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i agree on the censorship factor, and yes im personally guilty of feeding the troll, but he just couldnt take no for an answer. at first i thought the "banned" thing was a joke, but apparently not. he personally insulted the ZFT, dweezil, the members of ZPZ...and that is uncalled for IMO. he came in here with guns blazing....opening a can of worms, and waiting for the fireworks show that ensued....and he got it. dont talk shit about zft on my watch....thats basically talking shit about frankie, which doesnt fly in my book. soon we should start a thread about meetups at the ZPZ shows. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

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blah blah blah


he didn't even spell Colaiuta right. :mrgreen:

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I don't like censorship but this guy was crossing the line with his bullshit slander talk.

At one point, the ex-poster wrote "I know her very little but I do know her well enough to know that there is a musical goal here and not all profuit. Which is exaclty why they want outr information as to how toi improve the expereince and reach a l;arger audience. " (assuming you can translate that into english) this implies Gail was unhappy with the ZPZ line-up, and comes awfully close to malicious slander. My guess is this sort of comment had alot to do with the axe falling.

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he didn't even spell Colaiuta right. :mrgreen:
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Why ban a rambling drunk on a roll? Why was he a troll more than Trendy? What IS a troll? Aren't we all from time to time? I really don't like this ban decision. Hey, I come here on the Forum for the entertainment value, to read about my hero, to make a silly comment now and then. It's pure recreational. And suddenly to have collie and trendy at the same time, it was a treat!

Pathetic if ZFT really felt threathened by him and his lacking evidence (unless, of course, he was a former band member from which they feared future unpleasant revelations - ahah: conspiracy theorists unite!). Nobody believed him. We were just having fun with him. Hmmmm. In a few words: I hate censorship. And I do not think he was crossing any lines here. Not by a long shot (but I admit I may have missed a few "subtle" things as I could not read all his shit). :P

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I will not miss him one bit.


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just plain doug wrote:
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I don't like censorship but this guy was crossing the line with his bullshit slander talk.

At one point, the ex-poster wrote "I know her very little but I do know her well enough to know that there is a musical goal here and not all profuit. Which is exaclty why they want outr information as to how toi improve the expereince and reach a l;arger audience. " (assuming you can translate that into english) this implies Gail was unhappy with the ZPZ line-up, and comes awfully close to malicious slander. My guess is this sort of comment had alot to do with the axe falling.


The perception of Malicious Slander may very well be correct. I for one felt he was crossing the line from opinion on performance and objectives of the ZPZ Model to creating and or implying a Think Tank Agenda to slander and or reach personal goals. His statement led readers to beleive that the ZFT and a some corporation were in alliance to collect data for specific changes.

It was so blatantly obvious to some that something was wrong with this guys intent. This smelled like a Rebellion. Every time I have witnesssed an ounce of Authoritive & Authentic ZPZ was delivered clearly always following there documented objectives.

When this guy spoke he sounded like a spin doctor who wanted to put the family and band down. I think there are all sorts of people out there who pervert what they want Frank Zappa to be in their own fanatical way. You know they want to define what Official & Authoritive is. Additionally this is stretched to include a 5th degree of seperation for who will be in the ZPZ band. There were tryouts, lots appiled but only a few were chosen. What you see is what you get and from what I saw on 7 occasions last year these shows were something very special for the mass majority of all in attendance.


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Booting a nut off a forum is not censorship. It's not what he said, it's what he claimed. He was pitching "business" here and that is forbidden, no?
I think the ZFT can handle the criticism. That's not why he got the boot.


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I admit I'm a little surprised he got booted. He may have been slanderous but I never found him abusive or threatening. His manner was so unprofessional it was inconceivable that any of his claims could really carry much weight, especially to the ZFT. He was amusing at best, annoying at worst. I regret that I'll never get to see his "data". Though if he actually produced false data, then that would be outright fraudulent and would definitely be grounds for being banned.

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You know, I think Colauita68 is just Schillmonger posting as his alter ego. I mean the guy gave us all someone else to roast on these boards. Even made Schillmonger seem reasonable (relatively speaking of course) by comparison. hhhhm.

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There is no way they are one and the same.
No fucking way.
Trendy is in his own fucking world.
Apples And Oranges.
And I honestly don't think Trendy could be unbiased.
Sorry, just don't see it happening.

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What is the big problem with that colauita 68 guy? He has some issues
for sure. I’d start with recommending an AA meeting and he definitely needs to learn how to spell-check. And how to spell Colaiuta. But I’ve read his posts and his basic points are fine by me. I don’t see him insulting or slandering anybody. He said Gail was a great woman and he gives Dweezil a ton of credit for doing this. He was just so fi’ng emotional that’s for sure, all over the board man. But all I saw him saying, over and over I might add, is we have an opportunity to improve (?) and asked for suggestions. As goofy as he is, what is really wrong with that? Is that not why this forum is here? That said, there is a line between constructive criticism and constructive debate versus and just plain causing sh--, and while I saw nothing slanderous, I will say he crossed that line. Anyone agree?
I guess what I am getting at, as a new member, is the censorship concern. Was he banned for wanting to discuss ZPZ and not glorifying them? Or was it because he went about it in such a completely overbearing way, with all the business data claims, etc.? He was a di--head, but he did nothing illegal or insulting that I saw, only to people who insulted him first. He was basically a full of sh—blowhard, pretty harmless. I thought ZPZ was not that great myself. At the same time I’m not gonna sit here and claim all this bs about having access to industry–specific data and statistics and percentages of new fans, blah blah blah. To me all that is completely irrelevant, even if it was true. Frankly any of us can have access to that data if we try hard enough. But who cares? There is nothing anybody can say o do that will change what Dweez wants to do, and that is exactly how it should be. I’m not gonna think I am better than Dweez at doing this. This is hard music, it was just one tour, and I am keeping my mind open. I am sure they will keep getting better, and after a couple of more tours I bet that band will be totally scorching. There is talent there. I was at the Tower show and Imaginary Diseases and Cheepnis totally smoked. (I saw the Tower 2/13/88 FZ show as well, anyone else there? What a killer show.) So bottom line for me on ZPZ, I was disappointed, but there were some definite promising moments. It’s Dweez’s gig and I defer to him for his choices of band members and repertoire. I have complete faith that Dweez is the only person who can represent his father’s legacy properly and I give him credit for taking the chance with this. He knows he has a target on his back and a lot of people are going to be criticizing him. This isn’t the f’ing Police or Van Halen, this is Frank, so standards will be high. But he does it anyway and I am quite impressed with how he has handled everything. Very professionally, just like he handled growing up the son of a star. It is what it is, and I see them getting better and I will support the family morally and financially as I always have for over 20 years.
Shifting gears to more important matters, as a new guy on this forum, I am curious if anyone will be attending the Norfolk, VA or Asheville, NC shows. I am a D.C. guy transplanted to Charlotte. Secondly I am still a very active trader of live concert recordings. Is this a good place to try and meet other traders? Emphasis on trading of course, and I own all official releases. (Except Diseases and Buffalo – anybody have a review to offer on either?) I have a list and am hoping to forge some new relationships and swap some music. I’m pushing 40 and have been collecting FZ since the mid-‘80’s, I have about 800 hours. I love ’73 and ’74, I am still missing a handful of ’88 shows (like Grenoble), and will take basically anything I don’t have. I also love interviews. The only tour I caught was ’88 but am damn glad I did. I met Frank after the third Warner show and it is 2 minutes I will never forget. He said “the guitar that wouldn’t work” as he signed my tour program. If anyone was there 2.10.88, you may remember at the beginning of the second set his guitar was silent when he went to solo. Not once, but twice. I never did ask him if the guitar tech got fired.

Glad to meet everyone and normally my posts will be 2-3 sentences max. And who is Schillmonger?


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Wow. That's odd. A completely new user going on and on and on about this. Curious. Oh well, welcome anyway.


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The Black Page Part 2 wrote:
You know, I think Colauita68 is just Schillmonger posting as his alter ego. I mean the guy gave us all someone else to roast on these boards. Even made Schillmonger seem reasonable (relatively speaking of course) by comparison. hhhhm.

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There is no way they are one and the same.
No fucking way.
Trendy is in his own fucking world.
Apples And Oranges.
And I honestly don't think Trendy could be unbiased.
Sorry, just don't see it happening.


It's still an interesting theory though - presenting an extreme anti-ZPZ opinion which unites the rest of us together in support of ZPZ? Think about it. We were all actually on Trend's side for once.

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I thought ZPZ was not that great myself. At the same time I’m not gonna sit here and claim all this bs about having access to industry–specific data and statistics and percentages of new fans, blah blah blah. To me all that is completely irrelevant, even if it was true. Frankly any of us can have access to that data if we try hard enough.

So now that we can't ask culauita68 about the data, can you fill us in? (And welcome.)

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BillyDaMt wrote:
The Black Page Part 2 wrote:
You know, I think Colauita68 is just Schillmonger posting as his alter ego. I mean the guy gave us all someone else to roast on these boards. Even made Schillmonger seem reasonable (relatively speaking of course) by comparison. hhhhm.

*cue X-files theme. The Truth is Out There[/u]


There is no way they are one and the same.
No fucking way.
Trendy is in his own fucking world.
Apples And Oranges.
And I honestly don't think Trendy could be unbiased.
Sorry, just don't see it happening.


It's still an interesting theory though - presenting an extreme anti-ZPZ opinion which unites the rest of us together in support of ZPZ? Think about it. We were all actually on Trend's side for once.


Bite your tongue, me in agreement with Trendy, never!
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I thought ZPZ was not that great myself. At the same time I’m not gonna sit here and claim all this bs about having access to industry–specific data and statistics and percentages of new fans, blah blah blah. To me all that is completely irrelevant, even if it was true. Frankly any of us can have access to that data if we try hard enough.

So now that we can't ask culauita68 about the data, can you fill us in? (And welcome.)


Thanks. I was just trying to say how full of sh-- that guy was, making it sound like he was special for having access to "surveys" or whatever. I didn't see any survey forms at the show I went to. Sorry if I misled anyone. I have nothing specific to add on that, not at all. I was trying to say that if anybody tried hard enough, I am sure they could dig around the web and could probably find out ticket sales last year versus this year, or if there were any surveys done online and what the results were, but he would never give any web sites out. Just all nonsense. But like I said, to me all that is irrelevant anyway, its just more people's opinions. I say appreciate it for what it is, keep supporting them, be glad we have it, and leave it at that.


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it's ok to say "shit" here, really.


What about shithook?
That one ok too? :wink:

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You can't say Porn (=P-o-r-n) though, with is a shame for a Zappa site...

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jaypfunk wrote:
it's ok to say "shit" here, really.


sounds good. thanks for the info above re: zappateers. you looking for anything in particular? would love to get grenoble somehow, maybe cleveland if you (or anyone) have either of those.


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jaypfunk wrote:
it's ok to say "shit" here, really.


sounds good. thanks for the info above re: zappateers. you looking for anything in particular? would love to get grenoble somehow, maybe cleveland if you (or anyone) have either of those.


"And that's the way it goes sometimes, you just might find yourself in the clutches of a, Shithook..."


Which Tour you speaking of for Grenoble and Cleveland?

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BillyDaMt wrote:
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it's ok to say "shit" here, really.


What about shithook?
That one ok too? :wink:


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Kinda thought so.
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BillyDaMt wrote:
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You know, I think Colauita68 is just Schillmonger posting as his alter ego. I mean the guy gave us all someone else to roast on these boards. Even made Schillmonger seem reasonable (relatively speaking of course) by comparison. hhhhm.

*cue X-files theme. The Truth is Out There[/u]


There is no way they are one and the same.
No fucking way.
Trendy is in his own fucking world.
Apples And Oranges.
And I honestly don't think Trendy could be unbiased.
Sorry, just don't see it happening.


It's still an interesting theory though - presenting an extreme anti-ZPZ opinion which unites the rest of us together in support of ZPZ? Think about it. We were all actually on Trend's side for once.


Bite your tongue, me in agreement with Trendy, never!
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Folks it's not the TRENDY side of FranK Zappa.

Franks music speaks and you either get it or you do not. This Faker68 showed that he just does not get it. Some get it and some do not to loosly quote Joe Travers. I don't think this guy was supposed to get it. He's just a loser. It's his loss and that's just fine the way he goes arround talking all that crap.

I will gladly extend Joe's concept to how the ZFT deals with the artistic integrity of Frank Zappa.

Folks with the ZFT upholding Frank Zappa's Artitistic Intergrity You either get it or you do not. For anyone not to realize that the ZFT are the ones who should and are lovingly and faithfully upholding the artitistic integrity of Frank Zappa, in my opinion just does not get it and they are not supposed to.

So In My Book LOSERS.

Take a look at this Roxy/Overnight DVD that project is amazing.
I hope we can get one for Joe's Garage & Sheik Yerbouti.

Just wait till we get the ZPZ DVD and 2007 Tour.
Faker68 is a loser. He needs some amazing grace and I am not drinking any cool aid.

We can all agree or dissagree on any given issue and that is one thing that anyone with an open mind would agree upon. But fro anyone to say NEVER IN AGREEMENT. To not agree on any given issue just because of who is speaking is rediculous.

I had a boss one time if I said Black he said White.

This Boss did ask for opinions now and then so when I was asked I gave it, so I said started off the topic by talking about Black which happens to be the most popular and dependable trend in the industry. He never gave a responce as to his opinion of Black but always replied with a 180 and for this example he said White aan unpopular trend.

So, since he was the boss and brought up the topic of white, you know the unpopular trend I fugired we should talk about white. The Boss shows no interest in Black so lets talk white. So the minute I tried to discuss white when he asked me about white he changes the topic to Black.

He no longer was interested in White because he wanted to control every aspect and never let opinions be spoken. He was more about Authority than accomplishments of hsi team. He was so much a control freak that his project were rarely implimeted. He always talked about how everyone's opinion was important to make the project go forward because he was managing Network Engineers with over a decade of experience.

So since we worked together and had to accomplish stuff I would use my eyes and ears and only spoke my opinion if asked when given the chance or interjected on the bosses opinion when specifically asked given the chance.

Be it White Or Black some people have no skills for the job.
Neddles to say this boss was fired before his first review.

People should come here and have an honest opinion regardless of any previous statement by any forum member regardless of historical commentary.


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feetlightup wrote:
BillyDaMt wrote:
The Black Page Part 2 wrote:
You know, I think Colauita68 is just Schillmonger posting as his alter ego. I mean the guy gave us all someone else to roast on these boards. Even made Schillmonger seem reasonable (relatively speaking of course) by comparison. hhhhm.

*cue X-files theme. The Truth is Out There[/u]


There is no way they are one and the same.
No fucking way.
Trendy is in his own fucking world.
Apples And Oranges.
And I honestly don't think Trendy could be unbiased.
Sorry, just don't see it happening.


It's still an interesting theory though - presenting an extreme anti-ZPZ opinion which unites the rest of us together in support of ZPZ? Think about it. We were all actually on Trend's side for once.


Well, I haven't been here too long, but I haven't seen a single thread where Schillmonger is not flamed altogether, let alone one finding folks siding with him. Finding a poster who is a bigger tool than Schillmonger was not easy. Can't be true. I think he must have been created. :wink:

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Glad to meet everyone and normally my posts will be 2-3 sentences max. And who is Schillmonger?


Schillmonger = Trendmonger. I coined the phrase as a result of his endless myopic posts in support of the ZFT, including their puzzling decision to put down all zappa related efforts not "approved" by them.

In short, he is a Schill for the ZFT.

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