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 Post subject: Frank and The Doors
PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:02 am 
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I'm a huge Doors fan... have been for quite some time.  In more than a few Doors biographies (there's about a million of them... most complete garbage), Frank's name gets mentioned around 1966 when The Doors were just getting to be well known on the strip, working at the London Fog and then the Whisky.<br><br>Specifically, the numerous books have mentioned that while the Doors were the house band at the London Fog (before they had a record deal), that Mr. Zappa expressed interest in recording and producing The Doors.<br><br>Unfortunately, nothing I've been able to track down has gone into any more detail other than Frank liked the group and wanted to work with them.  Does anyone know any more about this subject?


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 Post subject: Re: Frank and The Doors
PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 1:06 pm 
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[font=arial]Always believed FZ thought Jim Morrison was a bit of a tosser...??[/font]


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 Post subject: Re: Frank and The Doors
PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 1:47 pm 
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Yes, check out Tiny Sick Tears for an idea about what FZ thought of The Doors

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 Post subject: re: frank and the doors
PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:24 pm 
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from the riddled-with-errors-'n-speculation miles book:<br><br>pam z was banging morrison in may '66, doors were the house band at the whiskey in l.a....zappa was sufficiently impressed by morrison's music to ask if he could produce them; doors were still looking for a record contract & didn't wanna be tied to a producer [chumps]<br><br>frank totally disapproved of jimbo because he left rolling papers, seeds, etc. all over his living room<br><br>listen to tiny sick tearson ycdtos4 or the 200 motels boot [[font=times new roman]all right zubin hit it[/font]]; frank's devastating parody of morrison's the end<br><br>[table][tr][td]
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 Post subject: Re: Frank and The Doors
PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:53 pm 
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According to TRFZB, Frank said that Gail and Mr. Jimmie were childhood pals, and that she once HIT HIM OVER THE HEAD WITH A HAMMER....perhaps this explains some of his later "behaviors" ::)

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 Post subject: Re: Frank and The Doors
PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:12 am 
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A little trivia note for ya,<br><br>? was actually Jimmie "Mouth Of The South" Hart from pro wrestling fame.  (Theres gotta be some Conceptual Continuity in there some where)


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 Post subject: Re: Frank and The Doors
PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:11 am 
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Didja know that Arthur Barrow played synth on "An American Prayer" before he joined Zappa's band and played in one of Robbie Krieger's solo bands? He also did some stuff for the movie. Here's the list of the Doors-related stuff he did:<br><br>THE DOORS: An American Prayer, The Doors ( the movie), (laserdisc). Electrocomp and Serge Synthesizer on "The Movie", which was also later used in the opening of the Oliver Stone movie "The Doors". Vox Organ and Rhodes Piano Bass in the soundtrack to the movie "The Doors" pretending to be Ray Manzarek pretending to be himself at an early Doors rehearsal. (How's that for confusing?) Bass on "The End" on Doors laserdisc of video shot at Lotek Studio. <br><br>ROBBIE KRIEGER: Versions, Door Jams, No Habla, Robbie Krieger. Live concert tours of US in early 1980's. Bass, Keyboards, Arranger, Co-writer.<br><br>You can check out who else he worked with at  http://pw1.netcom.com/~bigear/awbpage1.html .<br>

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 Post subject: Re: Frank and The Doors
PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:37 am 
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THe Doors and Jim Morrison get mentioned in a couple of songs but I always thought of "If Only She Woulda" from You Are What You Is to be the ultimate The Doors parody in the Zappa catalog. Check out the use of that electric organ (or whatever the instrument's proper name is).

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 Post subject: re: frank and the doors
PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:34 am 
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[quote author=billy link=board=legends;num=1107896558;start=0#9 date=02/09/05 at 09:11:16]Didja know that Arthur Barrow played synth on "An American Prayer" before he joined Zappa's band and played in one of Robbie Krieger's solo bands? He also did some stuff for the movie. Here's the list of the Doors-related stuff he did...[/quote]<br><br>[quote author=cor_bovinum link=board=legends;num=1107896558;start=0#10 date=02/09/05 at 10:37:23]...I always thought of "If Only She Woulda" from You Are What You Is to be the ultimate The Doors parody in the Zappa catalog. Check out the use of that electric organ...[/quote]<br>yea, that's what comes to mind when i hear that song and arthur barrow played the ray manzarek organ variations on the track

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 Post subject: Re: Frank and The Doors
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I can't really imagine what Zappa produced Doors music would sound like.  The Doors were pretty fortunate to have such a great producer in Paul Rothchild and an even better engineer in Bruce Botnik.  The only time they lost Botnik was for their final album "Full Circle" and that was a complete pile of shit.<br><br>Forgive the completely naive question, but was Frank producing other local tallent at the time?


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[quote author=Lumpy Gravy link=board=legends;num=1107896558;start=0#4 date=02/08/05 at 19:09:04]<br><br>They were Question Mark and the Mysterians.<br><br>question mark (get it?) was the singer.[/quote] Not to beat a dead horse,but....<br><br>Did you know that ? and the Mysterians, Don Preston, and the members of Grand Funk Railroad were all from the same city that Keith Moon allegedly drove a car into a swimming pool on his 21st burpday? <br><br><br>                            8) Flint Mi. 8)<br><br>Now hows that for conceptual continuity?

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[quote author=Milton_Bradley link=board=legends;num=1107896558;start=0#14 date=02/09/05 at 12:28:27]<br> Did you know that ? and the Mysterians, Don Preston, and the members of Grand Funk Railroad were all from the same city that Keith Moon allegedly drove a car into a swimming pool on his 21st burpday? <br><br><br>                            8) Flint Mi. 8)<br><br>Now hows that for conceptual continuity?[/quote]<br><br>THat's more like a geography lesson.<br>

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 Post subject: Re: Frank and The Doors
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So be it.<br>

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 Post subject: Re: Frank and The Doors
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[quote author=Igotsomeonme link=board=legends;num=1107896558;start=0#8 date=02/09/05 at 05:12:44]A little trivia note for ya,<br><br>? was actually Jimmie "Mouth Of The South" Hart from pro wrestling fame.  (Theres gotta be some Conceptual Continuity in there some where)[/quote]<br><br>Incorrect. ? was born Rudy Martinez. The band has gotten back together and was on one of those where-are-they-now shows on VH1 some time ago.<br><br>http://96tears.net/


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 Post subject: Re: Frank and The Doors
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Jimmy Hart was actually in a band called the Gentrys.<br><br>


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 Post subject: Re: Frank and The Doors
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Album Review: Robby Krieger - The Ritual Begins at Sundown
After 10 years of studio silence, Robby Krieger returns with a killer Frank Zappa album.

The lede is not literal, of course. But the former Doors guitarist, in tandem with FZ alumni co-writer/co-producer Arthur Barrow, drummer Chad Wackerman, keyboardist Tommy Mars and horn players Jock Ellis and Sal Marquez, channel the head Mother shamelessly and with the chops to back it up on the Ritual Begins at Sundown.
Fine-tuned on stages before being transferred to the studio, the eight originals and two covers bear all sorts of Zappa hallmarks like odd time signatures, quirky tempo shifts and an overarching unconventional quality that keep them interesting over repeated spins.

Recalling the jazzy, instrumental stylings of 1982’s Versions, Krieger even plays like Zappa, taking occasional detours into Jeremy Spencer territory on the languid “Slide Home” and soaring like David Gilmour on his recasting of the Doors’ “Yes, the River Knows.”

But even without a carbon copy of “Chunga’s Revenge,” it would be hard to call the Ritual Begins at Sundown anything but an homage to Zappa, something Krieger and his bandmates seem to allude to on the opening track, when the LP’s only words, also the song’s title - What was that? - pop out of the speakers.

It wasn’t Zappa. But the Ritual Begins at Sundown sure sounds like him.

Grade card: Robby Krieger - The Ritual Begins at Sundown - A-

September the 1st, 2020.

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 Post subject: Re: Frank and The Doors
PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:28 am 
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^^A fine team!

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 Post subject: Re: Frank and The Doors
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Got to be worth a listen.....

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 Post subject: Re: Frank and The Doors
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Hmm.....very interesting! I will have to check it out. (The Doors were the first band
I saw live. Saw them two times. Once in 1968 with Jim Morrison and in 1971 at
Carnegie Hall without Morrison.)


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 Post subject: Re: Frank and The Doors
PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:37 am 
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^^See me two times?

Now seriously, I envy you...

Coincidentally, I was just watching this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrDsSPtZOu4

Around 1:17 you can see Krieger with a black-eye. Apparently he took a jab destined at Morrison in a bar...

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 Post subject: Re: Frank and The Doors
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Robby Krieger (+ Frank Zappa Alumni) Share Funky Live Video of ‘The Hitch,’ from Krieger’s New LP Out Now

https://www.rockcellarmagazine.com/robb ... row-zappa/

and not only but also The Drift

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdo00ov ... mb_rel_end

complete with links to all the tracks from Robby's album The Ritual Begins at Sundown

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