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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:25 pm 
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Anyone have an idea why he never made it to places like India and South or Central America?

Bad food?

Unspeakable diseases?

Charming border officiales?


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Probably all of the above.


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Argentina (1930-1932, 1943-1946, 1955-58, 1962-1963, 1966-1973, 1976-1983)
Bolivia (1964-1982)
Brazil (1930–1934, 1937–1945, 1964-1985)
Chile (1924, 1927-1931, 1973-1990)
Colombia (1953-1957)
Cuba (1933-1940, 1952-1959)
Dominican Republic (1844-1978 with a few exceptions)
Ecuador (1963-1966, 1972-1979)
El Salvador (1931-1984)
Guatemala (1931-1944, 1954-1986)
Haiti (1957-1990, 1991-1994)
Honduras (1963-1971, 1972-1982)
Nicaragua (1936-1979)
Panama (1968-1989)
Paraguay (1940-1948, 1949-1989)
Peru (1821-1845, 1866-1872, 1928-1933, 1948-1956, 1968-1980)
Suriname (1980-1988)
Uruguay (1973-1985)
Venezuela (1908-1935, 1952-1958)

Yep, you guessed it.. ruled by dictatorships. They might not have been too welcoming to ole Frankie.

As for India + other places.. probably no market for FZ.

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I wonder if there might have been a little FZ buzz in India, due to the L. Shankar factor.....

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:29 am 
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SwaggartDecisions wrote:
Anyone have an idea why he never made it to places like India and South or Central America?

Bad food?


Why bother going to England, then?

Any people claiming that SA has bad food, surely has never gone there and tried it... (Not mentioning that SA is a huge continent with several different countries, with different couisines...).

Mexican food, anyone?

Indian food, anyone?

SwaggartDecisions wrote:
Unspeakable diseases?


Why bother going to France, then?

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Charming border officiales?


Why bother going to Germany or Canada, then? Thanks God you don't have to see the border officials while travelling inside the US, it doesn't get better than this... :roll:

timm0 wrote:
As for India + other places.. probably no market for FZ.


FZ once planned a personal trip to India, to hear all those nice eastern harmonies live, in loco, but he gave up when he heard of how many shots he would have to take in order to go there... pussy...


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LOL Mr. Clean. Yes, I suppose in this light I am guilty of perpetuating N. Americo-centric stereotypes.

I have been to both Mexico and S. America (Argentina) and the food was excellent.

And out of all the officiales I have encountered in my world travels (including Europe, Japan, S. America), the rudest were employees of either Canada or the USA (getting back in is much harder than getting out).

So allow me to offer my humble apologies for once again subscribing to the fallacy that the universe revolves around the United States... :P


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can't beat a great british roast dinner!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:39 am 
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I recall an interview that FZ at one time was entertaining the idea of visiting (not touring) India since he enjoyed Indian music, but decided against it since a visit would involve getting vaccinated and he wasn't too keen on that.

FZ also kept track of where and how well his albums were selling around the world and this information would have entered into any decision regarding the cost vs. benefit of playing some place outside the US.

And, as someone mentioned, FZ wouldn't be too fond of dictators and in those countries he and the band would be more likely to be hassled by police.

From looking here - http://members.shaw.ca/fz-pomd/giglist/stats2.html , two exceptions to "no dictators" were Spain in 1974 and Yugoslavia in 1975.


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I find the notion of designing tours around vaccination protocols to be quite amusing...I can picture the conversations:

"Cholera and hepatitis? Forget it, too many dictators in South America!"

"Smallpox, hepatitis, and malaria? I love Indian music but there's no way I could go a whole month without a hamburger!"


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At least FZ did two gigs behind the iron curtain when he played in Yugoslavia in 1975, which was ruled by communists at that time.

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And don't forget Pyongyang in 1976... :wink:


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last time I checked, Japan was part of Asia

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^^^^ A popular misconception. It's actually an Hawaiian island... :wink:


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No sense touring in places where people don't buy a lot of records. The Third World is notorious for not having electricity.

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BigLarry wrote:
No sense touring in places where people don't buy a lot of records. The Third World is notorious for not having electricity.

Big Larry

Sort of writing off two huge continents with some really big culturally active cities in them, aren't ya?

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Not quite true, Larry.

Albums sales and market value:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_indu ... rket_value

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I blame the dictators.

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It wasn't necessarily because he wasn't popular in these regions, it's that it's VERY expensive to tour and haul equipment half way around the world, only for a few gigs. For example, FZ only played Australia twice, even though Sydney & Melbourne are two of his top 5 highest grossing markets on earth (NYC, London & Tokyo, are the other three). In fact, ZPZ might schedule a few gigs in Asia (excluding Japan) & South America in the future...

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