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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:52 pm 
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I am flabbergasted by this guilt associated with seeing this show... :?

Let's put it a different way, if that band was touring as Old Mothers Wazoo and they had a movie screen in the back of the stage and they were playing Outside Now with film or video of Frank jamming...everyone on this site would go money, weather, and health permitting... :idea:

My god people we keep buy different versions of the same album over and over, why would anyone deny themselves this pleasure... :shock:

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:39 pm 
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^^^The future is scary... :shock:

I don’t think the people on this forum are especially representative of Zappa fans or people that would go to this show. Let’s face it, there are only about 10-20 people that are consistently active on this site. That is a tiny, tiny sample of fans. The 13 ZPZ shows I’ve seen since 2006 have been generally well attended in 1000 seat venues, more or less. Multiply that by all the other parts of the globe that ZPZ plays and that shows there are plenty of people interested in a show like this that don’t care about online forums. :idea:


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 Post subject: Re: Zappa Hologram Tour
PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:57 pm 
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I don't think "we" have changed per se, and remember initial reception of ZPZ was not 100% enthusiasm either. With a hologram we're guaranteed to get the same show every night.

Let's not forget one of Zappa's skills was that of show-man, there are countless moments on the live albums that make me think "oh I wish I was there" and there is no way this hologram can replicate stuff like the London Poetry Slam.

Maybe we've gotten spoiled with ZPZ. Or maybe the whole AZ vs DZ has left a lingering aftertaste.

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 Post subject: Re: Zappa Hologram Tour
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BBP wrote:
I don't think "we" have changed per se, and remember initial reception of ZPZ was not 100% enthusiasm either. With a hologram we're guaranteed to get the same show every night.

Let's not forget one of Zappa's skills was that of show-man, there are countless moments on the live albums that make me think "oh I wish I was there" and there is no way this hologram can replicate stuff like the London Poetry Slam.

Maybe we've gotten spoiled with ZPZ. Or maybe the whole AZ vs DZ has left a lingering aftertaste.



So true BBP, the "Show" aspect of a FZ concert is the point I always try to communicate to someone when I introduce them to Frank, it was that unpredictability that excited me before an FZ concert...which I think DZ started to capture a few years ago with his background stories on the songs, his experiences with his dad on certain songs, and his explanations for how he captured the sound of a song or era of music has made the concerts more than just the music especially since he always adds some humorous aspect to the story that gets a laugh...my hope is this is not lost on the organizers of the Hologram Tour.... :idea:


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KUIII wrote:
^^^The future is scary... :shock:

I don’t think the people on this forum are especially representative of Zappa fans or people that would go to this show. Let’s face it, there are only about 10-20 people that are consistently active on this site. That is a tiny, tiny sample of fans. The 13 ZPZ shows I’ve seen since 2006 have been generally well attended in 1000 seat venues, more or less. Multiply that by all the other parts of the globe that ZPZ plays and that shows there are plenty of people interested in a show like this that don’t care about online forums. :idea:



Actually I track view counts on many threads and there are hundreds to thousands of hits a day, this cannot be the same 10 or 20 usual suspects viewing the same threads dozens of times a day, no I suspect there are thousands of people from all over the world on this site a day checking conversations without speaking or expressing an opinion...I have actually meet folks at concert who knew who I was from reading this forum as far away as Wisconsin and as near as Sacramento...when Kapt Kiirk introduced me to DZ's wife Megan in SLO she knew who I was do to the death of my wife.


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Good point, Plook.

Lots of lurkers, for sure.

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That may be, but I was talking about the 10-20 that DO express opinions regularly. We can’t come to any conclusions about the lurkers if they don’t post anything.


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And they probably won't. I've read that about 1 percent of people that are fans of a show or band or other interests post on their respective forums.


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calvin2hikers wrote:
And they probably won't. I've read that about 1 percent of people that are fans of a show or band or other interests post on their respective forums.

That sounds about right.

I wonder what that says about us 1 percenters. There must be something very wrong with us. :lol:


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KUIII wrote:
calvin2hikers wrote:
And they probably won't. I've read that about 1 percent of people that are fans of a show or band or other interests post on their respective forums.

That sounds about right.

I wonder what that says about us 1 percenters. There must be something very wrong with us. :lol:



To well adjusted... :mrgreen:

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We are exhibitionists... :shock:


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KUIII wrote:
calvin2hikers wrote:
And they probably won't. I've read that about 1 percent of people that are fans of a show or band or other interests post on their respective forums.

That sounds about right.

I wonder what that says about us 1 percenters. There must be something very wrong with us. :lol:


I think it's people with 17,000 posts or above that have problems.

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^^On their own thread named after themselves. :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: Zappa Hologram Tour
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calvin2hikers wrote:
I think it's people with 17,000 posts or above that have problems.
Very funny, just pick a number greater than 16,521. :mrgreen:

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‘I’m finishing what he started’: Ahmet Zappa on bringing Frank’s vision to life

The Bizarre World tour, which begins next month, is the "closest anyone’s ever going to get to see a Frank Zappa show", according to Zappa's son

By Jon Chapple 19th of March 2019

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Ahmet Zappa, son of Frank and co-trustee of the Zappa Family Trust (ZFT), has said the upcoming Bizarre World of Frank Zappa tour is a fulfilment of his “visionary” father’s dream to appear on stage as a hologram.

“If Frank was alive, he’d have been really into this technology, and I think he’d have used it himself,” says Zappa Jnr, speaking to IQ ahead of his appearance at ILMC alongside Jeff Pezzuti, CEO of Eyellusion, the production company behind the Frank Zappa hologram.

“The conversation started way before I met Jeff and we started working in earnest to do a show, when I was a young kid: Frank was a futurologist, and he would talk about having a hologram that could play shows around the world while he was at home working – a kind of world tour in a day…”

The Bizarre World of Frank Zappa – which promises guest appearances by long-time Zappa collaborators, as well as unseen footage and “circumstances, objects, places and subject matter” from the late singer’s music brought to life on stage – kicks off in the US on 19 April, at the 1,800-capacity Capitol Theater in Port Chester, New York, playing shows along the eastern seaboard before heading to Europe in May. The first European date is at the Playhouse (3,059-cap.) in Edinburgh, with shows in London, Manchester, Ostend and Amsterdam also planned.

Fans caught their first glimpse of the hologram, which follows Eyellusion’s recreation of metal icon Ronnie James Dio, last month, when ZFT released a video showing ‘Frank’ decrying the censorship (to remove a penguin’s buttocks, no less) of the tour artwork:

“The video we put out,” says Zappa, also EVP of business development for Eyellusion, is “really crazy. There’s no other way to describe it – I’m looking at my dad.”

On the choice to model the hologram on Apostrophe-era Frank Zappa, Pezzuti says Eyellusion’s philosophy is to recreate deceased performers based on how they are remembered by most fans. “We try to honour that – what we imagine to be the legacy, and how people immortalise them in their minds,” he explains.

With the show’s production, Zappa continues, “I don’t want to say we’re reinventing the wheel – but we kind of are. The live experience has been the same for a long time, and the fact we’re adding an artist who’s not physically present changes the dynamic. What’s cool about this is coming up with creative solutions to keep the audience engaged for a 90-minute show.”


“We’ve put so much love and energy into this”

“With Zappa we’re making it funny, with Dio it was very metal, and Glenn Gould will be very different again,” adds Pezzuti. (Dates for Eyellusion’s Glenn Gould tour will be announced later this year.)

Visuals are based on Frank’s lyrical content – the infamous bare-bottomed penguin is a nod to ‘Penguin in Bondage’, from Roxy & Elsewhere – as well as Zappa’s own memories of his father, he explains: “We’re visualising elements of the songs, and a lot of the conversations I’ve had with father have influenced how this show looks… it’s drawing on [Frank Zappa] touchpoints throughout history.”

“We’ve put so much love and energy into this,” says Zappa. “My father was an early adopter – of state-of-the-art recording equipment, digital, all kinds of technology” (“Machines don’t get loaded, drunk or evicted,” as Frank noted in 1989’s the Real Frank Zappa Book) – “and I feel, as his son, I’m completing something he started and didn’t get a chance to finish. That was a big part of my motivation here.”

He adds: “When you have this content we’ve made with his vocals, his guitars, his live band… Frank has passed, but this is the closest anyone’s ever going to get to see a Frank Zappa show.”

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 Post subject: Re: Zappa Hologram Tour
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Scott Thunes...

Hi! As most of you already know, rehearsals started two weeks ago. Mike K is a great Music Director and has organized tons of activities for us: Bobbing for zircon encrusted tweezers, pin the nose on the Zappa, and Make A Jazz Noise Far, Far Away from Me, Motherfucker. We have another week of band-only rehearsals, then three days of tech rehearsals. It's been going swimmingly and am very excited for our future. Can't wait to rock the east coast and the UK (plus Belgium and Netherlands) but more importantly, I'm deeply happy to be back on stage with these fine men, survivors all, who have made it this far and can do this stuff... i mean, at ALL! It's awesome-sounding and I hope you all enjoy it. Come for the music, stay for the awesome camaraderie, and think of the hologram stuff as ICING, not as THE MEAL. I think there's a useful metaphor in there somewhere. Ugh. Love you all, even the naysayers!

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^^^Dam straight... :smoke:


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Edison cylinders were a tech reproduction, magnetic tape is a tech reproduction, vinyl discs are a tech reproduction, CDs are a tech reproduction, videos are a tech reproduction and so on and none of them bring you the actual event for real. When you watch a video with FZ in it - that's not him, it's just magnetic or digital impressions - it's no more nor less real than a hologram, which is also a tech reproduction. If hologram's are desecration then videos are desecration and all the other tech reproductions- you can't have it both ways.

Like holograms - don't like holograms - but all this luddite/moral furore is bizarre. From one tech reproduction to another, the difference is in its capacity to enable suspension of disbelief.

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Edison cylinders were a tech reproduction, magnetic tape is a tech reproduction, vinyl discs are a tech reproduction, CDs are a tech reproduction, videos are a tech reproduction and so on and none of them bring you the actual event for real. When you watch a video with FZ in it - that's not him, it's just magnetic or digital impressions - it's no more nor less real than a hologram, which is also a tech reproduction. If hologram's are desecration then videos are desecration and all the other tech reproductions- you can't have it both ways.

Like holograms - don't like holograms - but all this luddite/moral furore is bizarre. From one tech reproduction to another, the difference is in its capacity to enable suspension of disbelief.

Yes....tech speaking this is true. But my original vote of "no hologram Zappa" was based on the fact that there was only one Frank Zappa,....and for even his one son (of two sons) to think it's possible to recreate Frank and his personality is really unfathomable. But since this is going on , one way or the other, ...hell yeah, I'll check it out and judge if this new "tech" is a good thing or not. But I still think it's going to come off a little "different" to my thoughts of what Frank "might have done" himself with this "new tech". I think if you asked all the members here on this board to define Frank Zappa, and write what they think Frank represented you would get as many different answers as there are members. So, my original comment / idea that there should be no hologram of Frank Zappa was based on the idea that ANY human (let alone Frank) is very complex ,and to think that they can be represented by a projection (made by anyone else) is just a far fetched dream. Done right this could be an entertaining variation on a "recording"...done wrong ...well, it could "taint" what Frank would have liked to have been his standing legacy. Let's hope it's just some fun.


(I direct reply) In the end I say videos or recordings are not a desecration....they are just a reproduction of one aspect of a living performer. Where this hologram could be made to do anything....and that may be desecration....depending on what is depicted.


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Well said by both poly and pengy. There’s nothing wrong with the technology at all. The potential of it and its uses are very exciting. The only question as it applies to this show (or any other) is how well is the technology going to used artistically.


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KUIII wrote:
Well said by both poly and pengy. There’s nothing wrong with the technology at all. The potential of it and its uses are very exciting. The only question as it applies to this show (or any other) is how well is the technology going to used artistically.



It should be a Bizarre Tour... :smoke:


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KUIII wrote:
Well said by both poly and pengy. There’s nothing wrong with the technology at all. The potential of it and its uses are very exciting. The only question as it applies to this show (or any other) is how well is the technology going to used artistically.


Thanks , KUIII!

Like I've said before , since this is going to happen in any case, I am willing to check it out. I'm hoping it's a great show.


On a sort of unrelated note....

I think it seems that Frank's Irreverent humor was passed on to Ahmet, and his Guitar Skills went to Dweezil . I wish they could get together and do things in tandem , that always seemed to get the best results. I hope they can get along better in the future.


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I agree on the AZ/DZ analysis. Some of the musicians that worked with both FZ and DZ (I think maybe Thunes and Keneally possibly among others) have made that observation as well.


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KUIII wrote:
I agree on the AZ/DZ analysis. Some of the musicians that worked with both FZ and DZ (I think maybe Thunes and Keneally possibly among others) have made that observation as well.



When they had that Music/variety/game show called Happy Hour they killed it together, I loved that joint... :idea:

Does anyone know who was in the house band???


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Plook wrote:
KUIII wrote:
I agree on the AZ/DZ analysis. Some of the musicians that worked with both FZ and DZ (I think maybe Thunes and Keneally possibly among others) have made that observation as well.



When they had that Music/variety/game show called Happy Hour they killed it together, I loved that joint... :idea:

Does anyone know who was in the house band???


was it the band Tonic?


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