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 Post subject: Re: Laurel Canyon
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:16 am 
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Yes yes...I've seen that show, and even though I don't swallow anything whole from corporate media, I do tend to think that the USA did actually land on the moon.

(Mythbusters swore off any 9/11 talk...they want to keep their show.)

But...did you watch the video at the link I posted? The creator of the video makes an awesome case that Kubrick was trying to tell us that he DID fake the moon landing.

I'm not saying it's true...I'm saying the video makes a fascinating case that it is true.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:35 am 
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OK I was worried you were a conspiracist, if you're not a big believer you can still be a little believer... In Earth - The Power Of The Planet, too, there's a segment where the host visits the base that shoots that laser at the reflectors. Did you know every year the moon goes farther away from us by 50 cm, a foot and a half? That's the rate at which fingernails grow.
Haven't watched the vid you posted yet, but I'm a huge Kubrick fan and I will see it eventually.

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Fingernails grow a foot and a half per year? Holy shit!


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 Post subject: Re: Laurel Canyon
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I just saw "Mondo Hollywood". I viewed the film in connection with research related to the Laurel Canyon series posted here.

The film is steeped in satanic ritual/symbolism and suggested child pedophilia activity. I feel it's a chilling yet important document to show people what (a small section) the scene was like. It's even more disturbing when you learn the tragic fate of several of the films participants.

Frank thought it was only one guy from the C.I.A. creeping around Laurel Canyon. There were in fact, hundreds .

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Voodoo_Butter wrote:
I just saw "Mondo Hollywood". I viewed the film in connection with research related to the Laurel Canyon series posted here.

The film is steeped in satanic ritual/symbolism and suggested child pedophilia activity. I feel it's a chilling yet important document to show people what (a small section) the scene was like. It's even more disturbing when you learn the tragic fate of several of the films participants.

Frank thought it was only one guy from the C.I.A. creeping around Laurel Canyon. There were in fact, hundreds .

I haven't seen Mondo Hollywood but some of these "Freaks" (i.e. Carl and Vito) that FZ celebrated were pretty creepy imo.


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 Post subject: Re: Laurel Canyon
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:47 am 
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Another good radio interview with the author of the Laurel Canyon series.

Murder & Mystery In Laurel Canyon ~ by David McGowan with Zeph Daniel

http://youtu.be/YMwQMMQPi98

The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation ~ Center For An Informed America

Just the tip of the iceberg, but a good hour with David McGowan, who has in my view totally confirmed the darkest and biggest story--an inroad that basically indicts the entire world of...

A lurid tale of murder, satanism, pedophilia, ritual abuse and mind control of the top entertainers, the music that shaped decades if not the rest of our lives--all false... Alice in Wonderland, an ILLUSION, and nothing more.


And another video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNqpjgpxraI&feature=player_detailpage#t=158s

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 Post subject: Re: Laurel Canyon
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:34 pm 
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From the YouTube threat and from yt:
MONDO HOLLYWOOD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2cOhuUqsTU


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"Satanic pedophiles!

This movie is an important document of the CIA mind control operation going on in LA at the time. The government had a secret lab set in the middle of Laurel Canyon called Lookout Mountain Laboratory.

Search: "Inside The LC: The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation".

The entire music scene could have been part of trauma based mind control operation (such as MK-Ultra). The music was used to "trigger" targets."


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"Wow!!! There I was back in 1967, sitting in my garage-editing room on Talmadge Ave., trying to create some sort of coherent structure from the 22 hours of silent 35mm footage I'd filmed over an 18 month period, never suspecting that everything I was doing, from photography to editing to color timing to co-writing the music track with 23 year old Mike Curb, never imagining that 45 years later my work would so highly regarded by as-yet-unborn astute analysts.

My compliments,

Robert Carl Cohen"

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 Post subject: Re: Laurel Canyon
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:32 pm 
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Mr_Green_Genes wrote:
From the YouTube threat and from yt:
MONDO HOLLYWOOD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2cOhuUqsTU


yt user comment:
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"Satanic pedophiles!

This movie is an important document of the CIA mind control operation going on in LA at the time. The government had a secret lab set in the middle of Laurel Canyon called Lookout Mountain Laboratory.

Search: "Inside The LC: The Strange but Mostly True Story of Laurel Canyon and the Birth of the Hippie Generation".

The entire music scene could have been part of trauma based mind control operation (such as MK-Ultra). The music was used to "trigger" targets."


Director's answer:
Quote:
"Wow!!! There I was back in 1967, sitting in my garage-editing room on Talmadge Ave., trying to create some sort of coherent structure from the 22 hours of silent 35mm footage I'd filmed over an 18 month period, never suspecting that everything I was doing, from photography to editing to color timing to co-writing the music track with 23 year old Mike Curb, never imagining that 45 years later my work would so highly regarded by as-yet-unborn astute analysts.

My compliments,

Robert Carl Cohen"


That was my Youtube Quote. I am... Fansfiltration...

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 Post subject: Re: Laurel Canyon
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CIA Hippie Mind Control: Inside Laurel Canyon with Dave McGowan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2GjY8DN-7I


The hippie movement of the 1960s, which began in Laurel Canyon, Los Angeles and peculiar military and political ties to prominent figures in the scene like Jim Morrison and Frank Zappa are looked at with Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon author Dave McGowan. We also discuss movement pioneer Vito Paulekas, Charles Manson and the Manson Family murders, and the theory that the CIA manufactured the hippie counterculture to undermine the anti war movement, in this uncensored Antidote interview, hosted by Michael Parker.

GUEST BIO and BOOK INFO:
David McGowan was born and raised in Torrance, California, just twenty miles south of Laurel Canyon. He graduated from UCLA with a degree in psychology and has, since 1990, run a small business in the greater Los Angeles area. Currently single, he is the proud father of three daughters. He is also a lifelong music fan who still frequently keeps his radio tuned to classic rock stations. McGowan's previous books include Programmed to Kill: The Politics of Serial Murder, and Understanding the F-Word: American Fascism and the Politics of Illusion.

Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon
How did an uncanny amount of rock superstars emerge from the rustic Laurel Canyon scene of the mid 60s when the primary music centers of the US at that time were NYC, Nashville, and Detroit? Why were many of these future stars sons and daughters of the military/intelligence complex and extreme privilege who just happened to all arrive in LA at the same time? From the Lizard King Jim Morrison to Frank Zappa, the Mamas and Papas, the Byrds, Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young, even the Monkees, they all had conspicuous family heritages that did not exactly jive with what would become the free love, anti war soundtrack of a generation. Meanwhile, looming behind these musicians was a dark underbelly of Hollywood stars, young turks, the mob, shadowy intelligence assets, and charmers like little Charlie Manson who everyone liked at first.. How and why did this all happen? And what about that covert military installation on Lookout Mountain? Are you ready to have your rock and roll fantasies challenged? You may never listen to this music the same way ever again.

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I do see my youthful fascination with sex, drugs, and rock-n-roll as a marketed lifestyle that was sold to me by people I don't know on the radio.


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Donovan, Lalena, The Smothers Brothers TV Show, filmed in Hollywood for CBS on Nov 8, 1968

Shall we blame the entertainers then? Really? :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:09 pm 
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Not the artist. The machine that sells the music.

It's certainly not my fault! The mad men said it was okay!


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Growing up in Laurel Canyon: Music, nudity and community
Hosted by Steve Chiotakis • May. 23, 2019

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The Canyon Country Store in Laurel Canyon has been around since 1919.
Photo credit: Kathryn Barnes

Laurel Canyon has always been a dreamy place, lush with trees and tucked-away houses. Up Laurel Canyon Boulevard, far from the towering billboards and strip malls of West Hollywood, you can imagine a time, decades ago, when a group of musicians in this small place changed music forever.

A new documentary called “Echo in the Canyon” celebrates the explosion of popular music coming out of the canyon in the mid-1960s, as folk went electric and musicians like Cass Elliot, David Crosby, Neil Young, Steven Stills and Graham Nash moved in. Bands like The Byrds, The Mamas and the Papas, Buffalo Springfield, and The Association all came out of the canyon.

“What I remember was a lot of people everywhere all the time,” said Moon Unit Zappa, who grew up in the Canyon with her father, Frank Zappa.

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Frank Zappa’s daughter Moon Unit grew up in Laurel Canyon in the 1960s and ‘70s.
Photo credit: Kathryn Barnes/KCRW.

“Apparently, my mother used to hitchhike with me on her hip because my dad was actually a broke musician at the time,” she said, sitting outside the Country Canyon Store, which has been around for a century. “She would hitchhike with me down here to the country store barefoot, as one does. And apparently in this store, somebody approached my mother, who was a very attractive woman at the time, and I apparently said, as a 2-year-old, ‘Fuck off, pervert.’”

She recalled that the ‘60s were in full effect. Nudity, candlemaking, and an anything-goes kind of vibe.

“I have a nose ring because I was so inspired by Captain Beefheart. [He] came to the house and he had drilled a hole in his nose with a pencil. But he had made his nose into a flute. I was amazed by that.”

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The Canyon Country Store first opened its doors in 1919. The store pays homage to the founder, Bill Bokgan.
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A picnic table outside the Canyon Country Store.
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Greater LA caught up with the documentary’s director Andrew Slater, as well as Jakob Dylan (son to Bob Dylan and former Wallflowers’ frontman), at the Canyon Country Store to find out what made this tucked-away canyon so special to many influential musicians.

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"Echo in the Canyon” director Andrew Slater (left) and Jakob Dylan (right), who starred in the film.
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How did the Laurel Canyon music scene begin?

“The Byrds had a hit song, and the music business shifted from New York to LA and people came here in search of that dream,” said Slater. “In New York, the rigidity of the folk scene maybe never would have given birth to the electrification of folk music, but California represents a sense of freedom. And I think in that way, when Roger McGuinn [from The Byrds] picks up the Rickenbacker twelve-string and electrifies folk music and has a hit with that, it's the first time songs of poetic depth and grace become hit songs and inspires people to write differently. And it also inspires them to come to the place where that music is being made.”

Why Laurel Canyon?

“It's the wilderness up here,” said Dylan. “It feels like Northern California, but you’re less than 10 minutes from anywhere, which is probably why it wouldn't have been downtown or the Valley. If you go up the hills here, you've got coyotes, you've got deer. So it gave them more of a homey-woodsy vibe than typical Los Angeles.”

What made this style so unique?

“I think [it was] the California musicians trying to grab hold of the sound of the Beatles,” said Slater. “It's like light goes through a prism and comes out something else. And I think that was what was happening here with California. I think Roger [McGuinn] sees ‘A Hard Day’s Night.’ He sees George Harrison playing the 12-string guitar. He electrifies folk music. He does a version of ‘Bells of Rhymney.’ George Harrison hears ‘Bells of Rhymney.’ He writes ‘If I Needed Someone.’ That goes on Rubber Soul. Brian Wilson hears Rubber Soul and he writes Pet Sounds and The Beatles hear Pet Sounds and they write Sgt. Pepper and that really is the echo of people's creativity bouncing between each other and then across to England.”

Free love and AM radio

“I was raised in a very free atmosphere,” said Michelle Phillips of The Mamas and the Papas in the film. She and bandmate John Phillips were married, but that didn’t stop her from getting with the other man in the group, Denny Doherty. “To me, having an affair was not as serious as it was for the rest of them. The first night we got together, we had all been sitting at the table, and John and Cass’, we looked over, and they were asleep. And that’s when Denny got up and went over to the sliding glass door and off we went. And that’s when he [John Phillips] wrote ‘Go Where You Want to Go.’

“Roger McGuinn tells a story that they were at a turning point in their career, and they were looking to find a song to put out as their single,” said Slater. “And they enlisted the help of Carole King and Gerry Goffin, and decided to do a song called ‘Going Back.” And as the story goes, David Crosby wanted to have his song as a single and that was ‘Triad.’ It was about a ménage à trois. And in 1967, I'm not so sure AM radio would have played a song about a ménage à trois. And that led to another disagreement in The Byrds that was allegedly the final straw.”

What do you want people to get out of this film?

“There was a certain kindness and sense of community at that time. And I hope that people get to feel that sense of kindness, because today it feels like people are burdened with a lot of information and things that were not born out of those ideals. So it's nice if you can return to that for a moment to maybe take some of that with you and bring it into the modern world.”

Echo in the Canyon premieres May 24th at Arc Light Hollywood and the Landmark in West LA.

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Host:
Steve Chiotakis

Producers:
Christian Bordal, Kathryn Barnes

Reporter:
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https://www.kcrw.com/news/shows/greater ... -community

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