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Black Sabbath Iron Man covered by The Bad Plus. I love the coda!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EVBUCHJvVo


2 bands for me to check out further. Thanks!

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I love the albums that Gong did (Pierre Moerlen's Gong) after "Shamal" i.e. "Gazuese" through to "Leave It Open" but I don't know if you'd call it Fusion or Jazz Rock, bloody good music though.
Definitely "Hot Rats" though, also "Waka Jawaka" and "The Grand Wazoo" have big Jazz, Fusion, Rock and all kinds of stuff going on, they're among my most played Zappa albums.
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A band from Quebec (Drummondville) called UZEB....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2A-V6eJsgQ

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The_Acadian_2 wrote:
A band from Quebec (Drummondville) called UZEB....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2A-V6eJsgQ

Ah, good ol' Alain Caron with the Steinberger. I never knew he was in a group before being a solo artist.

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tiboudre wrote:
The_Acadian_2 wrote:
A band from Quebec (Drummondville) called UZEB....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2A-V6eJsgQ

Ah, good ol' Alain Caron with the Steinberger. I never knew he was in a group before being a solo artist.

With Michel Brouchu...

Great band!

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Jean Luc Ponty is a good example. His first few albums were adventurous, extended melodies, complex arrangements, blistering solos,etc. But then he realized the new age crowd likes the lighter stuff. So he ended up with simple heads and lackluster solos, tailored to that audience. He lost his edge, but sold a lot of albums, and his solo work today is still boring compared to those earlier efforts. There are other bands with the same arc: Michael Urbaniak, Passport, Al Dimeola, etc. Dumbing it down for the yupsters was enormously lucrative back then.


Hogwash.

Civilized Evil, Mystical Adventures & Individual Choice are FULL of intricate arrangements.

Also, even during jazz fusion's commercial peak in the '70s, most albums didn't sell shit. The most popular fusion titles barely sold 250,000 copies each in the US, if that...

I look at CE as the transition from fusion to fusion lite. It has a few songs in the old JLP style, but is much simpler than Aurora, imaginary voyage and Enigmatic Ocean. I like a few tunes from A Taste for Passion tho.
I agree that fusion wasn't usually lucrative. That's why some acts turned to New Age, which did pay better, as I recall, in its hay day.


For me it was more a case of going from analog fusion to digital fusion
I think the playing was still good, but the mediocre sequencing and digital sounds changed the effect
Give me the old fat analog sounds of Imaginary Voyage anyday
Even though there's some great playing on Individual Choice and Open Mind, the clinical style of the sequencing spoiled them a bit
Also, those later albums lose their mystique when they're also recorded on digital
Same with Frank...nothing sounded better than One Size Fits All
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on a MOTHERS bootleg I have from Keyhole records, (ya.....I know.....)
they were playing Wollman Rink in august 3 1968
and the first track is referred to as a "jazz/rock" improv. Frank mentions during the piece that it's
like jazz/rock.

This was summer 1968 before Hot Rats even.
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Article in Forbes Al Di meola (Clowns on Velvet)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bradauerbach/2016/08/11/al-di-meola-after-years-of-guitar-virtuosity-and-shredding-he-likes-the-idea-of-a-tip-jar/#dc4b2f04cc10

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jeddy wrote:
on a MOTHERS bootleg I have from Keyhole records, (ya.....I know.....)
they were playing Wollman Rink in august 3 1968
and the first track is referred to as a "jazz/rock" improv. Frank mentions during the piece that it's
like jazz/rock.

This was summer 1968 before Hot Rats even.

That's a nice find you got there... Thanks.

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Who Invented Jazz/Rock- Fusion?? That question is just as unanswerable as Who Invented Rock and Roll?? or Who Invented Baroque music?? or whatever. It's a very interesting topic from the point of view of a sociological/historical survey but there is no single who in either case. It's a social product like most things of worth.

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Who Invented Jazz/Rock- Fusion?? That question is just as unanswerable as Who Invented Rock and Roll?? or Who Invented Baroque music?? or whatever. It's a very interesting topic from the point of view of a sociological/historical survey but there is no single who in either case. It's a social product like most things of worth.


it was Rene wasn't it....
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What is so particulary interesting in jazz/rock is that jazz artists (Miles, Cannonball, etc) moved to rock and at the same time rock artists (Zappa, Soft Machine, Hendrix, etc) were moving to jazz.

(I'm sure this has been said earlier in the thread but I don't feel like looking.)
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Who Invented Jazz/Rock- Fusion?? That question is just as unanswerable as Who Invented Rock and Roll?? or Who Invented Baroque music?? or whatever. It's a very interesting topic from the point of view of a sociological/historical survey but there is no single who in either case. It's a social product like most things of worth.


Gene Simmons will say that he invented it by mistake. :mrgreen:

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