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Trump on Comey on the 31st of October 2016...
“It took guts for Director Comey to make the move that he made in light of the kind of opposition he had where they’re trying to protect her [Hillary Clinton] from criminal prosecution. What he did, he brought back his reputation. He brought it back.”

Trump on Comey in May 2017...
"I was going to fire Comey, knowing there was no good time to do it. And, in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said, ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story, it’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should’ve won.’”

Trump on Comey in September 2018...
"If I did one mistake with Comey, I should have fired him before I got here. I should have fired him the day I won the primaries," Trump said. "I should have fired him right after the convention, say I don't want that guy. Or at least fired him the first day on the job. ... I would have been better off firing him or putting out a statement that I don't want him there when I get there.”

Could it be that Trump is trying to establish a motive for firing Comey that does not involve obstruction of justice?


Could it be you're a COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOT and don't seem to realize that the October 31, 2016 quote was stated BEFORE Trump was President and hence he OBVIOUSLY wasn't fully aware of information pertinent to the investigation at that point in time and that the September 2018 quote was him reflecting on what he should've done if he knew then what he knows now?! :roll:

You know, Caputh, I can't decide what's funnier: you still not being able to admit Zappa was a libertarian/conservative or that by almost every single economic metric, Trump's #s are CRUSHING Obama's? I'll have to get back to you on that one... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


Trump is suggesting in his 2018 interview that he should have fired Comey at the earliest immediately after he was elected Republican Candidate and at the latest in November 2016. This would have been totally illegal (despite your weird belief that he was somehow able to act as president before being inaugerated). The suggestion here is that the reason for his firing was his obvious incompetence.

This stands in direct contrast with his statement in May 2017 that he was firing him because of the Russia investigation. This second quote indicates obstruction of justice.

This possibly explains why
a) Trump has unsuccessfully accused interviewer Lester Holt of "fudging his tape" in the May 2017 interview. The tape has, however, turned out to be "unfudged".

b) Why Trump is trying to cover his tracks by claiming that he wanted to fire Comey all along and that it had nothing to do with Russian collusion. This stands in further contrast with his statement from October 2016.

c) We therefore have 3 conflicting Trumpian positions...

i) Comey is really groovy.

ii) Comey is not really groovy because he is investigating Trump's Russian collusion.

iii) Comey was never groovy and should have been got rid of before any talk of any collusion started because he was incompetent.

I was considering updating the "How to insult people" thread, but your insults are so awfully one-dimensional at the moment; "FUCKING IDIOT" and "moron" and :roll: is all you've got?


As usual, more verbosity-driven nonsense, where you're TOTALLY missing the point and not even remotely understanding Trump's comments or points of view regarding the PROPER contexts and/or timelines involved.

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BTW, a 62.7% Labour Participation rate in November 2017 (your fictional date for the begin of Trump's presidency) is still the same as a 62.7% Labour Force Participation Rate today. As, under Obama, you claimed that this was the only important economic factor and that any other improvements in the economy were signs of an "artificial" recovery and that "because of Obamination's spending & socialist BS, America and much of the world will endure one of the worst depressions in history in 5...4...3...2...", I'm not neccesarily sure that many trust your acumen as the regards the economy.


Yet ANOTHER misquote. Big fucking surprise.

Not only did I NOT state that Trump's Presidency started in November 2017 (I stated he was President-Elect as of November 2016), but I did NOT state that the LFP rate was the only important factor when determining economic performance. And you're still cherry-picking and only making dents by IGNORING that the LFP rate under Obama diminished ALMOST EVERY SINGLE QUARTER for most of his 8 years in office. Whereas, with Trump, it's either stagnated or improved depending on the month. And again, why aren't you acknowledging Trump's ENTIRE list of accomplishments? And what part of, by almost every single economic metric, since late 2016, Trump's #s have CRUSHED Obama's, do you NOT understand?! :roll:

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As to Zappa's Libertarianism, my take on his views is reflected by the following two, rather long quotes...

"There was a thing earlier this year when the Libertarian party was talking to me about running. But I didn't like their platform. It contradicts itself. There are certain things, I mean I'm absolutely a Libertarian on many issues, but if you read the platform, here's an example: the platform says that the money that was taken away, er, the property that was taken away from Japanese citizens during World War Two when they put them in the concentration camps should be returned to them - I agree with that. But the next page it says: "We're against Eminent Domain".
So how can a government or a platform presumably leading to a government accomplish the resititution to the Japanese citizens without Eminent Domain? Magic wand, perhaps?
Then it says people have the right to their own dignity, they have the right to, they own themselves, the government does not own them, you should have the right to be your own person - I agree. Sounds like very nice civil rights stuff. Then you turn the page and it says if a guy owns a lunch counter and he doesn't want to have a black man eating at his lunch counter, he can turn him away. It's hard to balance that stuff out and be a doctrinaire Libertarian candidate, if their own platform doesn't quite add up. The day they straighten out their platform, I might take another listen, but that's the situation." ~ Frank Zappa, Rochester, NY, March 11, 1988

"I was contacted by the Libertarian Party. They came here, and they wanted me to run for president on their ticket. And, I said, "Well, show me what your platform is ... And if I like it, I'll consider it." This guy flew here from Norman, Oklahoma, and we had, like, a 5 hour meeting right here in this room. That was about 3 months ago, just before their convention. And, I went thru their platform, and I studied it, and I looked at it, and some of the stuff I liked, and some of it I didn't. And I said, "I can't really stand up and support your platform whole heartedly because some of the stuff you have in here is either wrong or stupid. And, in order for me to be a candidate for your party, would they, in fact, nominate me if I couldn't be an ideologue and go the whole 9 yards." And, he said it was doubtful they would support you at the convention if you didn't just spew the whole thing. And I said; "Well, I'm not your boy. Thanks a lot. Goodbye."
- Frank Zappa, January 1988
http://www.afka.net/Articles/1988_Mother_People.htm

Your take on his Libertarianism is to take 8 words from the first quote...
"...I'm absolutely a Libertarian on MANY issues..."


No, my take on FZ's libertarian/conservative beliefs, is not only the above statements you've provided, but also by the FACT he wanted to...:

~ reduce the size of government
~ largely deregulate
~ lower taxes (and in fact, abolish the income tax altogether and strictly replace it with a tax on goods & services)
~ legalize all drugs

...which FZ clearly goes over in Chapter 17 of TRFZB.


You know, Caputh, if you suffer from some sort of learning disability (which would make plenty of sense), I sincerely apologize for my previous insulting comments. However, I'm thinking your posts reflect that you're in too much denial to admit that you couldn't be more wrong about the things we've discussed here if you tried...

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In amongst DB's repetitive litany of negations, obfuscations, redundancies, inaccuaracies, falsehoods, deflections, contradictions and accusations it appears that he has learned a new word! Or, at least, a word he has never used before, namely...
Disco Boy wrote:
I sincerely apologize

Now he only needs to use it in its proper context and considerably more.

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Caputh, you know that DB only attacks people who are wrong. He's told you this and apparently you have forgotten or worse - didn't understand! That's you're fault and you should realize he's only acting appropriately for the situation! You were warned, but still you made the choice to be wrong. Of course, you are too polite to attack when other people are wrong, but that is your fault as well. You made your bed, but still...
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Ah, so DB is our very own Dolores Umbridge?
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^ Hasn't seem to have effected my Donald :smoke:


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....and then Trump's economic policies start to become enacted, but you won't see Disco fuckface mention a peep.....


Americans Haven’t Been This Poor and Indebted in Decades

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... cades.html


...in other words, Pres Obama's 8 year historic record breaking economic run is now becoming the newest Trump-Failure.


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JAN. 5, 2018 ???


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Caputh wrote:
In amongst DB's repetitive litany of negations, obfuscations, redundancies, inaccuaracies, falsehoods, deflections, contradictions and accusations it appears that he has learned a new word! Or, at least, a word he has never used before, namely...
Disco Boy wrote:
I sincerely apologize

Now he only needs to use it in its proper context and considerably more.


Oh...so you're not suffering from some sort of learning disability, despite constantly ignoring factual information, misquoting statements and taking a plethora of situations out of context?! Ok, then you really are a COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOT!

Never mind...

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What is up with all this pussy grabbing... :?

When I was in High School and College years I used to get incredibly drunk and we used some...let's say substances, and I never thought "hey I should forcibly get some of this pussy"...it must be a Conservative thing... :mrgreen:

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oops, picked the wrong picture, they are afraid of Black Pussy it's the Conservative Kryptonite... :smoke:


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Plook wrote:

oops, picked the wrong picture, they are afraid of Black Pussy it's the Conservative Kryptonite... :smoke:


Nope , there's PLENTY of fine black pussy out there , but thanks for the stereotype.
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Plook wrote:
What is up with all this pussy grabbing... :?

When I was in High School and College years I used to get incredibly drunk and we used some...let's say substances, and I never thought "hey I should forcibly get some of this pussy"...it must be a Conservative thing... :mrgreen:

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oops, picked the wrong picture, they are afraid of Black Pussy it's the Conservative Kryptonite... :smoke:

When I was in college my friend's girlfriend woke me up by crawling on top of me at 2:30 in the morning. I didn't fuck her and I never said a word to my friend. I kinda liked it, though nothing really happened. I sent her to her room.

Now... on topic... SB says one thing and DB says the opposite. For 15 years. On the Frank Zappa board. Plook, how am I supposed to respect anyone who continues to bend over for this bullshit? Just taking it seriously is bending over for it. SB and DB work for the same forces. You can ignore it but your grandchildren will not have that luxury.


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Trump and statistics again...

Today he tweeted...
"Republican Party Favorability is the highest it has been in 7 years - 3 points higher than Democrats! Gallup"

If we go to the Gallup site, we find that the first part of his tweet is true. Republican Party Favorability is the highest it has been in 7 years. Yay! It's at 45%!

Unfortunately, the second part of his statement is not. The same poll shows the Democrats' favorability at 44%, which, for those here who have problems counting, (and I name no names) means that Republican Party Favorability is not "3% higher than Democrats", it's 1% higher.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/242906/rep ... years.aspx

It also means that the Republican Party is viewed more favorably than Trump by 5%, at least according to Gallup, as he has a job approval rating of 40% at the moment.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/201617/gal ... roval.aspx

Which makes him the most unpopular president at this point in his term in the history of Gallup's list of president's job approval ratings, which goes back to Eisenhower.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/pre ... trump.aspx

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downer mydnyte wrote:
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What is up with all this pussy grabbing... :?

When I was in High School and College years I used to get incredibly drunk and we used some...let's say substances, and I never thought "hey I should forcibly get some of this pussy"...it must be a Conservative thing... :mrgreen:

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oops, picked the wrong picture, they are afraid of Black Pussy it's the Conservative Kryptonite... :smoke:
Plook, how am I supposed to respect anyone who continues to bend over for this bullshit?


DM - I was married to an amazing women for 30 years and she brought a shit load of people to the table, she was loved by nearly all she met (just freaking amazing), I have also raised 2 daughters and 4 other girls were with Terri and I for several years, I have met a lot of girls and women, definitely more than most...it was a pleasure.

I have heard many, many, many of these stories of verbal and physical abuse by men, I have heard the stories of molestation and attempted rape, and unfortunately I have heard the stories of outright rape...so evil, so unfair, so pathetic...just bad.

Even my poor wife more than once, she said she escaped but as the educated know sometimes that is the easier way to remember the story and this is used against a women when she finally finds a voice to speak up...so sad.

DM for you to call this "Bullshit" makes me not want your respect, because it is now worthless to me...educate yourself about women and what they have faced...just try.

I have always done what I can to help women...am I perfect? No! Have I done wrong? Yes! But I have learned and I am educated to this subject matter and for you to categorize a women's memory of sexual assault as "Bullshit" is just a new low almost as bad as being a Sandy Hook denier...when did people become soulless and loose their moral compass's...so tragic.


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THE 50 MOST INFAMOUS FEMALE TEACHER SEX SCANDALS

http://www.zimbio.com/The+50+Most+Infam ... x+Scandals

Tawana Brawley rape allegations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Br ... llegations

Duke lacrosse case
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

Yovino sentenced to 1 year in false rape case
https://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Yov ... 177363.php

About 200 women jailed for fake rape claims
https://www.gladstoneobserver.com.au/ne ... -/3460209/


If kavanaugh is guilty , no confirmation and he should be punished.
If the accusers are guilty of lying , they should go to jail.
Being wrongly accused of trying to screw someone should not screw the accused for life.
Being rightly accused , should.


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Or, can't we at least not let him on the Supreme Court for a Lifetime Appointment?

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Being wrongly accused of trying to screw someone should not screw the accused for life.


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Ladies and Gentlemen of the court, I'm jus a simple ol' country boy.

Screwing isn't against the law.

Furthermore:He didn't get to (alledgedly) rape her because she (alledgedly) escaped his (alledgedly) virginal clutches. Pinning someone down with a hand over their mouth while trying to remove clothing is still against the law so is attempted rape.

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Pinning someone down with a hand over their mouth while trying to remove clothing is still against the law so is attempted rape.


And you have proof that happened , I presume ?
Have you contacted any one ?

Of course you haven't but as long as the heroes you follow believe it to be true , without a shred of evidence , you believe it too.

It would be kinda crazy if someone implicated you , wouldn't it ?
Especially if you had a great job and family life that could be crushed like an anthill but still had a perfect alibi.
Crazy , right ?


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