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This is quite sickening.<br><br>1. If I were to say I saw you in a comprimising place, and wanted to use that against you, wouldn't I have had to be there too to have seen you?<br><br>2. In order to know so much about zappateers to attempt so lamely to discredit it, you must go through an awful lot of it to get your complaints ready.<br><br>3. He recites various concerts, dates, seeders and such, all of which for one who doesn't supposedly like it, knows about it, use it and so forth, an awful lot.<br><br>4. Not a soul gets a penny from them. People take the time to SHARE the stuff. The only credit involved by putting your name, or nickname to it, is to proclaim you are saying its authentically what you claim it is.<br><br>5. If one of these doom delivering jems, as good ole tredny has implied, left another person at their home believing its from xyz city on xyz date, then he should then discredit 100's of other sites, places like FZShows, Zappa patio and the like for investing phenomenal sums of energy to validate authenticity. If i heard a song, and fz says, welcome to halloween 1977 detroit for example, should I now say trendy is correct, the tape is wrong? <br><br>6. Why, in any way shape or form, would anyone give a flying fuck about this anyway, such as tdenry does. If I download a song, show or all of them, not a soul makes money. If i put a copy of a show up there that I had, I dont make money. If i went into a concert and taped it, without the consent of the owners, they need to deal with me, not the one who got a copy. Its not illegal to have them in your possesion. So if I DID do this, and was the soul source to blame, I taped it illegally, I shared it, the fucking statute of limitations has expired, this is stuff from 1988 and back.<br><br>7. So why the hell does terndy whine. Is it because he can't get them himself? He has a modem, too slow? He said something to someone there and got banned?<br><br>8. So then, it is because this occurs, the Zappa Family Trust is NOT releasing material, because the sales wont compensate the investment. I have touched on this before, and guess who was the only one to reply, good ole tderyn. Complaining, accusing, name-calling and such to the public consumer of these goods are NOT going to fix whatever issue you feel is corrupted beyond belief.<br><br>9. If Frank Zappa, as a musician, artist, performer and owner of a vast catalog of material that could be sold for profit were the only one involved, I would cry about it too. But let me tell ya, every single artist has this same problem. So as I also stated before here, sell it fast and cheap. I can go to Queen's website right now, and download last nights', or a short gap of time, show. Just a few bucks. If I could have seen him in 88 and three days later download it for 4.99 or something, fuck the zappateers, I got the real show in days. File sharing as we know it would not be what we know it as. You would thin by reading the posts here, FZ was the only artist, ever. I would like to think he was one of my favorites, not the best. That is a judgement call based on the listener. Like beauty right? It's in the eye of te beholder. I bet you the Rolling Stones, The Who, Pink Floyd, U2, Bruce Springsteen, name any more you wanted, and they DO NOT have this problem too right? Go spew your shit on their fan sites a while.<br><br>10. If ZFT started to deliver on their promises, and flood the market with product, I would buy it. I have everything so far. Not all do, so trdney finds he needs to go after zappateers. Who is to blame. Who is at fault. Take away sharing and I bet ZFT would release the entire vault and we would all buy every release in platinum record quantities. Yeah!<br><br>11. Most importantly, why the fuck does trendy care, no one cares what you say anymore. There is a fairy tale called the little boy who cried wolf. You MUST be on the payroll of someone in this mess. And my biggest complaint of all, he cant fucking spell. There is a whole fucking thread on it. Pal, before you click post, READ THE MOTHERFUCKER. I have the hardest time reading it, and even if you actually for once in your miserable fucking life had a valid point, I wouldn't know it because you spelled it wrong. Are you dyslexic? I won't excuse you for that. You know why? Because my sister and I have it. She even failed grades from it. Thankfully I didn't pass it on to my kids, but my sisters kids inherited it. It sucks. Go fill out a job application and spell your own fucking last name wrong. Ive been there. So try this, hi-lite the entire text of your post, copy it, go to a word processor like MS word or whatever, paste it in and SPELL CHECK IT. Then copy it again, bring it here and post it.<br><br>There are a zillion artists, a zillion web-sites, a zillion songs, go find another one to bother. This is a waste of time.
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[/quote]<br>God his shirts even brown. ::)
<br>He also was against live taping, from what I've read, because at that time people were literally paying for bootlegs of any show they could get. What Frank never recognized was that it's okay to trade copies of live recordings on a not-for-profit basis. With the advent of CDs and file sharing, that has become extremely easy. You send me a CD of Miles Davis, I send you one of John Coltrane. Total cost: 50 cents for the CD, plus postage. Total money taken out of the artist's pocket: zero.<br>The band Wilco had an instructive experience with streaming unreleased content when their Yankee Hotel Foxtrot album was leaked on the internet prior to its release. The band chose to stream the album from their own website so people could get it for free. The talking heads all said, "This will hurt sales," but the hype actually helped: when the CD was finally released, it sold 400,000 copies, making it Wilco's biggest seller. Wilco still have a policy that it's okay to tape their shows, and it hasn't hurt them one bit. The fanatics still buy all the official releases. If FZ were still around, he could have learned a valuable lesson from them.<br>The fact is, FZ was a relentless perfectionist who wanted to control his listeners' experience. In doing so, he often failed to deliver optimum versions of songs, because he was frustrated by his bandmembers' very real limitations, and so he would endlessly dick around with overdubs and splicing songs together from different tapes. But some of us like humanness, and have no problem hearing a show with Frank or Ike or Ruth making mistakes...everybody makes them occasionally, and it doesn't really detract from an otherwise excellent performance. Frank must have thought it did, though. I think he was wrong, and I don't see any problem with people trading whatever is out there, as long as you already support (or have supported) the ZFT by purchasing the official releases too.