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There's no difference between Dweezil and Andre...Are you kidding?

DZ owns the fucking music!


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There's no difference between Dweezil and Andre...Are you kidding?

DZ owns the fucking music!


He may own it but he sure as fuck didn't write it.
Hell by that standard Michael Jackson ought to tell Paul McCartney not to play any of "his" beatles songs live anymore.

They are both cover bands, slice that hair as small as you like, they are still both cover bands.

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BillyDaMt wrote:
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There's no difference between Dweezil and Andre...Are you kidding?

DZ owns the fucking music!


He may own it but he sure as fuck didn't write it.
Hell by that standard Michael Jackson ought to tell Paul McCartney not to play any of "his" beatles songs live anymore.

They are both cover bands, slice that hair as small as you like, they are still both cover bands.


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There's no difference between Dweezil and Andre...Are you kidding?

DZ owns the fucking music!


He may own it but he sure as fuck didn't write it.
Hell by that standard Michael Jackson ought to tell Paul McCartney not to play any of "his" beatles songs live anymore.

They are both cover bands, slice that hair as small as you like, they are still both cover bands.


Agreed.


Whammo.

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What does "roughed up" mean? Physically? Verbally?
Damn, it's like Lancaster, CA, ca. 1950s.

Physically. Nearly pushed off the stage.


This is terrible! Just reading this now.... I know there are always 3 sides to every story but this does not sound good :shock:

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I repeat I have witnessed Andre's extremely disturbing linguistic content, tone and mannerisms towards a very highly ambient domain official person who protects and serves the artistic intent of Frank Zappa. I'd be surprised if Andre would walk withing 1,000 yards of the ZFT.


People aren't allowed to be upset by someone and voice their opinions about them and then have to be face-to-face with them due to political situations? Again, you are an ass, TM. And "MIL" asked you specifically to be concise and you ignored him/her.

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Yes, I'm definitely a "Johnny-Come-Lately" with this thread but as I'm reading through and getting more and more disgusted, I must add that you are a douche, Mr. TM. :evil:

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My ex psycho shows up at the funeral....


Wait a minute..... Trendy, you were involved in a marriage where the other party turned out to be psycho!?!? Nooooo.... I don't believe it!

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Andre's a dick.....


Did you not read Andre's message? He couldn't be a farther thing on the spectrum. He's not trying to come off as alumni - he's trying to come off as a person who has dedicated a large amount of their life in TRIBUTE to Frank and his music! Andre has taken the higher path as he said... Andre is a stand-up guy and a dedicated individual to honoring Frank Zappa and his music. :evil:

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thereby making project/object the only official zappa tribute band?


How in the hell was that even insinuated :? :? :?

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Andre, get a fucking life you pathetic sad little man. And while you're at it, get a fucking career too.


Seraph, you have no clue on what you speak of. Andre's conquest is most certainly not out for his own agenda - it has been homage and tribute to FRANK ZAPPA AND HIS MUSIC - period. Andre is very passionate towards this. He's always been very professional about everything. In addition to being a great guitarist, band leader, etc. - he's also been an accomplished tour manager working for Don Preston, Adrian Belew, a Mahavishnu tribute, etc. I'm not sure why you feel such hostility towards Andre. Maybe you're a relative of the monitor guy with the loud voice that Andre was talking about? :roll:

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All else I'll say is Seraph makes the most sense here, and his recent posts are right on the money.


HA!!! :roll:

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What does "roughed up" mean? Physically? Verbally?
Damn, it's like Lancaster, CA, ca. 1950s.

Physically. Nearly pushed off the stage.

This is terrible! Just reading this now.... I know there are always 3 sides to every story but this does not sound good :shock:

Check this out, too. It's Andre's response to DZ's blog entry.
http://www.zappa.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=14269&start=25

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I definitely wouldn't read that as a polite and simple request. It is an ultimatum: Either you do what I want, or we don't deal.


I agree....

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But the fact that Dweezil makes an issue out of Andre's presence is just unprofressional and immature. (And he appears to be throwing some bits of slander into the blog on the side by stating that Andre has violated copyright laws; where is the court evidence for that serious assertion?)


Hear hear! I found Dweezil's personal note to Andre (or was I not supposed to read that part?) very insulting. Andre has dedicated years (decades?) to Frank and his music and getting people to hear it all throughout the world (when ZFT wasn't doing anything in the live market, might I add) and then Dweez goes on and on to insult him in the end of his post. Very hurting, conceited remarks, IMO.

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There are 2 things on which Dweezil could and should be criticised based on this blog:

-His highly nasty attitude. He displays Andre as a fuckwit, a stalker with too much imagination. He appears to be highly impolite and arrogant.
-His posting of the E-mail conversation with Adrian. He could've just said "Adrian mailed this, he said he'd be away". Instead he posts other person's e-mail without permission. Bad move.


Agreed - agreed.

Yes, terrible attitude and representation of who Andre is.

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He may own it but he sure as fuck didn't write it.
Hell by that standard Michael Jackson ought to tell Paul McCartney not to play any of "his" beatles songs live anymore.

They are both cover bands, slice that hair as small as you like, they are still both cover bands.


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My ex psycho shows up at the funeral....


Wait a minute..... Trendy, you were involved in a marriage where the other party turned out to be psycho!?!? Nooooo.... I don't believe it!


heh heh,
I missed that part as I usually skim or glaze over his posts.

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I definitely wouldn't read that as a polite and simple request. It is an ultimatum: Either you do what I want, or we don't deal.


I agree....

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But the fact that Dweezil makes an issue out of Andre's presence is just unprofressional and immature. (And he appears to be throwing some bits of slander into the blog on the side by stating that Andre has violated copyright laws; where is the court evidence for that serious assertion?)


Hear hear! I found Dweezil's personal note to Andre (or was I not supposed to read that part?) very insulting. Andre has dedicated years (decades?) to Frank and his music and getting people to hear it all throughout the world (when ZFT wasn't doing anything in the live market, might I add) and then Dweez goes on and on to insult him in the end of his post. Very hurting, conceited remarks, IMO.



I will add this though, and it is a fact, no matter how the ZFT want to shade it.
I saw P/O three times over the course of four years. I got to see Napi and Ike. I got to see them share a stage. That was when there was little other option if one wanted to see Zappa played live. (Yes there were, at the time, other tribute bands to Zappa, but P/O was the ONLY one I could see), so sure to me they hold a special place as they were the first band of live people I ever got to witness attempt FZ's music; and for that I will always have a soft spot for them.
ZPZ:
In Aug I will see them for the third time in as many years; and yes, fine they are a better sounding band. But one can hardly blame them, they have access to better equipment more rehearsal time, and possibly some other "things" that outsiders won't. So good for them for being a better band.
But sales are down this year, they are playing smaller venues, maybe we won't have this in five years.
But you know who will likely be touring in five years? That's right.
Sure it may not be official, but lets face it, if P/O was not doing things on the up and up (playing clubs that pay ASCAP fees, ect) then Andre would have been sued beyond poverty by now, so I don't feel bad for the ZFT. Sorry, I just don't.

And fuck you to anyone who wishes to dictate to me how to best appreciate the music of FZ. (Hi Gary!!)

This my dick is bigger than your dick shit is getting so old. dz did not help his cause with his blog, which by the way, he had every right to do. But pontificating for 20 or so paragraphs about something he claims he doesn't care or worry about made him look foolish; which is kinda what he was calling Andre (amongst other things).
Ahh, the irony.

If ZPZ plays for another ten years, I will have seen them each and every time.
If P/O plays another ten I will see them too.
Why?
(I'm pretty sure I've said this before.)
It's about the music, stupid.
It should not about Them vs Us, it really is that simple.

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Well said Billy! Yeah, we're each entitled to opinions over which band's better, etc. etc. - but no copyright lawys were ever broken and they clearly weren't "in it for the money" but for the <gulp> MUSIC... those little black dots! WTF!?!?!

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You trying to get your post count up, Penguin?
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Wait a minute..... Trendy, you were involved in a marriage where the other party turned out to be psycho!?!? Nooooo.... I don't believe it!


You know the phrase "Birds of a Feather"? (another wink)

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Another thing that should be noticed about DZ's response is that he had the final redaction. So unlike seemingly arrogant DNA-"rights" and "depressed-people-are-stupid" remarks in interviews, it was not pulled out of context. It was Dweezil talking. I hope he was having a bad day or that touring has made him crazy.

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Nice call on the post count BBP :wink:

No, I just totally missed this topic all week and had a LOT of catching up to do. I've always supported the freedom of playing live music and know the extents to what P/O have gone through in performing and celebrating Frank's music. I also know the legal crap that they've had to go through with the ZFT in wanting to do so. Sorry for all of my comments in-a-row.... :oops:

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