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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:05 am 
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tweezers wrote:
I am not a lawyer and I am not a judge. If he is convicted, then he is guilty.


To be pedantic, if he is convicted then he will have been found guilty. He may not have done anything.


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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:32 am 
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Quilt wrote:
tweezers wrote:
I am not a lawyer and I am not a judge. If he is convicted, then he is guilty.


To be pedantic, if he is convicted then he will have been found guilty. He may not have done anything.


Agreed and I stand corrected. I tend not to want to judge others when the legal system is there for that purpose. Regardless of society's general distaste for child endangerment of any sort (and revulsion is a legitimate reaction) we have a judiciary system to address criminal behavior, and maybe there is exculpatory evidence in Roy's case...I do not know.

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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:23 pm 
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tweezers wrote:
Quilt wrote:
tweezers wrote:
I am not a lawyer and I am not a judge. If he is convicted, then he is guilty.


To be pedantic, if he is convicted then he will have been found guilty. He may not have done anything.


Agreed and I stand corrected. I tend not to want to judge others when the legal system is there for that purpose. Regardless of society's general distaste for child endangerment of any sort (and revulsion is a legitimate reaction) we have a judiciary system to address criminal behavior, and maybe there is exculpatory evidence in Roy's case...I do not know.


Regardless.
He looks guilty.
Give him The Chair.


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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:58 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:27 pm 
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brainpang wrote:
gawd, what a bunch of babies. A rubber doll made me uncomfortable! Waaaaaaah!

You should get out more

Fair enough. I guess it's just that after seeing Baby Snakes 50 million times and then adding Roy's seemingly repeated problems relating to child/sexual abuse that it's really not that funny anymore.


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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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brainpang wrote:
gawd, what a bunch of babies. A rubber doll made me uncomfortable! Waaaaaaah!

You should get out more

It's always been embarassing because it's just not very good filmmaking (unlike some other parts of Baby Snakes). Now it's even more embarassing because it feels so eh... DOCUMENTARY...

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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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brainpang wrote:
gawd, what a bunch of babies. A rubber doll made me uncomfortable! Waaaaaaah!

You should get out more


This, but maybe a little more politely put.


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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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brainpang wrote:
gawd, what a bunch of babies. A rubber doll made me uncomfortable! Waaaaaaah!

You should get out more


I get out plenty. It is the context that is disturbing. Sorry you cannot understand that. (And I have never found it funny or interesting in the first place; nothing to do with being a baby; it's just a matter of taste.)

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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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Well, it was fairly normal for guys to get young girls in the 60s. Too bad Roy didn't evolve with the times. If guilty he's gonna be locked up for a long time. And at his age now it is particularly gross and disturbing. What a dummy.
Which 60s? 1760s because it was not 1860s or 1960s.

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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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I watched the 1982 POLTERGEIST flick with my son yesterday and there were a couple non-2011-PC moments in the film. One, the adult construction workers building the backyard pool started oogling and commenting upon the high schooler as she traipsed off to school,,,Mom just kind of laughed it off as a normal occurance. Later, the daughter reveals that she spent some time at the Holiday Inn on the highway. So sweet for a Spielberg (and Tobe Hooper) family flick. Not only is it okay that older guys have the hots for her, she's sexually active, too.


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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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Your enjoyment of a squeaky clean 80s film is getting in the way of The Roy Estrada sexual assualt thread.

Wonder what Polanski is doing these days. Not time in prison, that's for sure.

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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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brainpang wrote:
Well, it was fairly normal for guys to get young girls in the 60s. Too bad Roy didn't evolve with the times. If guilty he's gonna be locked up for a long time. And at his age now it is particularly gross and disturbing. What a dummy.

Roy should have used more restraint like Mr. Gary Puckett.

http://youtu.be/hn0ZJHVH17I


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Chinga Chavin wasn't as fortunate apparently.

http://youtu.be/gf1tXmaQb3k


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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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Did Gary Glitter ever go to Florida with his family?
Did he go to Tampa with the kids?


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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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Give him The Chair.

How about ripping out his crazy beard with a wood lathe?
He deserves no less.

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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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Dark Clothes wrote:
brainpang wrote:
gawd, what a bunch of babies. A rubber doll made me uncomfortable! Waaaaaaah!

You should get out more

It's always been embarassing because it's just not very good filmmaking (unlike some other parts of Baby Snakes). Now it's even more embarassing because it feels so eh... DOCUMENTARY...


What is really disturbing to me is the fact that there is such a thing as a rubber doll, it tells a lot about our society, plastic peoples came true.
I'm sad for the poor Roy and I don't think prison or death penalty has ever made anyone better.
Don't throw the stone...

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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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ZackGlickman wrote:
Dark Clothes wrote:
brainpang wrote:
gawd, what a bunch of babies. A rubber doll made me uncomfortable! Waaaaaaah!

You should get out more

It's always been embarassing because it's just not very good filmmaking (unlike some other parts of Baby Snakes). Now it's even more embarassing because it feels so eh... DOCUMENTARY...


What is really disturbing to me is the fact that there is such a thing as a rubber doll, it tells a lot about our society, plastic peoples came true.
I'm sad for the poor Roy and I don't think prison or death penalty has ever made anyone better.
Don't throw the stone...


The important thing here is to keep paedo's off the streets, and away from children.
Prison, a mental hospital, the Chair, I don't care so long as children are protected.


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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 7:46 am 
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What about care and education?

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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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Sure.
Do you really need someone to tell you that it's not alright to rape children.


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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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What about care and education?



He's a 60 year old man if he didn't figure it out yet it ain't going to happen, that dog ain't learn'in no new tricks... :smoke:


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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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Pedophiles can't be fixed. Rehab doesn't work for these folks. Now does Roy have a thing for 16 yr. old girls or 10 year old girls (or boys). Is there a difference? Probably, but at this point does it really matter? A 68 year old man with priors. There is a very disturbing pattern here for our favorite Mothers bassist. For you folks who want to proclaim Roy's innocence at his point. Blogger, Please!


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Now does Roy have a thing for 16 yr. old girls or 10 year old girls (or boys). Is there a difference? Probably


Over here there is - 16 is legal, and there are LOTS of young women who have had no real father figure, who will do ANYTHING, I said ANYTHING, for a bit of male attention. (I don't condone, but legal is legal - I think it should be 18)


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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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phydeaux3 wrote:
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Now does Roy have a thing for 16 yr. old girls or 10 year old girls (or boys). Is there a difference? Probably


Over here there is - 16 is legal, and there are LOTS of young women who have had no real father figure, who will do ANYTHING, I said ANYTHING, for a bit of male attention. (I don't condone, but legal is legal - I think it should be 18)


You've brought up another issue here.
If you're saying you don't believe a 16 year old can make a rational decision to have sex with someone (maybe even a 68 year old for all we know) - you're lying to your (younger) self as well as the rest of the world. What's wrong with you, when did you become so repressed?


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cyst-array wrote:
phydeaux3 wrote:
KillUgly wrote:
Now does Roy have a thing for 16 yr. old girls or 10 year old girls (or boys). Is there a difference? Probably


Over here there is - 16 is legal, and there are LOTS of young women who have had no real father figure, who will do ANYTHING, I said ANYTHING, for a bit of male attention. (I don't condone, but legal is legal - I think it should be 18)


You've brought up another issue here.
If you're saying you don't believe a 16 year old can make a rational decision to have sex with someone (maybe even a 68 year old for all we know) - you're lying to your (younger) self as well as the rest of the world. What's wrong with you, when did you become so repressed?


Ok everyone get over the 16 thing, the charge was related to a child under 14, what the f#ck is wrong with you people...I don't care how modern or unrepressed you are,that shit is wrong!


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 Post subject: Re: Roy Estrada Arrested
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A 16 year old making a rational decision to have sex with a 68 year old? A 68 year old making a rational decision to have sex with a 16 year old? Even if that's legal in some parts of the world and even taking the "Daddy Complex" into consideration, it's still creepy any way you slice it.


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