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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:37 am 
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I used to have a celeb crush on a man in his 60s. And I got one now.

Call it creepy if you like; it'll be your dream in twenty years.

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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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Well said Plook,even in a child rap thread people giving this is about me me me.Who gives a fuck.Fair nuff if you can't stand looking at the pedo I can't and if the death penalty is too good for him I hope he gets his eyes poked in with a sharp stick.

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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:45 am 
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Considering some of the Mothers lyrics, it's not that shocking, is it?

Only 13 and she knows how to nasty.


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BBP wrote:
I used to have a celeb crush on a man in his 60s. And I got one now.

Call it creepy if you like; it'll be your dream in twenty years.

Are you 16 Bonnie? I'm on the verge of turning 50. I don't dream or fantasize about 16 year olds now so I doubt I would be in 20 years. A 22 year old, though? Sure, why not.


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I was 12 when the first one started. Granted, my crush was based on 30-year-old television.

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OK now your all freaking me out, can we stay with in a reasonable age gap...say legal and 15 years max, I don't care how old your TV set is... :smoke:


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You can have a crush or lust after anything you want. Once you start putting those things in action is where you are going to get in trouble.


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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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BBP wrote:
I was 12 when the first one started. Granted, my crush was based on 30-year-old television.

So you had the hots for Desi Arnaz? Milton Berle? You are one sick freak, BBP. :lol:


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KillUgly wrote:
You can have a crush or lust after anything you want. Once you start putting those things in action is where you are going to get in trouble.



geeze your making me feel like a Monk here...cut of age for me evebn looking is 35, but hey I thats me....stayed dissiplened and nothing weird can happen... :smoke:


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Truth be told, I feel like a dirty old man when I start looking at chicks under 30. A man my age shouldn't even be allowed to use the word "chicks".


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(Hey! It's the twentieth century . . .
Whatever you can do to have a good time, let's get on with it
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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:03 am 
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Hey Zack, are you defending paedophiles? Man, that´s fucked up.


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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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Hey Zack, are you defending paedophiles? Man, that´s fucked up.

I thought that was a F. Zappa quote. Since Frank didn't qualify it any further, why attribute it to the Zackman?

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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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I don't think Zappa had raping children in mind...

I have seen his quotation about ...' do what you want, do what you will etc..' and its many variations loads of times, but fucking children didn't seem to be on the menu.
Did Zappa say it was ok to touch children, or have I missed something?


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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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Did he say it wasn't?

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Quilt wrote:
I don't think Zappa had raping children in mind...


Yet he wasn't above joking about a girl being only 13 and knowing how to nasty.


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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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If she were my daughter I'd...

I think Frank was satirizing the real or imagined perversions of our fine representatives in Washington.


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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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What about "Magdelena"? A song about a man wanting to have sex with his teenage daughter who wears see-through shirts? Making fun of repressed (or not so repressed) sexual frustration? A Brown Shoes Don't Make It update? That doesn't mean he was up for under 14 year old sex. Of course, if we believe it, he was having sex with Nigey when she was under 18 (barely). Roy was integral part of the original Mothers and a great bassist, but under 14 sex? Does it negate what he did? No, but it makes you think a little less of him. Michael Jackson---remember him? Fantastic talent, but overshadowed by his other "activities".

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Michael Jackson---remember him?

Yeah, I remember him. When he was in San Francisco, he was the setup man for Rod Beck (R.I.P.)...
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dove_grey wrote:
but under 14 sex? Does it negate what he did? No, but it makes you think a little less of him


Under 14 plus 2 other cases :wink: Think a little less i not sure about that maybe that is you opinion but others would like too see him Fucked up,or even dead. :smoke:

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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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just plain doug wrote:
Gwonam wrote:
Hey Zack, are you defending paedophiles? Man, that´s fucked up.

I thought that was a F. Zappa quote. Since Frank didn't qualify it any further, why attribute it to the Zackman?


I know, but the way he used it, really seems fucked up.


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 Post subject: Touchy subject...
PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:19 am 
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There is something wrong with a person that is sexually attracted to a child.

However, teenagers often look more like adults than children. I personally see no shame in finding a young person to be physically attractive. It's natural.

But, I do believe in consent laws. These laws are in place not so much to keep teenagers from having sex (because, trust me, teenagers have sex), but more so to keep adults from using their positions of authority to manipulate teenagers into having sex with them. A hundred years ago it wasn't uncommon for some rich bastard to steal your daughter away before she was barely developed.

As far as Frank's comments and lyrics, who knows? I suspect he is like me, and thinks that most of our leaders are sociopathic pedophiles. It's how they keep each other in check.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4SUJ-FVIsU

The above link is in regards the Franklin scandal. Check it out.


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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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Gwonam wrote:
just plain doug wrote:
Gwonam wrote:
Hey Zack, are you defending paedophiles? Man, that´s fucked up.

I thought that was a F. Zappa quote. Since Frank didn't qualify it any further, why attribute it to the Zackman?


I know, but the way he used it, really seems fucked up.

I think Zack was responding to my post immediately before his where I was saying I feel like a dirty old man if I look at an attractive twenty-something. That I should loosen up a little bit and not feel bad about something like that. That's the way I took it anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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Gwonam wrote:
Hey Zack, are you defending paedophiles? Man, that´s fucked up.


No I don't, but I just think that they don't deserve death penalty or belong in jail.
They need help and care.
And kids need to be warned, I quote FZ again:
"But the legitimate concern is a matter of taste for the individual parent and how much sexual information that parent wants to give their child, at what age, at what time, in what quantity, OK. And I think that, because there is a tendency in the United States to hide sex, which I think is an unhealthy thing to do, and many parents do not give their children good sexual education, in spite of the fact that little books for kids are available, and other parents demand that sexual education be taken out of school, it makes the child vulnerable, because if you don't have something rational to compare it to when you see or hear about something that is aberrated you do not perceive it as an aberration. OK?"

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Pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated. All the help and care in the world will not change them. Absolutely, kids need to be warned and absolutely pedophiles need to be kept away from children.


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