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Ooooh! 60 Miles of what even Ann Coulter describes as a "fence".

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"Suppress the feelings' of voters" ???
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/d3ap97/trump-says-polls-that-show-him-losing-suppress-the-feelings-of-voters

I'd say it's been replaced by a better understanding.
Some folks are awakening.
About time.
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Ooooh! 60 Miles of what even Ann Coulter describes as a "fence".



The repair fence of the existing fence is not what people had in mind when they were promised a wall paid for by Mexico... :idea:


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Now we reach a higher degree here. This administration is now lying about lying
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/29/politics/donald-trump-kayleigh-mcenany-stephanie-grisham/index.html

If it makes the brainwashed zombies (his fan base) happy, why not ?
The folks with a working brain know the Truth is stranger to this administration.
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"One of the most corrupt places on Earth". That's what Trump said about Puerto Rico.
https://globalnews.ca/news/5829170/hurricane-dorian-puerto-rico/

Trump is always lying. So, Puerto Rico must be the less corrupted place on Earth.
Take the contrary of what Trump says and you get the Truth.
It works mostly all the time.
In fact, it's the only way to know the Truth with Trump.
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How does Donald Trump change a lightbulb?
He holds the bulb and waits for the world to revolve around him.

Trump is like a diaper Self absorbed and full of shit

"I'm voting for Trump because he speaks his mind."
Well, so does my two year old. It doesn't mean she's right for office

Donald Trump is what happens when you tell a child all his ideas are special.

”Donald Trump will never let you down!”
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Trump says nobody will be a better president than him.
He's right. Having nobody as president would be better.

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Plook wrote:
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Ooooh! 60 Miles of what even Ann Coulter describes as a "fence".



The repair fence of the existing fence is not what people had in mind when they were promised a wall paid for by Mexico... :idea:


I'm guessing that if you had dogs going through part of your damaged fence to get to your cat , or deer going through the same damaged part to get to your garden , you would leave the damaged part there and build around it.
Yeah , sounds about right.


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^^^Hey all this repair is due to President Obama and it is needed, but nothing that Cheat-o has done as got one foot of functional wall built and not one penny has come from Mexico


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Plook wrote:
^^^Hey all this repair is due to President Obama and it is needed, but nothing that Cheat-o has done as got one foot of functional wall built and not one penny has come from Mexico


Wow ! :shock:
Is there ANYTHING that Obama didn't do ??
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C'mon , Plook , you're not that stupid.

By SUZANNE GAMBOA

updated 1/14/2011 8:34:55 PM ET
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WASHINGTON — The Obama administration on Friday ended a high-tech southern border fence plan that cost taxpayers nearly $1 billion but did little to improve security. Congress ordered the high-tech fence in 2006 amid a clamor over the porous border, but the project yielded only 53 miles of protection.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/41083850/ns/u ... Wh42OhKhdg


IMMIGRATION
The Wall Is Being Built! (Slowly.)
By JIM GERAGHTY
June 29, 2018 6:30 AM

Construction workers place a section of new bollard wall on the U.S.-Mexico border in Santa Teresa, N.M., April 23, 2018. (Jose Luis Gonzalez/Reuters)
The U.S. government is currently installing sections of Trump’s 30-foot-high wall in three places.
The good news for those who wish to see a wall built along the U.S.–Mexican border is that U.S. Customs and Border Protection has built seven miles of 30-foot-high wall in the past few months, and roughly 30 more miles of high fencing are slated for construction.

The bad news is that there’s still a lot of border to go.


New reports from Carlos Diaz, southwest branch chief of the U.S. Customs and Border Patrol, indicate that one of the three current wall projects is nearly complete, another is about a quarter of the way done, and one just began earlier this month.

The first border-wall construction project began in February near downtown Calexico, Calif., roughly 120 miles east of San Diego. Here, construction contractor SWF Constructors, of Omaha, Neb., is putting up a 30-foot high “bollard-style wall” to replace 2.25 miles of wall built in the 1990s out of recycled scraps of metal and steel plates. (The bollard style uses bars, so that border patrol officers can see through to the other side.)

When construction began, the agency stated, “Although the existing wall has proven effective at deterring unlawful cross border activity, smuggling organizations damaged and breached this outdated version of a border wall several hundred times during the last two years, resulting in costly repairs.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/06/ ... lt-slowly/


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Caputh wrote:
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Ooooh! 60 Miles of what even Ann Coulter describes as a "fence".


It's actually now over 135 miles (w/ 1 mile on average per week being built).


And btw, what Trump meant when he said Mexico will pay for the wall, was that once all or most of the wall is completed, the US will save BILLIONS of dollars per year not having to deal with as many illegals - many of which, are murdering, raping and violently assaulting Americans by the tens of thousands per year. It's a figure of speech, geniuses. :roll:

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^^ Yeah, right. That’s exactly how he framed it in his campaign. :roll: Figure of speech my ass. It’s called lying or at the very least promising things you know you can’t deliver ( oh wait, that’s the same thing as lying).


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You are now complaining about "what aboutisms" by using a "what aboutism" and crying about it for days.

Who is "the Left" btw?

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As opposed to psychaitric giants like yourself, who are not doctors, but are blessed with telepathic powers.

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Ahhh - so you're the voice of sanity. :wink:

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Ahhh - so you're the voice of sanity. :wink:

:?
What sanity can be found in a White Supremacist ?
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The Magic Phone
https://www.esquire.com/uk/latest-news/a28866897/donald-trump-reportedly-misrepresented-trade-phone-calls-with-china/

Only to keep his fan base quiet. They'll believe anything.
What a blessing to have a gullible fan base !
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Trump's love of Putin knows no bound
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/29/politics/trump-ukraine-military-assistance/index.html

One day we'll learn what is the fundation of this love.That may prove to be ugly...
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Oh, not nice !
https://nypost.com/2019/08/30/former-canadian-prime-minister-roots-for-dorian-to-hit-trumps-mar-a-lago/

It would be better it Dorian hit that spot only. Puerto Ricans couls send some paper towels...
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It would be better if Dorian hit that spot only. Puerto Ricans could send some paper towels... :mrgreen:
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All that FAKE... Well, it does begin somewhere. Found !
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Pathetic coward
http://forum.zappa.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=26803&start=13276

Talk, talk, talk... All that blahblahblah but
can't prove a single thing !
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Pathetic coward
http://forum.zappa.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=26803&start=13276

Can't prove a single thing !
:P


Don't need to. 99% of what you posted is false, out of context, made up or hysterical liberal TDS. Meaningless drivel and the ramblings of a mental patient.


And you can't prove it ? That proves I'm right !
You're a big pile of blahblahblah, lazy coward.
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Trump wants his ass licked. What are you waiting for ?
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Ooooh! 60 Miles of what even Ann Coulter describes as a "fence".


It's actually now over 135 miles (w/ 1 mile on average per week being built).


And btw, what Trump meant when he said Mexico will pay for the wall, was that once all or most of the wall is completed, the US will save BILLIONS of dollars per year not having to deal with as many illegals - many of which, are murdering, raping and violently assaulting Americans by the tens of thousands per year. It's a figure of speech, geniuses. :roll:


Oh. I'd never realized that Trump would employ such a Shakesperian device as "figurative" language.
Could you employ your literary analysis to inform us lesser beings about where Trump is particularly figurative in the following quotes?

"Our border is being breached daily by criminals. We must build a wall & deduct costs from Mexican foreign aid!"
(April, 2015)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... ation.html

"ISIS is operating a training camp 8 miles outside our Southern border. We need a wall. Deduct costs from Mexico!" (April, 2015)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 4819258369

"I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I’ll build them very inexpensively, I will build a great, great wall on our southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall." (June, 2015)
https://time.com/3923128/donald-trump-a ... nt-speech/

“And, by the way, Mexico will pay for it. It’s going to be a great wall.”
(August, 2015)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/face-the-n ... stie-cruz/

".@AnnCoulter has been amazing. We will win and establish strong borders, we will build a WALL and Mexico will pay. We will be great again!" (January, 2016)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... wsrc%5Etfw

"Mexico will pay for the wall!" (September, 2016)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... wsrc%5Etfw

“(The US] will generate revenue from Mexico that will pay for the wall.”
(March, 2016)
https://factba.se/transcript/donald-tru ... ry-26-2017

"The dishonest media does not report that any money spent on building the Great Wall (for sake of speed), will be paid back by Mexico later!" (January, 2017)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 3374831617

"Dishonest media says Mexico won't be paying for the wall if they pay a little later so the wall can be built more quickly. Media is fake!"
(January, 2017)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 9323368448

"Let me, let me tell you something about the wall. So I’ve always said we have to have a wall. I’ve also said Mexico’s got to pay for it—sometimes you know on occasion, I’d add who’s going to pay for it? Mexico. Well they will pay for it, OK? There are many forms of payment. I could name 10 right now. There are many forms of payment, I didn’t say how."
(January, 2017)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/transcript ... 1515715481

"Eventually, but at a later date so we can get started early, Mexico will be paying, in some form, for the badly needed border wall." (April, 2017)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 6932700164

"Q Thank you. If I may follow up on one other question from earlier — the southern border wall. Is your plan still to have Mexico pay for the wall?
PRESIDENT TRUMP: Yes, they will. One way or the other, Mexico is going to pay for the wall. That’s right. It may be through reimbursement, but one way or the other, Mexico will pay for the wall."
(August, 2017)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/transcript ... 1515715481

"Mr. Trump: Let me, let me tell you something about the wall. So I’ve always said we have to have a wall. I’ve also said Mexico’s got to pay for it—sometimes you know on occasion, I’d add who’s going to pay for it? Mexico. Well they will pay for it, OK? There are many forms of payment. I could name 10 right now. There are many forms of payment, I didn’t say how.
WSJ: Could you give us an example?
Mr. Trump: They can pay for it through, as an example, they can pay for it indirectly through Nafta. OK? You know, we make a good deal on Nafta, say I’m going to take a small percentage of that money and it’s going to go toward the wall. Guess what? Mexico’s paying. Now Mexico may not want to make the Nafta deal and which is OK, then I’ll terminate Nafta…which I think would be frankly a positive for our country. I don’t think it’s a positive for Mexico, I don’t think it’s a positive for the world. But it’s a positive for our country because I’d make a much better deal. There is no deal that I can make on Nafta that’s as good as if I terminate Nafta and make a new deal. OK? But I feel that we have a chance of making a reasonable deal, the way it is now."
(January, 2018)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/transcript ... 1515715481

Point me to the statement above which refers to Mexico paying "figuaritively" for the "fence" by saving "BILLIONS of dollars per year not having to deal with as many illegals."




As to the "many illegals - many of which, are murdering, raping and violently assaulting Americans by the tens of thousands per year" who is providing you with these figures? Certainly not research, which concludes...

"An estimated 1,926,390 native-born Americans, 106,431 illegal immigrants, and 52,424 legal immigrants were incarcerated in 2017. The incarceration rate for native-born Americans was 1,471 per 100,000; 756 per 100,000 for illegal immigrants; and 364 per 100,000 for legal immigrants in 2017 . Illegal immigrants are 49 percent less likely to be incarcerated than native-born Americans. Legal immigrants are 75 percent less likely to be incarcerated than natives. If native-born Americans were incarcerated at the same rate as illegal immigrants, about 943,000 fewer natives would be incarcerated. Conversely, if natives were incarcerated at the same rate as legal immigrants, about 1.45 million fewer natives would be in adult correctional facilities."
https://www.cato.org/publications/immig ... mographics

"Based on estimates of the non-citizen population going back to 1955, [in Texas] they are less likely to be arrested for homicide."
https://www.cato.org/blog/white-houses- ... ants-crime

"Commentators also disproportionately blame immigrants for sex assaults and sex offenses. This brief combines sexual assault and sexual offense into the criminal category of sex crimes. There were 28.6 sex crime convictions of illegal immigrants per 100,000 in 2015, about 7.9 percent fewer than for native-born Americans in the same year . The sex crime conviction rate for legal immigrants was 69 percent below that of natives. There were many fewer sex crime convictions against immigrants, including illegal immigrants, than against native-born Americans in Texas in 2015."
https://www.cato.org/publications/immig ... -immigrant

What makes Trump's claims stastically difficult to dispute is the fact that...
"There is no national database that compares crimes committed by immigration status. In fact, only one state – Texas – does so."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fact-ch ... d=60311860

On the other hand, this tends to indicate that Trump and, indeed, DB have no actual figures to support their statements. The only stastically valid data i.e. from Texas, utterly refute their suppositions.

I'm also wondering where you get your monthly figure of 135 miles of "fence", which, weirdly enough hasn't increased since January 2019. I mean, if you've got it -show it. The only sources I can find cite the following figures...
60 miles (the Trump friendly New York Post, which claims that 450 miles will still be constructed)
https://nypost.com/2019/08/28/video-sho ... rder-wall/

And a BBC source, which is admittedly from June, 2019.
"About 40 miles of replacement barriers have so far been completed, with construction of a further 55 miles now under way.
Department of Defense funding is also paying for an additional 131 miles."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46824649

All other sources provide something in between the two above.

You claim a building rate of a mile a week. Great, that means that, as the border is 1954 miles long, the "fence" will be completed in 1819 weeks = 34 years, according to your figures.

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