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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2021 5:57 pm 
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The title of this thread makes me laugh everytime.
As if it was possible to bring the Republican Party in the 21st Century !?!
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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 10:05 am 
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Soon, the drama that has pitted House Republican Conference Chair Liz Cheney (the #3 Republican in the House) against House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA, the #1 Republican in the House) will reach its denouement. It sure looks like Cheney is going to lose her leadership position. The real issue is that Cheney refuses to join the Cult of Trump, but McCarthy can't say that, so he "accidentally" got caught on a hot mic explaining that "I think she's got real problems. I've had it with—I've had it with her. You know, I've lost confidence." Knowing that it would hurt the Party to lose the only woman they have in House leadership, the Minority Leader is working to find some other Republican woman to take her place. At the moment, Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY) appears to be the favorite, but Reps. Ann Wagner (R-MO) and Jackie Walorski (R-IN) are in the running.

The very specific issue here is that Cheney refuses to embrace the fantasy that Donald Trump actually won the 2020 election. That delusion is the current entrance exam for membership in the GOP, particularly if you want to be an officeholder. And so, she must go. Or, to use the word that The Wall Street Journal employed in an editorial written in defense of Cheney, she must be purged.

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Many times, it has seemed that Trump crossed a line—grab 'em by the pussy, obstruction of justice, "good people on both sides," paying zero taxes, Ukraine, tear gassing citizens in order to be able to stage an upside-down Bible photo op, the insurrection—that would break his hold on the Republican Party, and cause a substantial anti-Trump backlash to finally emerge in the GOP. And yet, he just keeps on keepin' on.

Could this be different? There is absolutely no question that a huge number of Republican voters actually believe the lie, and will never accept that Joe Biden won the 2020 election. There are also some officeholders who seem to really believe it, too—Reps. Jim Jordan (R-OH), Lauren Boebert (R-CO), Louie Gohmert (R-TX), and Paul Gosar (R-AZ) among them (not coincidentally, folks who are not the sharpest knives in the GOP drawer). But certainly most of the upper-tier Republicans know what is really going on, and that Trump is perpetuating a ridiculous falsehood in order to keep himself relevant and to protect his more-fragile-than-an-eggshell ego.

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They also know that undermining elections ultimately saps their authority, by calling into question the legitimacy of all election winners, regardless of party. And they must be scared to death of what the next embrace-it-or-you'll-be-destroyed lie will be. That Trump is not subject to term limits? That all non-white immigrants to the U.S. are members of criminal gangs? That everyone in the Biden administration is a pedophile? That the Federal Reserve is a scam run for the benefit of Jewish bankers? Clearly, the day came when Cheney said "enough is enough." It probably wouldn't take too many others to shift the tide, particularly if they were the right people. the effects of a joint, anti-Trump statement from Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), RNC Chair Ronna Romney McDaniel, and Sen. Tim Scott (R-SC) could be pretty profound.

That said, politicians are risk-averse, and it is improbable there will be any more high-profile apostasy, at least until the 2022 elections are over. If it becomes clear that Trump is dragging down the Party—or, at least, that Trumpism doesn't work without him on the ballot—then maybe some of the Republican leadership will put their feet down, in hopes of salvaging 2024. It's also possible that the McConnells of the world are hoping that Trump is literally removed from the political arena, either by being sent to prison, or by dying.

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Meanwhile, did Cheney make the right choice, politically speaking? That depends a lot on what her goals are. A Senate seat was hers for the taking, and she didn't take it, presumably because her goal was to become Speaker of the House. That's not happening now, so if that is our rubric, then she blew it. On the other hand, if she has presidential aspirations—which she's certainly hinted at—she could be sitting pretty.

Cheney's immediate concern is keeping her job; incumbency and the likelihood of multiple Trumpy candidates splitting the primary vote, coupled with the red tilt of the general election vote, should make that doable. And then, while the Trump lane is clogged with wanna-be Donalds, and the sorta-Trump lane doesn't actually exist (sorry, Nikki Haley and Mike Pence!), she would be the dominant occupant of the NeverTrump lane. Every other Republican who has turned against The Donald is either lesser known (Adam Kinzinger, Justin Amash, etc.) or is out of politics and not terribly likely to get back in (John Kasich, Jeff Flake, etc.). Cheney 2024 is not likely, but if Trumpism finally collapses (or Trump dies, or is sent to prison), Cheney 2028 could be the first page of the Republican Party's next chapter.

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In case you thought Donald Trump wasn't going to get involved in day-to-day politics, guess what? He is. Yesterday, he endorsed replacing Liz Cheney as the #3 House Republican with Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY), a solid Trumpist who recently hitched her wagon to his star. Trump said: "Elise Stefanik is a far superior choice, and she has my COMPLETE and TOTAL Endorsement for GOP Conference Chair. Elise is a tough and smart communicator!" Stefanik is a very telegenic (that's punditspeak for "good-looking") Harvard graduate who, at 30, was the youngest woman ever elected to Congress at the time of her first run. Until Trump came along, she was quite bipartisan and even voted with the Democrats against the 2017 tax cut bill. Since then, she has gone all in for Trump. It may well pay off in the short term if she can jump from being a backbencher in a rural district in upstate New York to the House leadership. She definitely wants the promotion and is working hard to win over House Republicans.

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Minority Whip Steve Scalise (R-LA) is also working hard to get rid of Cheney and replace her with Stefanik. So is minority leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA). But while Scalise may be doing what he thinks is best for the Republican Party, McCarthy is playing a different game. Earlier this week there was a "leak" from McCarthy that Cheney had to go. McCarthy himself was almost certainly the leaker. McCarthy expects that Republicans will take over the House next year and plans on becoming speaker. The biggest obstacle to that plan is Cheney, who also wants the job. By dumping Cheney from the leadership, McCarthy cements his chances of becoming speaker if there is a Republican takeover next year.

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That said, as a member of the leadership, Cheney has been somewhat constrained about criticizing Trump. If she is booted out, she might become a loose cannon. Lyndon Johnson famously refused to fire FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, saying "It's better to have him inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in." Might hold here, too.

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And how about this for how McCarthy's plan could backfire spectacularly? Suppose the Republicans get a bare majority in 2022 and Cheney decides to run against McCarthy for speaker. Remember that the speaker is elected by the entire House, not by the majority caucus. Now suppose Cheney makes a deal with Nancy Pelosi: The Democrats vote for her in return for something or other. There might be just enough Republicans who are disgusted with McCarthy to support her so that she could win. If the margin is close, finding, say, 5-10 Republicans to support Cheney—who is, after all, a conservative Republican—might be doable. Especially if she promises each one the chairmanship of some important committee. From the Democrats' point of view, at least she supports democracy, something McCarthy doesn't.

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Honestly, who ever thought that the biggest threat for american's democracy would come from the Republican Party ?

This is not a political party anymore, it's a cult, a church, a sect.
A church where the God is lying to a bunch of gullible imbeciles.
And those greedy elected Reps go on for the ride.
Think about it... Those imbeciles Trump followers are too precious. . .

It's gone way too far. . .
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(before I receive a post from the police of the forum ... also posted on Trump's thread cause the two intertwined)

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/more-than-150-republicans-launch-new-political-movement-questioning-trump-s-role-in-gop-1.5426568

Maybe Trump's chef-d'oeuvre will be the destruction of the Republican Party.

Is that a bad thing ?
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Folks who don't care for blue humor, particularly that directed at Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), should probably skip this one. 8)

Clang, Clang, Clang Went Josh Hawley! - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody :arrow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07II_EJlcYg


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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2021 1:07 pm 
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Folks who don't care for blue humor, particularly that directed at Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), should probably skip this one. 8)

Clang, Clang, Clang Went Josh Hawley! - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody :arrow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07II_EJlcYg

What's amusing to me is the number of assholes in this party.
Lincoln would kick theirs butts.
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GOP-backed Arizona election review confirms Biden 2020 win
By Caroline Vakil - 09/24/21 07:41 AM EDT

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/573768-gop-backed-arizona-election-review-confirms-biden-2020-win

An election audit prompted by the Republican-controlled Arizona state Senate appears to confirm President Biden won Maricopa County, Ariz., in the 2020 presidential election, several news outlets reported.

An official report by Cyber Ninjas, the contractor who was hired for the audit, is slated to be given to the state Senate at 1 p.m. on Friday, though several news outlets obtained versions of the draft.

The Arizona Republic reported that versions of the draft it obtained showed that the hand count by Cyber Ninjas actually shows former President Trump losing the largest Arizona county by a slightly wider margin than the certified count. The certified vote count by Maricopa County found that Trump lost by 45,109 votes, while the Cyber Ninjas audit found Biden won by 45,469 votes.

A copy of the document that Maricopa County had been given was provided to the Republic by Tom Liddy, litigation bureau chief of Maricopa County. Because Maricopa County did not receive it from the state Senate, he could not verify if it was from Cyber Ninjas, but an elections consultant who had a copy of the report verified that the document indicated the same findings the consultant had.

The results, according to the Republic’s draft report, could change once the final report has been presented to the Arizona legislature.

In a statement issued through the Maricopa County Twitter page, Maricopa County Board Chairman Jack Sellers said of the draft Senate audit report, “This means the tabulation equipment counted the ballots as they were designed to do, and the results reflect the will of the voters. That should be the end of the story. Everything else is just noise."

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