and I dunno how it will turn out.
I went to the monitor guy after the show and said "Dude, do you have something to say to me"??

He copped TONS of attitude, but I actually got him to begrudgingly apologize, I accepted it, kinda, since he claimed he had been TOLD by up to 6 people that I was FULLY INFORMED of my "persona non grata" status. Well- I wasn't informed.
The FIRST TIME I knew about ANY of this crap was when he violently accosted me!!

I think I will call the next P/O tour by that title. --- PERSONA NON GRATA.
how do you like it??

I feel extra let down that I wasn't warned, wasn't told. Joe Travers, the bass player Pete and other crew/band members said hi, some shook my hand, we rapped. I - as I always try to -- will give the benefit of the doubt that each person thought "Oh - I thought Someone ELSE told him". I feel sorry for these people -- including my hero Thomas Nordegg -- thee greatest guitar tech in the Solar System, who I had a lovely time hanging with all afternoon before I loaded in.


I feel sorry that they are all caught between the horrible pressure of being told to DISS ME as part of their job....and knowing me for years and knowing who and what I really am. Terrible - to put people in that position. But that's how tyrants operate. Pitting people against each other. It's worked for centuries. Check the history books.


OK. whatever. But does the 'adult' monitor guy need to have dealt with it that way??? Screaming at the TOP of his lungs, spitting his filthy fucking spit in my face, pushing me backwards in shock?? Later he even justified the screaming (!!) --- "hey my in-ear monitors were on". Yeah right. Any pro engineer knows how loud they are talking!! Ridiculous. Dude has major issues and I will make sure I deal with him today with lost of witnesses around.



Thank You,
André

Now -- I'm not gloating here but.......I'm The guy who, Unlike Dweezil Zappa, has shared the stage with more Zappa alumni and family than almost ANYONE BUT FRANK ZAPPA ..people like Ike Willis, Napoleon Murphy Brock, Candy Zappa, Ed Mann, Roy Estrada, Mike Keneally, Adrian Belew, Denny Walley, Don Preston, Bunk Gardner, Bob Harris, Thana Harris, Jimmy Carl Black, Billy Mundi, Ray White, Al Malkin, Arthur Barrow, Bruce Bickford and more.
Actually only someone like the amazing Ed Mann, Ike Willis, Scott Thunes or Chad Wackerman has been onstage with more people -- due to their LONG tenure in the band (over 21 years for Ed and about 7-10 years for Chad/Scott/Ike)

I'm not gloating. It's called PRIDE. I am proud I have dedicated a part of my musical life, just one part -- to paying back to a man who changed my life - Frank Zappa.
An amazing, genius man I was lucky enough to shake hands with several times, look in his eyes from 3 feet away, tell him a joke or two, walk up to at a concert and give a funny sign to (feb 1988 , wash DC) that made him laugh his ass off (cherished memory!! Making Zappa laugh!!! C'mon - can it get better??!!!)

A man who asked on his deathbed for people, musicians or not - to PLAY HIS MUSIC!! Frank asked for that -- I have always tried to honor that request. I am PROUD of engineering a SOLD OUT show at Irving Plaza, Halloween 2001, raising TEN GRAND for Prostate Cancer research (a show that owes much credit to my great management team at CEG Music in NYC and the great Matt Ross, now CEO of Paul Green School of Rock). I am PROUD of getting many , many alumni out of RETIREMENT and back onstage. I am PROUD of paying my way, losing money to go all the way to my beloved Germany, to play music and hang out with THOUSANDS of Freaks...at the Zappanale festival -now being SUED by Gail Zappa as well.


I'm proud of my work in this area. No one can or will ever take that away from me. Frank Zappa changed my WORLD at age 16.....and I am very very proud to have had the chance to meet most of his players, to call them all my friends to this day. I am proud to have his original family members as cherished friends. I say this not to impress anyone but to add perspective. No one reading this is unaware of the dark energy that has emanated from Zappa central in recent years. It's a thing of real concern.


PS: This is the core of what pisses them off. They have BURNT EVERY BRIDGE with most of the Zappa alumni and family -- and they hate themselves for it. They know they've BLOWN IT and insulted Frank's Legacy. They know they can NEVER turn back -- can never celebrate his deep kinship with so, so many people.


They know that Musicians they have sued, dissed in the press, not paid, ignored as they stood in the audience at ZPZ shows...won't take that crap and will not ever work with them. I have kept silent about THAT part of things for YEARS...but being physically threatened by Dweezil's crew CROSSES A LINE that I can never go back over. Sorry, Dweezil. You should have thought about your actions. Right now they are in court with the ZAPPANALE...they have sent cease and desist letters to Bogus Pomp and other bands, they keep going after the Grandmothers...suing TV stations....it doesn't end with me -- and that's how I sleep at night -- IT'S NOT JUST ME!!!

As peaceful as a person as I am----I cannot sit by with this crap - It's been OVER TEN YEARS of attacks, insulting emails from Gail, LAWSUIT THREATS, threats to some alumni who play with us, falsified, libelous letters from ASCAP/, and watching the SAME happen to many friends and colleagues WORLDWIDE. It's scary, downright scary. The "Zappa" "Family" feels it can just go around suing, attacking, and trying to squash the truth -- but reality and truth have a way of bubbling up.


Why has EVERY SINGLE LAWSUIT filed against me by Gail Zappa been thrown out ?? Why did i win in NY State Court AGAINST Gail Zappa and ASCAP? because their claims are baseless. My band stays within acceptable US and international law where applicable -- performing the music of a composer in certified venues. End of Story.


I write this to all of you -- in case some dark shit goes down today (Sun, 6 July 2008) at the 2nd festival, in Quebec City QC. I will go there - do my job -- and stay out of the way. I haven't decided yet if I will watch the music --some of my favorite music ever -- from the audience, up front, as I deserve. But we'll see.


My boss--my amazing friend actually -- Mr. Adrian Belew -- has not decided if he will perform on one song today with them. I can;'t speak for him but he is upset -- and feels caught between some painful stuff. Again-- the method of pitting people against each other is in play.


I Urged Adrian to do whatever he feels is right -- and to forget about this (I know- impossible). But he knows that I will not at all be upset if he gets onstage with them, well, with Dweezil. You know why?? Because from BEGINNING TO END -- I have always been about one goddamned thing - FRANK and HIS MUSIC...and about YOU -- the fans and alumni! that's all!!! Every last one of you on here, many who have celebrated Frank's amazing music with me and my band....KNOW THAT. And I thank you again -- and hope we meet again in music.


I also thank, deeply, a blood relative of Frank's who will remain nameless -- who related to me 2 days ago, before all this - in email an old saying:

"They .....will get you sick before you get them well.
"

(this person added the words........)

"I urge you to protect your beautiful mind from the psychic poison, of which there is a never ending supply.
"

Great stuff. This made my day. I am trying to do that, my friend. I am trying real hard. You got me through yesterday in many ways and your words will echo all day as I deal with another encounter with this dysfunctional camp.


This letter is public domain. Spread It to others if you feel the need. Post it on forums. Delete it if you don't care. But ponder it as another chapter in this crazy, post-mortem, mis-handling of Frank's legacy. Horrible.


I will get it on my blog soon at http://robotvomit. blogspot. com/

PS -Believe it or not --- when I heard about us opening for ZPZ -- after getting over the shock and apprehension, I decided that if I saw Dweezil, I would walk up to him and say "hey man... I know there's lots of water under the bridge..but it's GREAT what you have done and are doing...and just fantastic how you have celebrated your dad's music - Thank You.
"

Ike Willis, Napoleon Murphy Brock and others are my witness on that, I told them of my intent over a month ago. I was taking the high road -- I greeted every single one of Dweezil's crew with honor and respect -- I genuinely loved meeting the ones I didn't know -- I stayed and watched their show (missing most of Steely Dan, ouch!!) - even after all the crap. I watched, invisibly, from the backstage grounds near stage left. I kept myself unseen. I honored the festival stage manager's requests - great guy. I'm about the music and I want you to know that always. But this crap can't be allowed.


Help me-- should I be suing them?? Should I walk away and just keep living my life at as high a spiritual level as I can manage?? Don't worry -- will go into today's encounter peacefully -- a very , very difficult day lies ahead.


Yours,
André Cholmondeley
Tour Manager/Guitar Tech - Adrian Belew Power Trio
Founder/Guitarist/Grey Hairs - PROJECT/OBJECT - the longest running, internationally touring Zappa repertoire band. Actually Respecting the Alumni Who Made the Music Come Alive.


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JULY 2008 - NORTH AMERICA

05 SAT Ottawa Canada 2008 Cisco Ottawa Bluesfest
06 SUN Quebec Canada Quebec City Int'l Summer Fest
08 TUE Quebec Canada Quebec City Int'l Summer Fest
10 THU Boston MA Harper's Ferry
11 FRI New York NY Rockin' The River Cruise
12 SAT Pittsburgh PA Diesel
13 SUN Newport KY Southgate House

OCTOBER/NOVEMBER 2008 - EUROPE

OCTOBER
15 WED Budapest Hungary
18 SAT Lugano Switzerland Auditorium, Radio Svizzera
24 FRI Woergl Austria Komma
25 SAT Vevey Switzerland Rocking-Chair
27 MON Aschaffenburg Germany Club Colos-Saal
28 TUES Groningen Netherlands
29 WED Den Haag Netherlands Paard Van Troje
31 FRI Zuerich Switzerland Moods Im Schiffbau

NOVEMBER
01 SAT Schwerin Germany Der Speicher
02 SUN Muenster Germany Hotjazzclub
03 MON Leverkusen Germany Jazztage

more USA/International dates TBA soon!

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My advice to Andre is to stay away from eh Zappa's.
I could understand and fully support DZ if he had made demands and does not want to have Andre at all in his line of sight. DZs mother is alive.
If DZ knows how Andre has spoken of his mother and I expect e has I very well understand how he would not want to see Andre in his periscope.


Not wanting him in his "line of sight" is all well and good, but it's no reason to request violence against him. That's cowardly.

Again, I'm hoping this is all a misunderstanding. Perhaps DZ just asked if Andre could be removed, and the monitor guy Andre mentions below acted overzealously. I don't know. I can't comment on the rest of his letter, really; it's unfortunate reading, but folk more knowledgeable than me regarding Andre & P/O vs. ZFT will be able to discuss this more accurately and hopefully tease out the truths.

Sorry to hear of the unfortunate incident at your mother's funeral. Must've been hard to cope with.

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Wonder if the Dweez' will be invited back next year?
I doubt he put a 'hit' out on Andre'. But I doubt he was clear
in his little meeting. Therefore? Guilty as charged.

edit: Dweezil shoul just send word of apology and it will be over.


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mil wrote:
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My advice to Andre is to stay away from eh Zappa's.
I could understand and fully support DZ if he had made demands and does not want to have Andre at all in his line of sight. DZs mother is alive.
If DZ knows how Andre has spoken of his mother and I expect e has I very well understand how he would not want to see Andre in his periscope.


Not wanting him in his "line of sight" is all well and good, but it's no reason to request violence against him. That's cowardly.

Again, I'm hoping this is all a misunderstanding. Perhaps DZ just asked if Andre could be removed, and the monitor guy Andre mentions below acted overzealously. I don't know. I can't comment on the rest of his letter, really; it's unfortunate reading, but folk more knowledgeable than me regarding Andre & P/O vs. ZFT will be able to discuss this more accurately and hopefully tease out the truths.

Sorry to hear of the unfortunate incident at your mother's funeral. Must've been hard to cope with.


Thank you for your sentiments.

I'd like to think my mother was a Saint if there ever was one. God knows uncountable people have told me so in the 9 years since her passing. Many people and I tend to see lots of my mother in my daughter. Second child born tomorrow. We'll see that brings. Only time will tell. Many say my wife and I are great parents but DNA may have something to do with results.

Anyhow the x Psycho. Literally she looked like a statue just standing there in that funeral parlor. She said nothing to no one for quite some time and did not even approach my mothers casket . I dealt with the situation quite well. I did not even pay close attention to her nor did I ever say a word to her. No reason to look at a statue when you have family to talk to. It was not until my cousin got out of hand which is also unfortunate behavior but I think even if nothing was ever said to her she should have realized 100% unwelcome and to turn around and leave. There are situation where certain people based on life history are just not welcomed. Andre are you listening.

If in fact DZ requested Andre not be in his presence I think it is not only a deserved request but one that should never have come. Andre a Tour Manager is really extremely questionable. What the hell was Adrian Belew thinking having the Power Trio booked before ZPZ if Andre was a Tour Manager.

DZ and the band are focused they don't need an Andre Chumondely in the mix.
Maybe next tour Adrian Belew will think twice about his booking and or Tour Manager arrangements.


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Yes, folks. It's-All-About-Me-Monger has shifted the focus of this thread to his late Sainted Mother, who probably never owned an Adrian Belew album.

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Not surprised at all that this went down. :) Dweezil had every right to request him not to be backstage, beside the stage or anywhere near him. If he was in the front row of the crowd, then there's nothing he could do about that.

Andre's a dick. From reading his little story, he tries to come off like he's actually "alumni" becaused he played the music publicly before Dweezil did. He has insulted Dweezil and Gail personally, what did he call them in one blog - Weasel & Snail? :shock: That's probably the nicer of the things he's said. Fuck him, he should have got his ass kicked. He made his bed, now lay in it. Adrian would be smart to find a new guy next tour.


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I'm not gloating. It's called PRIDE. I am proud I have dedicated a part of my musical life, just one part -- to paying back to a man who changed my life - Frank Zappa.

An amazing, genius man I was lucky enough to shake hands with several times, look in his eyes from 3 feet away, tell him a joke or two, walk up to at a concert and give a funny sign to (feb 1988 , wash DC) that made him laugh his ass off (cherished memory!! Making Zappa laugh!!! C'mon - can it get better??!!!)

A man who asked on his deathbed for people, musicians or not - to PLAY HIS MUSIC!! Frank asked for that -- I have always tried to honor that request.


there he goes again. not gloating. of course not.

and, again, claiming that frank zappa (on his deathbed, no less) told everyone that it was alright to play his music anyway they wanted to.

thereby making project/object the only official zappa tribute band?

and; what's so special about adrian belew, anyway? he was a member of frank zappa's band for eight months.
he could have stayed, but, he left for david bowie...

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Not surprised at all that this went down. :) Dweezil had every right to request him not to be backstage, beside the stage or anywhere near him. If he was in the front row of the crowd, then there's nothing he could do about that.

This is just complete one sided bullshit. If this issue ended up in the courts, do you think the judge would legally distinguish between Dweezil's and Andre's rights to be wherever at a music festival? Do you really believe that legally, Dweezil's rights would somehow take precedence over Andre's?

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Fred_Zappelin wrote:
Not surprised at all that this went down. :) Dweezil had every right to request him not to be backstage, beside the stage or anywhere near him. If he was in the front row of the crowd, then there's nothing he could do about that.

This is just complete one sided bullshit. If this issue ended up in the courts, do you think the judge would legally distinguish between Dweezil's and Andre's rights to be wherever at a music festival? Do you really believe that legally, Dweezil's rights would somehow take precedence over Andre's?
Where are all the fucking cameras when you need the fucking things? There's a clear possibility that this would be thrown out of court but that's not at all a certainty. I'm still of two minds on which way André should proceed.
A rash Dweezil may have shot himself in the foot or worse once all the facts are known and this might be a very crucially defining moment in the continuing legacy of the life and work of Frank Zappa.

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Not surprised at all that this went down. :) Dweezil had every right to request him not to be backstage, beside the stage or anywhere near him. If he was in the front row of the crowd, then there's nothing he could do about that.

Andre's a dick. From reading his little story, he tries to come off like he's actually "alumni" becaused he played the music publicly before Dweezil did. He has insulted Dweezil and Gail personally, what did he call them in one blog - Weasel & Snail? :shock: That's probably the nicer of the things he's said. Fuck him, he should have got his ass kicked. He made his bed, now lay in it. Adrian would be smart to find a new guy next tour.


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It has been alleged that there was another incident the following evening in Quebec consisting, in part, of an attempt (by ZPZ TM) to physically block André from loading Belew's van.

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Maybe next tour Adrian Belew will think twice about his booking and or Tour Manager arrangements.
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Adrian can hire whomever the fuck he wants. He doesn't have to think twice about anything. You are such a prick.


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Andre C wrote:
I'm not gloating. It's called PRIDE. I am proud I have dedicated a part of my musical life, just one part -- to paying back to a man who changed my life - Frank Zappa.

An amazing, genius man I was lucky enough to shake hands with several times, look in his eyes from 3 feet away, tell him a joke or two, walk up to at a concert and give a funny sign to (feb 1988 , wash DC) that made him laugh his ass off (cherished memory!! Making Zappa laugh!!! C'mon - can it get better??!!!)

A man who asked on his deathbed for people, musicians or not - to PLAY HIS MUSIC!! Frank asked for that -- I have always tried to honor that request.


there he goes again. not gloating. of course not.

and, again, claiming that frank zappa (on his deathbed, no less) told everyone that it was alright to play his music anyway they wanted to.

thereby making project/object the only official zappa tribute band?

and; what's so special about adrian belew, anyway? he was a member of frank zappa's band for eight months.
he could have stayed, but, he left for david bowie...


Who said anything about Andre claiming P/O the only official Zappa tribute band? WTF are you talking about? Andre used to promote anyone doing anything related to Zappa music.

And WTF does Andrian Belew's "status" as a Zappa alumni have to do with this story?

Fred_Zappelin wrote:
Not surprised at all that this went down. :) Dweezil had every right to request him not to be backstage, beside the stage or anywhere near him. If he was in the front row of the crowd, then there's nothing he could do about that.

Andre's a dick. From reading his little story, he tries to come off like he's actually "alumni" becaused he played the music publicly before Dweezil did. He has insulted Dweezil and Gail personally, what did he call them in one blog - Weasel & Snail? :shock: That's probably the nicer of the things he's said. Fuck him, he should have got his ass kicked. He made his bed, now lay in it. Adrian would be smart to find a new guy next tour.


Andre's not a "dick," of that I can assure you.

What's really fucking comical though is you referencing Andre insulting Gail and Dweezil. Riiiiight. Andre showed restraint for years without saying shit about Gail's twisted fucking campaign of threats and lawsuits. You act as if that never happened. What a joke.

He should have gotten his "ass kicked" because of comments on a message board? Man, I just love internet tough guys. Let me guess, you were the kid who used to get the gas pedal from the big kids at school, right?

What a tool.

If it isn't painfully obvious at this point that the folks at ZFT are more than a little unstable then you either have your head in the sand or, alternatively, are like Schillmonger, who is little more than a rambling, incoherent fucking puppet.

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This is all simple to me.

First, I think Andre gets a touch irrational at times on the subject of the ZFT. However, I basically believe him about 90%, and cut him slack for getting wacky every now and then.

However, Dweezil has no right of any kind to banish someone from the backstage area, if that person is working a job and would normally need to be there. Dweezil can have whatever beef he wants with Andre, but he can't just dictate what Andre can and cannot do, and he certainly can't allow someone to lay hands on Andre in his name. This would be true for any professional musician on any stage, in any sane universe.

Dweezil isn't entitled to act like an asshole, any more than anyone else is. The fact is that Dweezil is in the wrong here. Christ, he should just ignore Andre and move on.

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I consider Andre' a friend, so I was horrified to hear this story. Like any such story, though, I'm sure the account here is not quite the whole truth. I just don't see Dweez as the type who would put a "hit" out on someone. Likewise, I don't see Andre' as the type who would actively provoke such a "hit". But damn, with or without Dweezil's "command", that "roughing up" backstage just makes my blood boil, provoked or not. And to make things uncomfortable for Adrian, that's just doubly uncool. He's worked too hard in his career to have this kind of bullshit disrupt his tours.

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This really IS stalkerish behavior. It's like Andre is obsessed. I think any psychologist would have a field day with Andre's post.

It surprises me that those who rush to Andre's defense and take part in this sideshow by posting his message any place they can, fail to see the truly distasteful transparency of what Andre's message and its intent really is. Furthermore, their blind faith that his breathless and melodramatic account is the factual gospel truth, is also pretty stunning.

He clearly incited this incident, and his disingenuous posturing belies his real intent - which is to get as much attention for himself and his cause as possible by inserting himself into a place where he clearly knew he was not wanted, thus causing trouble, and then subsequently grossly distorting his account of the events. It's a really pathetic cry for attention, and a sad attempt to somehow weave himself into the fabric of the Zappa oeuvre, just like he has pathetically done with ex-Zappa alumni. Even his band name "project/object" insinuates that he is some kind of continuation of FZ's legacy, and that's sick-making.

Then we have his mock outrage and hurt feelings, where we are all meant to buy into his account and how shocked he was by it - and how he's still "shaking like a leaf". Then he insinuates (rather laughably) that he might have a ZFT hit on him and tells people that if something bad were to happen to him, it could just be because of some plot to snuff him out. Yeah right. What a bunch of bullshit.

Take some fucking responsibility for your actions for once Andre, you douche.

Do people really take this paranoia seriously? Do seemingly intelligent people really buy into the bullshit of this stinky and very unpleasant individual?

Of course, Jimmie D does, but then there's another great example of someone so deluded by his own self-imagined grandeur, that he expected that the ZPZ band and crew would be not only happy to comp him a ticket to the show back in DC in '06, but would actually want to interact with him and tolerate his presence backstage after his comments and trolling in this forum. Not even Napoleon wanted to deal with that, despite Jimmie constantly dropping his name like they are actually friends. But I digress.

I wonder how long people will buy this shit before they realize just how pathetic Andre and his entire cause is.

He's clearly a failed musician - he needs to make a living teching for other guitarists rather than being on stage himself. He has been unable to sustain a career on his own merits and instead has to leech off FZ's legacy, and try to actually make people believe he has a right to do so - moreso that FZ's own family. His entire presence is entirely negative. Shame on him for even trying to insinuate himself anywhere near the name Zappa. He certainly hasn't brought anything of value to FZ, his music, or his legacy. Only bitterness and wrong notes.

He fails to realize the undeniable truth: If Frank actually knew Andre, he'd despise him.

It's blatantly obvious that in this case, Andre did not need to be anywhere in the vicinity of the backstage area during the ZPZ show, yet he insisted on hanging around like a bad smell (literally... the guy needs some deodorant..)

Andre, get a fucking life you pathetic sad little man. And while you're at it, get a fucking career too. Go and try to create something of your own instead of slithering your way into the lives of ex-Zappa alumni, and into backstage areas where you clearly know that you are unwelcome.

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Well, if I was Mr. Belew, I wouldn't have said jack shit to my employee as to the request. It was just plain stupid in the first place. That said, a lousy situation all around and I hate to read of it.


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