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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 1:46 pm 
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Seriously, someone here commented that his brother wrote in his book one day Frank came back and said something to that effect. Was he serious or just mocking his brother? Who was the first Rock band to use the cornuto hand sign?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:04 pm 
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It surely wasn't Gene!

Ronnie James Dio's take - https://youtu.be/TP9_i41y_HE


Gene Simmons - https://youtu.be/sOt_lUvQgXs

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coevad wrote:
It surely wasn't Gene!

Ronnie James Dio's take - https://youtu.be/TP9_i41y_HE


Gene Simmons - https://youtu.be/sOt_lUvQgXs

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The 1969 back album cover for Witchcraft Destroys Minds & Reaps Souls on Mercury Records by Chicago-based psychedelic-occult rock band Coven, led by singer Jinx Dawson, pictured Coven band members giving the "sign of the horns" correctly[citation needed] and included a Black Mass poster showing members at a ritual making the sign. Starting in early 1968, Coven concerts always began and ended with Dawson giving the sign on stage. This began the common use in heavy metal music.

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Never heard of them...

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He was probably talking about Warner Brothers.

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Mr_Green_Genes wrote:
coevad wrote:
It surely wasn't Gene!

Ronnie James Dio's take - https://youtu.be/TP9_i41y_HE


Gene Simmons - https://youtu.be/sOt_lUvQgXs

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The 1969 back album cover for Witchcraft Destroys Minds & Reaps Souls on Mercury Records by Chicago-based psychedelic-occult rock band Coven, led by singer Jinx Dawson, pictured Coven band members giving the "sign of the horns" correctly[citation needed] and included a Black Mass poster showing members at a ritual making the sign. Starting in early 1968, Coven concerts always began and ended with Dawson giving the sign on stage. This began the common use in heavy metal music.

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Never heard of them...

Coven is referenced in 200 Motels (in the animated sequence with Jeff) and also in Billy the Mountain (Coven -Witchcraft!). There's a really old thread talking about this if somebody wants to dig it up.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:09 am 
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It's not really worth digging up.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:11 am 
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i actually clicked on that.
i blame you guys.



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:54 am 
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So this Conven guys pretty much started this whole satanic rock link?

Also, from the same wiki entry above:
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Frank Zappa can be seen jokingly making the gesture in the 1979 film Baby Snakes in response to the audience, commenting, "That's right, spindle twice."

Can anyone help me pinpoint the exact or approximate year his brother Bob Zappa was referring to?

Also, is it reasonable to assume Frank used the cornuto sign before it was mainstream popular (i.e. Dio, Gene, heavy metal)?

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Hell's Bells - The Dangers of Rock N Roll
https://youtu.be/2kP_7HmsTDE?t=38m56s

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:00 am 
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Would anybody here be willing and able to provide me a short transcription of this passage (see first post) in Bobby Zappa's book, please?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:46 am 
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pages 193/194 of frankie & bobbie, b.zappa wrote:
once frank came bursting into my room
shouting, "i just saw a ufo!" i was convinced frank's
development had entered yet another orbit and that he'd
gone deeper into the twilight zone - a tv show we
never missed

he also became interested in weird things like
the occult and magic. he drew monsters and alien
creatures in pencil and charcoal and even wrote a few
stories about them. by this time neither of us had
attended church for ages

i began to feel unnerved as i wondered where
these bizarre interests of frank's were headed. he told
me one day that he was going to try to find a copy of a
book called the necromancer's manual

the necromancer's manual was supposed to be
a "how-to" reference book for black magic and spells
from the middle ages. it contained records of court
cases of people who were brought up on charges for
using magic

it was also supposed to have instructions on
how to devise and use magic spells. frank's research said
necromancy was the most extreme form of magical
practice and involved summoning demons. frank said
he wanted to see if it was possible to actually conjure up
a demon and make it do his bidding

that was all too spooky for me but as much as
frank tried to frighten me, and others, i think he was
genuinely just curious and having fun

he never did find a copy of the manual, so i
don't know how much further he went with all that later
in his life but one time he said cryptically, "i made a
bargain with the devil." maybe that's why he had such
bad luck in london, montreux, and with his health


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:33 am 
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Thanks, amigo. That is quiet unexpected, I guess. He has gone on record saying "I saw an UFO, once". I was also kind of surprised Frank attended church until around 18 years old.

So maybe there is more to tities n beer than stage humor?

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mr_green_genes wrote:
... So maybe there is more to titties n beer than stage humor? ...
the stravinsky/titties ‘n beer cc:


l'histoire du soldat

scene 1: a soldier, on his way home on leave is accosted by an old
man (the devil in disguise) who attempts to push a book on him; the
old man assures him that the book will bring him wealth untold & that
he will gladly exchange it for the soldier's cheap old fiddle - the
soldier agrees but soon finds he can't make heads or tails of the
book; the devil proposes a simple deal: come stay at my house
for a few days; you can teach me to play this fiddle while i teach
you the ways of the book; the soldier agrees...

scene 2: satisfied, the soldier finds himself back on the road, but as
soon as he reaches his village, he discovers that he wasn't at the devil's
house for just 3 days; 3 years have passed, his fiancé has married &
has children, his friends & family run from him in horror thinking that he
is a ghost ... disgusted, & realizing who the old man really is, he throws
the book away, but the devil, disguised as a cattle merchant, appears &
convinces him to take up the book again...

scene 3: the soldier is indeed wealthy, but all his wealth can't please him since
he has lost the only things that matter: his family & his fiancé; the devil, this
time disguised as an old woman, appears to sell him his fiddle, but when the
soldier finds he can no longer play it, he throws the fiddle away again & tears
the book to shreds...

scene 4: the soldier comes to a town where the king’s daughter [chrissy] is ill, a reward
of the princesses’ hand has been offered to whoever can cure her; a fellow soldier
in a bar convinces the soldier to give it a shot & the soldier again meets the devil ...
they play cards, the soldier, in the progress of the game, realizes that the only way
to win back his old life is to lose all his money to the devil; the devil falls defeated &
the soldier triumphantly reclaims his fiddle...

scene 5: the soldier finds he is able to cure the princess of her illness with his
music & his pickle; at the close of the scene he makes the devil dance a jig to
his tune...

scene 6: the newlyweds are happy as they have never been; the princess begs
to be introduced to the soldier's family, but the soldier, who realizes that to leave
the kingdom would put him again under the spell of the devil, refuses, but he can't
resist the temptation of his wife's titties & so agrees; as they cross the frontier,
the inevitable happens & the devil dances his triumphant dance...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjdppfI-4vI

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:09 am 
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Very, very interesting, thanks for taking your time to tell us more about the roots of Chrissy, the devil and his famous pickle, slime...

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& the "fuckin' mask"

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:47 pm 
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(my) Conclusion:

Zappa didn't believe in the devil.


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That's pretty interesting slime. Are you sure the words "pickle" and "titties" are in the text though? :)

I wonder if Charlie Daniels was a fan of Stravinsky too.


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downer mydnyte wrote:
(my) Conclusion:

Zappa didn't believe in the devil.


Frank Zappa - Devil Worshipper?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSp5nfckxrg

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^ Hey, thanks, GG. Now I won't be merely speculating when I say Zappa didn't believe in the devil. He actually said, "I don't believe in the devil". Great. Because some folks need evidence, even when something is so obviously implicit.


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He did acknowledge about "a whole wide range of manifestations that people have not yet properly named" in the lost interviews...
https://youtu.be/qRtIRvztbwY?t=3m30s

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FZ wrote:
Some people would say this is a SIN. And if you SIN you're gonna go to HELL. Well ladies and gentlemen: There ain't no hell.
There is no such thing as hell.
There is no hell,
There is only...


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Make A Jazz Noise Here, When Yuppies Go To Hell wrote:

FZ: Goin' to hell! Goin' to hell!
Goin' to hell! Goin' to hell!
Goin' to hell!
Goin' to hell! Goin' to hell!
Goin' to hell! Goin' to hell!
Goin' to hell!

FZ: Goin' to hell! Goin' to hell! Goin' to hell! Goin' to hell! Goin' to hell! Goin' to hell! Goin' to hell! Goin' to hell! Goin' to hell! Goin' to hell! Goin' to hell! Goin' to hell!

FZ: Goin' to hell! Goin' to hell!
No, I'm not
FZ: Goin' to hell!
No, I'm not!
FZ: Goin' to hell!
No, I'm not!
FZ: Goin' to hell!
No, I'm not!
There ain't no such place as hell!
So I sure can't go there
FZ: Jay-zus! Jay-zus! Jay-zus!
If you believe in that place
FZ: Jay-zus!
FZ: Goin' to hell!
FZ: Jay-zus!
FZ: Goin' to hell!
I don't believe in hell
There just ain't no place like hell
(Eww, that's really gross!)

...also in Fire And Chains wrote:
Woaaaaaa-aaaaaah!
SATAN?
Senator Hawkins: Fire and chains
Fire and chains and fire and chains
Fire and chains and fire and chains
Senator Hollings: So, I'll be looking from this Senator's standpoint, not just to bring pressures but to try to see if there is some constitutional provisions to tax, or approach that can be used on the Congress to limit this outrageous filth.
Senator Hollings: Maybe I could make a good rock star.
Outrageous filth
Outrageous filth
Oh, outrageous filth down there
Senator Hawkins: Fire and chains
Fire and chains
Fire 'n chains . . . it's over there
Senator Hawkins: Fire and chains and fire and chains and fire and chains and fire and chains and fire and chains and
Fire and chains

Adrian Belew, in King Crimson wrote:
Nobody knows what happens when you die
Believe in what you want
It doesn't mean you're right
That is a fact of life...

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