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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:23 pm 
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Mij wrote:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/giuliani-search-warrant-apartment-1.6005632

"It should be clear from recent events that America's enemy is not the communists over there, but those deranged right-wing lunatics right here"
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They also raided Victoria Toensing her and her husband Joe diGenova are some scummy pieces of work...they were very closely working with Bill Barr also in connection with the Ukraine thing that is being investigated, this could be a real zinger... :smoke:


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:04 am 
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Federal agents searched Rudy Giulian's apartment and office yesterday. It is unusual for agents to search a lawyer's premises. Getting a warrant to search a lawyer, which the investigators had, would require folks at the very top of the Justice Dept. to approve it, probably either the deputy AG, Lisa Monaco, or her predecessor. A federal judge would also have to be persuaded, of course.

Needless to say, no one at the Justice Dept. is talking about what they were looking for. Possibly it relates to Giuliani's lobbying activities in Ukraine, which likely violate the Logan Act. The Feds seized his electronic devices and will no doubt break into them—assuming Giuliani was savvy enough to turn on encryption. However, with him, you never know. Maybe he didn't even set a password.

Manhattan prosecutors have been interested in Giuliani since early 2019. They have also indicted two of his associates, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, both of whom have pleaded not guilty. Of course, it is possible that either or both have ratted on Giuliani to save their own necks.

And this isn't Giuliani's only legal problem. The Fulton County (GA) D.A., Fani Willis, who is looking at whether Donald Trump tried to intimidate the Georgia secretary of state into changing votes, is also looking at Guiliani's role in the election. In particular, he made statements to the Georgia legislature that may have been false. Lying to the state legislature is a crime in Georgia.

On the civil front, Dominion Voting Systems has sued Giuliani for defaming the company by claiming its machines changed votes from Trump to Biden last year. The company wants him to pay $1.3 billion in damages. So Guiliani had a good run for a while, but now with criminal investigations ongoing in two states and a giant defamation lawsuit in progress, he is going to be busy for a while. Good thing he is a lawyer, and will surely be able to handle all of this easily.

read all about it :arrow: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/rudy-giuliani-search-warrant/2021/04/28/e5ba6ed2-a83d-11eb-bca5-048b2759a489_story.html


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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2021 8:15 am 
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Giuliani May Have to Choose between Saving His Own Neck or Trump's

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Former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti, someone who understands how federal prosecutions work in detail, has written an article in Politico stating that Rudy Giuliani is in big trouble and his only way out may be to implicate Donald Trump.

Mariotti notes that the mere fact that federal investigators showed up at Giuliani's home and office with search warrants and seized his computer and other electronic devices tells us that Giuliani is already in very deep doodoo. To get search warrants, the investigators had to show a federal judge actual evidence that Giuliani committed a federal crime and convince the judge that more evidence was likely to be found in his home and/or office. Suspicions and hunches don't count. Federal judges do not issue warrants based on hunches. The fact that a judge issued the warrants means that investigators already have dirt on Giuliani. What they are looking for is more corroboration.

Mariotti thinks that the crime being investigated is a violation of the FARA (Foreign Agents Registration Act), which requires people working for a foreign government to register as such. He thinks that Giuliani was lobbying Trump on behalf of Ukrainian oligarchs and some Ukrainian officials who wanted the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, fired because she was actively opposing the corruption those oligarchs were perpetrating. If Giuliani was being well compensated by the Ukrainians for attempting to get rid of their nemesis, Yovanovitch, and he didn't register under the conditions imposed by the FARA, he would be guilty of a crime.

So far, Giuliani's defense has been "there was no written contract," but Mariotti says that won't work. If you work for a foreign government or its agents and are paid for doing so, you have to register, even if there is no written contract. An oral contract is still a contract in this case.

So what are Giuliani's lawyers going to tell him to say at the trial, if there is one? His best option is to say he was working entirely on Trump's behalf and at his direction, and Trump knew everything he was doing and approved it. Then he could say that he was working to advance the interests of the United States as expressed by the president, not those of a foreign country. That would probably get him off the hook, as carrying out the president's lawful instructions is not a crime.

However, if Giuliani offered that defense, the Justice Dept. would instantly subpoena Trump so they could ask him about it under oath. He would then be subjected to a withering cross examination under oath. This case would not be handed to a couple of summer interns. Given the stakes, the Justice Dept. would use the cream of the crop, the best seasoned prosecutors they have. Trump is well known for lying under oath and would be no match for the Justice Dept.'s top prosecutors. He could easily slip up and lie about something that was easily proven to be false, thus setting himself up for a perjury charge.

If Giuliani uses the "Trump ordered me to do it" defense, Trump could plead the Fifth Amendment. However, he has repeatedly said that doing so makes you look guilty. And given how chaotic and disorganized he is, one has to wonder if he has the discipline to answer every question with "I hereby invoke my Fifth Amendment right not to answer that question." What if the prosecutor said: "Did you commit a federal felony while in office, yes or no?" and Trump pleads the Fifth? How will that look in 2024? If he says no, the prosecutor will have follow-up questions prepared and Trump will quickly forget his lawyers' entire plan.

If Giuliani is indicted and then asks Trump to play along at the trial and Trump refuses, Giuliani will be in a real bind. He could claim Trump told him to do it, but without any backup, that won't get him very far, especially if Yovanovitch knows more than she let on in her House testimony. Then Giuliani's lawyers could say the only way to avoid prison is to flip and rat on Trump concerning the Jan. 6 insurrection and a lot more. If Giuliani learns that Trump won't come to his aid, he could easily conclude it's every man for himself.

Mariotti's article :arrow: https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/05/02/giuliani-trump-legal-trouble-485186


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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2021 9:47 am 
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What a great time to sit back, eat some popcorn, and enjoy the show.
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 10:20 am 
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Last week, federal agents raided Rudy Giuliani's residence and seized a bunch of evidence, including paperwork and computers. And yesterday, the feds asked Judge J. Paul Oetken to appoint a special master to examine the evidence on their behalf. A special master, as you may recall from the Michael Cohen case, is an independent legal expert—often a former judge—used to filter information seized in the course of an investigation, separating that which is relevant to the task at hand from that which is irrelevant or is covered by attorney-client privilege.

It is not terribly unusual to engage a special master in cases like this, but it's usually at the instigation of the defense, and not, as is the case here, the prosecution. Everything that has happened in the last week suggests that the feds have Giuliani dead to rights (or very close to it). Things don't get this far unless the DoJ thinks that they have enough evidence to make it worthwhile, and one or more federal judges is convinced there is plenty of fire behind the smoke. Meanwhile, taking the initiative on the special master makes clear that the feds are making very sure to cross all their t's and dot all their i's, and to manage public perception of the case. They know full well that Giuliani will try to make the case in court or in public (or both) that he was treated unfairly and that there's a conspiracy afoot.

Charges have not been brought yet, but things are clearly headed in that direction. And when and if that does come to pass, that is when America's Former Mayor is really in trouble. Once the DoJ decides to move forward with charges against a defendant, they get a conviction more than 99% of the time. With that kind of record, nearly all defendants in that situation (98%) plead guilty rather than going to trial. Giuliani seems likely to join that crowd, very possibly throwing Trump under the bus as part of the conditions of his plea agreement.


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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 3:36 pm 
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"throwing Trump under the bus" ?

I WANT MY RING SIDE SEAT !!!
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I hate to be the one to say it as I dislike Giuliani as much as anyone. However, I don't think anything will come of this. If history has anything to say this is just another political runaround/distraction. While everyone sits in front of the TV grinding their teeth at a politically irrelevant old man who will likely be dead in less than 10 years anyway. Fuck this guy. There are more important things to worry about.

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There are some Trump lackeys who are absolutely willing to go full G. Gordon Liddy, and take the fall on their Dear Leader's behalf. However, Giuliani does not give off the vibe that he is among them, and on Thursday, Team Giuliani, with son Andrew Giuliani doing the talking, began to make clear that is the case. Starting gently, young Giuliani observed, for anyone who might be listening, that it sure would be nice for the former president to help out with the legal bills, and noting that, "The nut may crack in the next 36 hours. Once President Trump actually understands that his lead counsel was not indemnified, he's going to resolve this very quickly." Translation, for those who don't speak blackmail: "You better step up, Donnie, or the feds are going to get an earful."

There is no guarantee that Trump will yield to the pressure; he didn't with Cohen, for example, when the same threat was made. There's also no guarantee that Rudy's silence is going to stay bought, even if it's purchased right now. Hefty legal fees are a downer, particularly if they force you to pare your entourage from five to just two people, and your cigar budget from $12,000 to under $5,000. However, they are not nearly so bad as spending the next decade or so in the hoosegow (which, for the 76-year-old Giuliani, could be a life sentence). Anyhow, odds are that a very unhappy divorce is coming, sooner or later. Which is something that, let's be honest, both men have a lot of experience with.

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Rudy Giuliani suspended from practicing law in New York state


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:46 am 
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Yesterday, the New York State Bar suspended Rudy Giuliani's law license, for making "demonstrably false and misleading statements to courts" and because his conduct "immediately threatens the public interest and warrants interim suspension from the practice of law."

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There is much about this that is unusual. To start, lawyers have an awful lot of leeway when it comes to representing their clients' interests, and so being suspended for bending the truth is not common. Further, Giuliani hasn't even had a full hearing yet; the "danger" was deemed to be so imminent that the five-judge panel exercised their right to be proactive and to act immediately. And, of course, Giuliani was once among the best-known and most-respected lawyers in the land. To fall so far, so fast is not common (though F. Lee Bailey also managed the trick).

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It is possible that, once Giuliani gets a full hearing, he'll get his license back. But don't bet on it. The judges explained their preliminary ruling in a 33-page report, and it is a takedown of epic proportions. They essentially catalogued each of the lies he peddled after the election, and then shot each one full of holes. Perhaps they were just being thorough but, reading it over, one senses they enjoyed putting America's (former) Mayor in his place. The folks who end up on Bar hearing boards generally do not take kindly to those whom they believe to have shamed the profession.

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Losing his license, whether temporarily or permanently, is pretty embarrassing, though it's not Giuliani's biggest headache right now. He's also got the massive civil suit from Smartmatic hanging over his head, not to mention the possibility of criminal prosecution due to his dealings with Ukraine. There may also be legal exposure that is not publicly known; after all, he was also on the infamous Trump phone call to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R), and he also egged on the crowd on 1/6. There has been much talk about Trump possibly fleeing the country to a non-extradition country. Given Giuliani's civil and criminal exposure, and that he seems to be closer to paying the piper than Trump is, we wouldn't put it past Rudy to be the one who flees.

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a takedown of epic proportions :arrow: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/06/rudy-giuliani-law-license-suspended-hilarious.html


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