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I keep asking SPACEBROTHER over and over to answer the question..........



This is intended to help baddy and is in no way intended to be a slam or a joke.


Obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD) is an anxiety disorder characterized by intrusive thoughts that produce uneasiness, apprehension, fear, or worry, by repetitive behaviors aimed at reducing the associated anxiety, or by a combination of such obsessions and compulsions. Symptoms of the disorder include excessive washing or cleaning; repeated checking; extreme hoarding; preoccupation with sexual, violent or religious thoughts; aversion to particular numbers; and nervous rituals, such as opening and closing a door a certain number of times before entering or leaving a room. These symptoms can be alienating and time-consuming, and often cause severe emotional and financial distress. The acts of those who have OCD may appear paranoid and potentially psychotic. However, OCD sufferers generally recognize their obsessions and compulsions as irrational, and may become further distressed by this realization.

OCD is the fourth most common mental disorder, and is diagnosed nearly as often as asthma and diabetes mellitus. In the United States, one in 50 adults suffers from OCD. Obsessive–compulsive disorder affects children and adolescents as well as adults. Roughly one third to one half of adults with OCD report a childhood onset of the disorder, suggesting the continuum of anxiety disorders across the life span. The phrase "obsessive–compulsive" has become part of the English lexicon, and is often used in an informal or caricatured manner to describe someone who is excessively meticulous, perfectionistic, absorbed, or otherwise fixated. Although these signs are present in OCD, a person who exhibits them does not necessarily have OCD, and may instead have obsessive–compulsive personality disorder (OCPD), an autism spectrum disorder, or no clinical condition. Multiple psychological and biological factors may be involved in causing obsessive–compulsive syndromes. Standardized rating scales such as Yale–Brown Obsessive Compulsive Scale can be used to assess the severity of OCD symptoms.

Obsessions

Obsessions are thoughts that recur and persist despite efforts to ignore or confront them. People with OCD frequently perform tasks, or compulsions, to seek relief from obsession-related anxiety. Within and among individuals, the initial obsessions, or intrusive thoughts, vary in their clarity and vividness. A relatively vague obsession could involve a general sense of disarray or tension accompanied by a belief that life cannot proceed as normal while the imbalance remains. A more intense obsession could be a preoccupation with the thought or image of someone close to them dying. Other obsessions concern the possibility that someone or something other than oneself—such as God, the Devil, or disease—will harm either the person with OCD or the people or things that the person cares about. Others may sense that the physical world is qualified by certain immaterial conditions. These people might intuit invisible protrusions from their bodies, or could feel that inanimate objects are ensouled.

Some people with OCD experience sexual obsessions that may involve intrusive thoughts or images of "kissing, touching, fondling, oral sex, anal sex, intercourse, incest and rape" with "strangers, acquaintances, parents, children, family members, friends, coworkers, animals and religious figures", and can include "heterosexual or homosexual content" with persons of any age. As with other intrusive, unpleasant thoughts or images, most "normal" people have some disquieting sexual thoughts at times, but people with OCD may attach extraordinary significance to the thoughts. For example, obsessive fears about sexual orientation can appear to the person with OCD, and even to those around them, as a crisis of sexual identity. Furthermore, the doubt that accompanies OCD leads to uncertainty regarding whether one might act on the troubling thoughts, resulting in self-criticism or self-loathing.

People with OCD understand that their notions do not correspond with reality; however, they feel that they must act as though their notions are correct. For example, an individual who engages in compulsive hoarding might be inclined to treat inorganic matter as if it had the sentience or rights of living organisms, while accepting that such behavior is irrational on a more intellectual level. In severe OCD, obsessions can shift into delusions when resistance to the obsession is abandoned and insight into its senselessness is lost. (Insel and Akiskal (1986))

Compulsions

Some people with OCD perform compulsive rituals because they inexplicably feel they have to, others act compulsively so as to mitigate the anxiety that stems from particular obsessive thoughts. The person might feel that these actions somehow either will prevent a dreaded event from occurring, or will push the event from their thoughts. In any case, the individual's reasoning is so idiosyncratic or distorted that it results in significant distress for the individual with OCD or for those around them. Excessive skin picking (i.e., dermatillomania) or hair plucking (i.e., trichotillomania) and nail biting (i.e., onychophagia) are all on the Obsessive-Compulsive Spectrum. Individuals with OCD are aware that their thoughts and behavior are not rational, but they feel bound to comply with them to fend off feelings of panic or dread.

Some common compulsions include counting specific things (such as footsteps) or in specific ways (for instance, by intervals of two) and doing other repetitive actions, often with atypical sensitivity to numbers or patterns. People might repeatedly wash their hands[14] or clear their throats, make sure certain items are in a straight line, repeatedly check that their parked cars have been locked before leaving them, constantly organize in a certain way, turn lights on and off, keep doors closed at all times, touch objects a certain number of times before exiting a room, walk in a certain routine way like only stepping on a certain color of tile, or have a routine for using stairs, such as always finishing a flight on the same foot.

People rely on compulsions as an escape from their obsessive thoughts; however, they are aware that the relief is only temporary, that the intrusive thoughts will soon return. Some people use compulsions to avoid situations that may trigger their obsessions. Although some people do certain things over and over again, they do not necessarily perform these actions compulsively. For example, bedtime routines, learning a new skill, and religious practices are not compulsions. Whether or not behaviors are compulsions or mere habit depends on the context in which the behaviors are performed. For example, arranging and ordering DVDs for eight hours a day would be expected of one who works in a video store, but would seem abnormal in other situations. In other words, habits tend to bring efficiency to one's life, while compulsions tend to disrupt it.

In addition to the anxiety and fear that typically accompanies OCD, sufferers may spend hours performing such compulsions every day. In such situations, it can be hard for the person to fulfill their work, family, or social roles. In some cases, these behaviors can also cause adverse physical symptoms. For example, people who obsessively wash their hands with antibacterial soap and hot water can make their skin red and raw with dermatitis.

People with OCD can use rationalizations to explain their behavior; however, these rationalizations do not apply to the overall behavior but to each instance individually. For example, a person compulsively checking the front door may argue that the time taken and stress caused by one more check of the front door is much less than the time and stress associated with being robbed, and thus checking is the better option. In practice, after that check, the person is still not sure and deems it is still better to perform one more check, and this reasoning can continue as long as necessary.


Without overt compulsions

OCD sometimes manifests without overt compulsions. Nicknamed "Pure-O", OCD without overt compulsions could, by one estimate, characterize as many as 50 percent to 60 percent of OCD cases. Rather than engaging in observable compulsions, the person with this subtype might perform more covert, mental rituals, or might feel driven to avoid the situations in which particular thoughts seem likely to intrude. As a result of this avoidance, people can struggle to fulfill both public and private roles, even if they place great value on these roles and even if they had fulfilled the roles successfully in the past. Moreover, the individual's avoidance can confuse others who do not know its origin or intended purpose, as it did in the case of a man whose wife began to wonder why he would not hold their infant child.

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Biological

OCD has been linked to abnormalities with the neurotransmitter serotonin, although it could be either a cause or an effect of these abnormalities. Serotonin is thought to have a role in regulating anxiety. To send chemical messages from one neuron to another, serotonin must bind to the receptor sites located on the neighboring nerve cell. It is hypothesized that the serotonin receptors of OCD sufferers may be relatively understimulated. This suggestion is consistent with the observation that many OCD patients benefit from the use of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs), a class of antidepressant medications that allow for more serotonin to be readily available to other nerve cells.

A possible genetic mutation may contribute to OCD. A mutation has been found in the human serotonin transporter gene, hSERT, in unrelated families with OCD. Moreover, data from identical twins supports the existence of a "heritable factor for neurotic anxiety". Further, individuals with OCD are more likely to have first-degree family members exhibiting the same disorders than do matched controls. In cases where OCD develops during childhood, there is a much stronger familial link in the disorder than cases in which OCD develops later in adulthood. In general, genetic factors account for 45-65% of OCD symptoms in children diagnosed with the disorder. Environmental factors also play a role in how these anxiety symptoms are expressed; various studies on this topic are in progress and the presence of a genetic link is not yet definitely established.

People with OCD evince increased grey matter volumes in bilateral lenticular nuclei, extending to the caudate nuclei, while decreased grey matter volumes in bilateral dorsal medial frontal/anterior cingulate gyri. These findings contrast with those in people with other anxiety disorders, who evince decreased (rather than increased) grey matter volumes in bilateral lenticular / caudate nuclei, while also decreased grey matter volumes in bilateral dorsal medial frontal/anterior cingulate gyri. Orbitofrontal cortex overactivity is attenuated in patients who have successfully responded to SSRI medication, a result believed to be caused by increased stimulation of serotonin receptors 5-HT2A and 5-HT2C. The striatum, linked to planning and the initiation of appropriate actions, has also been implicated; mice genetically engineered with a striatal abnormality exhibit OCD-like behavior, grooming themselves three times as frequently as ordinary mice. Recent evidence supports the possibility of a heritable predisposition for neurological development favoring OCD.

Rapid onset of OCD in children may be caused by Group A streptococcal infection, a condition hypothesized by its acronym PANDAS.

Neurotransmitters role

Researchers have yet to pinpoint the exact cause of OCD, but brain differences, genetic influences, and environmental factors are being studied. Brain scans of people with OCD have shown that they have different patterns of brain activity than people without OCD and that different functioning of circuitry within a certain part of the brain, the striatum, may cause the disorder. Differences in other parts of the brain and an imbalance of brain chemicals, especially serotonin and dopamine, may also contribute to OCD. Independent studies have consistently found unusual dopamine and serotonin activity in various regions of the brain in individuals with OCD. These can be defined as dopaminergic hyperfunction in the prefrontal cortex and serotonergic hypofunction in the basal ganglia.

Diagnosis

Formal diagnosis may be performed by a psychologist, psychiatrist, clinical social worker, or other licensed mental health professional. To be diagnosed with OCD, a person must have obsessions, compulsions, or both, according to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). The Quick Reference to the 2000 edition of the DSM suggests that several features characterize clinically significant obsessions and compulsions. Such obsessions, the DSM says, are recurrent and persistent thoughts, impulses, or images that are experienced as intrusive and that cause marked anxiety or distress. These thoughts, impulses, or images are of a degree or type that lies outside the normal range of worries about conventional problems.[clarification needed] A person may attempt to ignore or suppress such obsessions, or to neutralize them with some other thought or action, and will tend to recognize the obsessions as idiosyncratic or irrational.

Compulsions become clinically significant when a person feels driven to perform them in response to an obsession, or according to rules that must be applied rigidly, and when the person consequently feels or causes significant distress. Therefore, while many people who do not suffer from OCD may perform actions often associated with OCD (such as ordering items in a pantry by height), the distinction with clinically significant OCD lies in the fact that the person who suffers from OCD must perform these actions, otherwise they will experience significant psychological distress. These behaviors or mental acts are aimed at preventing or reducing distress or preventing some dreaded event or situation; however, these activities are not logically or practically connected to the issue, or they are excessive. In addition, at some point during the course of the disorder, the individual must realize that their obsessions or compulsions are unreasonable or excessive. Moreover, the obsessions or compulsions must be time-consuming (taking up more than one hour per day) or cause impairment in social, occupational, or scholastic functioning. It is helpful to quantify the severity of symptoms and impairment before and during treatment for OCD. In addition to the patient’s estimate of the time spent each day harboring obsessive-compulsive thoughts or behaviors, Fenske and Schwenk in their article “Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder: Diagnosis and Management,” argue that more concrete tools should be used to gauge the patient’s condition (2009). This may be done with rating scales, such as the most trusted Yale–Brown Obsessive Compulsive Scale (Y-BOCS). With measurements like these, psychiatric consultation can be more appropriately determined because it has been standardized.

Differential diagnosis

OCD is often confused with the separate condition obsessive–compulsive personality disorder(OCPD). OCD is ego dystonic, meaning that the disorder is incompatible with the sufferer's self-concept. Because disorders that are ego dystonic go against a person's self-concept, they tend to cause much distress. OCPD, on the other hand, is ego syntonic—marked by the person's acceptance that the characteristics displayed as a result of this disorder are compatible with his or her self-image.

People with OCD are often aware that their behavior is not rational and are unhappy about their obsessions but nevertheless feel compelled by them. People with OCPD are not aware of anything abnormal; they will readily explain why their actions are rational, and it is usually impossible to convince them otherwise.

People with OCD are ridden with anxiety; by contrast, people with OCPD tend to derive pleasure from their obsessions or compulsions.

Some OCD sufferers exhibit what is known as overvalued ideas. In such cases, the person with OCD will truly be uncertain whether the fears that cause them to perform their compulsions are irrational or not. After some discussion, it is possible to convince the individual that their fears may be unfounded. It may be more difficult to do ERP therapy on such patients because they may be unwilling to cooperate, at least initially. For this reason OCD has often been likened to a disease of pathological doubt, in which the sufferer, though not usually delusional, is often unable to realize fully which dreaded events are reasonably possible and which are not.[citation needed] There are severe cases in which the sufferer has an unshakeable belief in the context of OCD that is difficult to differentiate from psychosis.

OCD is different from behaviors such as gambling addiction and overeating. People with these disorders typically experience at least some pleasure from their activity; OCD sufferers do not actively want to perform their compulsive tasks and experience no pleasure from doing so.

OCD can, like many forms of chronic stress, lead to clinical depression over time. The constant stress of the condition can cause sufferers to develop a deadening of spirit, a numbing frustration, or sense of hopelessness. OCD's effects on day-to-day life, particularly its substantial consumption of time, can produce difficulties with work, finances, and relationships. There is no known cure for OCD, but a number of successful treatment options are available.


Behavioral therapy

The specific technique used in BT/CBT is called exposure and ritual prevention (also known as "exposure and response prevention") or ERP; this involves gradually learning to tolerate the anxiety associated with not performing the ritual behavior. At first, for example, someone might touch something only very mildly "contaminated" (such as a tissue that has been touched by another tissue that has been touched by the end of a toothpick that has touched a book that came from a "contaminated" location, such as a school.) That is the "exposure". The "ritual prevention" is not washing. Another example might be leaving the house and checking the lock only once (exposure) without going back and checking again (ritual prevention). The person fairly quickly habituates to the anxiety-producing situation and discovers that their anxiety level has dropped considerably; they can then progress to touching something more "contaminated" or not checking the lock at all—again, without performing the ritual behavior of washing or checking.

Exposure ritual/response prevention (ERP) has a strong evidence base. It is generally considered the most effective treatment for OCD.

It has generally been accepted that psychotherapy, in combination with psychotropic medication, is more effective than either option alone. However, more recent studies have shown no difference in outcomes for those treated with the combination of medicine and CBT versus CBT alone.

More recent behavioral work has focused on associative splitting. It is a new technique aimed at reducing obsessive thoughts. The method draws upon the “fan effect” of associative priming: The sprouting of new associations diminishes the strength of existing ones. As OCD patients show marked biases or restrictions in OCD-related semantic networks (e.g., cancer is only associated with “illness” or “death”, fire is only associated with “danger” or “destruction”), they are encouraged to imagine neutral or positive associations to OCD-related cognitions (cancer = zodiac sign, animal, crab; fire = fireflies, fireworks, candlelight-dinner). First studies tentatively confirm the feasibility and effectiveness of the approach for a subgroup of patients.


Medication

Medications as treatment include selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) such as paroxetine, sertraline, fluoxetine, escitalopram and fluvoxamine and the tricyclic antidepressants, in particular clomipramine. SSRIs prevent excess serotonin from being pumped back into the original neuron that released it. Instead, serotonin can then bind to the receptor sites of nearby neurons and send chemical messages or signals that can help regulate the excessive anxiety and obsessive thoughts. In some treatment-resistant cases, a combination of clomipramine and an SSRI has shown to be effective even when neither drug on its own has been efficacious.

Treatment of OCD is an area needing significant improvement in prescribing regimens. Benzodiazepines are sometimes used, although they are generally believed to be ineffective for treating OCD; however, effectiveness was found in one small study. Serotonergic antidepressants typically take longer to show benefit in OCD than with most other disorders they are used to treat. It is common for 2–3 months to elapse before any tangible improvement is noticed. In addition to this, treatment usually requires high dosages. Fluoxetine, for example, is usually prescribed in dosages of 20 mg per day for clinical depression, whereas with OCD the dosage often ranges from 20 mg to 80 mg or higher, if necessary. In most cases antidepressant therapy alone provides only a partial reduction in symptoms, even in cases that are not deemed treatment resistant. Much current research is devoted to the therapeutic potential of the agents that affect the release of the neurotransmitter glutamate or the binding to its receptors. These include riluzole, memantine, gabapentin, N-Acetylcysteine, and lamotrigine. MDMA, which is a powerful and illicit serotonergic drug, has also been anecdotally reported to temporarily alleviate the symptoms of OCD.

The atypical antipsychotics olanzapine, quetiapine, and risperidone have also been found to be useful as adjuncts to an SSRI in treatment-resistant OCD. However, these drugs are often poorly tolerated, and have significant metabolic side effects that limit their use. None of the atypical antipsychotics have demonstrated efficacy as a monotherapy.


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baddy wrote:
And if SPACEBROTHERS going to renig on his statement above............. and how many thousands he's willing to kill to get it.



After reading through many of baddy's posts, and how he seems to include me in most of them, I'm thoroughly convinced that he has OCD. You need serious treatment baddy. It is unhealthy for you to live that way and you will likely hurt yourself or someone close if you go without treatment any longer. I now understand what is really up with you and recognise that you have some deeper issues going on. It would be to your benefit to seek professional help asap.

I hope you recognise at this point that I'm only trying to help you. Here are some resources to aid in your recovery.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/o ... ndex.shtml

http://www.ocfoundation.org/

http://www.medicinenet.com/obsessive_co ... rticle.htm

http://www.webmd.com/anxiety-panic/guid ... e-disorder

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/obse ... order.html

I'm not posting this as a joke or a slam. I honestly believe that you may be in need of some serious help.


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....meanwhile....

This could be our next president..........

Sarah Palin claims Paul Revere warned the British

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washing ... -arms.html

Sarah Palin, if you haven't heard, is taking some of her family around the country, visiting historical U.S. landmarks, and talking to the media along the way.

Thursday her "One Nation" traveling road show stopped in Boston, where the former Alaska governor, her parents, her husband, and little Piper visited Paul Revere's house, the Old North Church, and Bunker Hill. Palin posted photos of that leg of her trip on the SarahPAC blog.

One moment that you won't find posted on the blog is Palin's response to reporters when they asked her who Paul Revere was. Instead of saying, "Come on, everyone knows who Paul Revere, the silversmith and patriot is," she stammered while saying this:

"He who warned, uh, the British that they weren’t gonna be takin’ away our arms, uh, by ringing those bells, and um, makin' sure as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be sure and we were going to be free, and we were going to be armed."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp ... &gt1=43001


Sarah Palin – “Paul Revere Warned…The British?”

http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/ ... e-british/

Those of you who are regular readers know that, as a rule, I do not write about Sarah Palin. I stay away from her because I believe she represents the worst of American culture – all flash, no substance.

But to every rule there is an exception – and today is that exception.

Appearing yesterday in Boston during the latest stop on her Summer Vacation Tour, Palin did more than simply step all over Mitt Romney’s announcement- she gave us an important lesson in American history as Palin shared the following information about Paul Revere -

"He who warned, uh, the British that they weren’t going to be taking away our arms uh by ringing those bells and making sure as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free and we were going to be armed."

This certainly gives us an entirely new point of view to consider when examining our nation’s founding.

While I had been led to believe that Revere’s historic ride was actually for the purpose of warning our forefathers that the British were coming, it turns out that his midnight ride, complete with ringing bells and warning shots, was really all about letting the English know that we were armed.

No wonder the British lost. They apparently went into the Revolutionary War in the mistaken belief that we would not be armed and, as a result, failed to bring sufficient weaponry of their own.

Fortunately, Revere’s warning apparently arrived too late. It is, after all, a long trip back to London to pick up one’s musket and then return to the colonies to get into the battle.

Of course, Palin is not the only ninny pretending to be a leader of this country without having much understanding of our history. We all recall Michele Bachmann telling a New Hampshire audience how the Revolution began in their state at Concord and Lexington – which, of course, are in Massachusetts.

Then there was Herman Cain’s speech during which he announced his candidacy for the GOP nod to run for President of the United States by saying –

"We don’t need to rewrite the Constitution of the United States of America, we need to reread the Constitution and enforce the Constitution. … And I know that there are some people that are not going to do that, so for the benefit of those who are not going to read it because they don’t want us to go by the Constitution, there’s a little section in there that talks about “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

The thing is that when you do reread the Constitution, you will find that the words ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” will not be found in that august document. You will, however, find them in the Declaration of Independence.

I understand that people sometimes get confused when speaking extemporaneously. When Tim Pawlenty confused Iran and Iraq, I didn’t find it particularly disturbing. Any of us could have made such an error. I can even cut Bachmann a break as she may have had a momentary brain freeze and gotten confused as to what state she was in during her speech. It happens when people spend a lot of time on the road.

Of course, how we explain all of Rep. Bachmann’s other gaffes in relating American history is a different matter.

But could you imagine yourself saying that Paul Revere was warning the British? Yes, it could have been one of those, “Oops, I meant to say the Americans…not the British.”

But that is clearly not what happened. Plug the word ‘Americans’ into what Palin had to say and it still makes absolutely no sense.

As for Mr. Cain, one would think that a speech announcing your candidacy to become the leader of the Free World would be considered a pretty important moment in one’s life- hardly a speech that would be given extemporaneously.

Wouldn’t you imagine that Cain – or someone on his staff- would have proofread the speech a few times before delivery and realized they were mixing up the U.S. Constitution and Declaration of Independence?

You get what you pay for, folks.




....Need I say more? You actually want your Nader votes to put this dumbass nutcase or Herman Cain in office? Palin and Herman Cain are as dumb as a box of rocks.


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......check, check, one two..... :lol:

.....another potential Nader vote byproduct.....

2012 Republican hopefuls court religious right

Candidates gather for Faith and Freedom Coalition's two-day conference

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43279262/ns/politics

WASHINGTON — A gathering of religious conservatives drew nearly all the GOP presidential hopefuls to a single stage, a claim that a South Carolina debate and a well-publicized forum in New Hampshire couldn't make about their recent events.

The Faith and Freedom Coalition's two-day conference proved that the religious right still plays a major role in the nominating process, even if it's less organized than during the Christian Coalition's heyday and economic issues are dominating the early campaign.

The gathering was a tryout for candidates hoping to fill a void left by former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee. The Southern Baptist minister won the 2008 Iowa caucus but is not running this time.

Most of the candidates spent more time on money issues than on spiritual matters on the opening day of the conference Friday. But they generally portrayed the federal debt and health care policies as moral concerns.

They also paid tribute to religious conservatives who often place abortion, gay marriage and other social issues ahead of questions such as taxes and spending.

Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman bypassed a large scrum of journalists but did give an interview to the Christian-oriented CBN network.

"I do not believe the Republican Party should focus solely on our economic life to the neglect of our human life," Huntsman told the conference audience of several hundred after citing numerous anti-abortion laws he signed as governor.

Huntsman and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney are Mormons, a group eyed suspiciously by some Christian conservatives. They did not directly mention Mormonism in their remarks.

Republican presidential hopeful, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. The Republican contenders who seem to be making the most direct appeals to evangelical voters are former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who didn't attend but sent a video message.

Pawlenty, a Catholic-turned-Protestant evangelical, opened and closed his remarks with biblical quotes. His said his top four "commonsense principles" for the nation are to turn toward God, protect the unborn, support traditional marriage and keep Americans secure.

Bachmann, inching toward a presidential bid, reminded the audience that she home-schooled her five children and served as foster mother to 23 others. She said "marriage is under siege" in America and she ended with a prayer that asked a blessing for President Barack Obama, whom she had sharply criticized moments earlier.

Romney, seen as the Republicans' early front-runner, may have the toughest task in wooing religious conservatives. As a Senate candidate and one-term governor in Massachusetts, he supported legalized abortion, gay rights and gun control.

Romney has reversed his stands on those positions. Since speakers didn't take audience questions at the event, he had an easier time than he will in other settings.

He cited "our belief in the sanctity of human life," and said marriage should apply to "one man and one woman." Romney blamed Obama for the nation's high unemployment. Job losses can push marriages to the breaking point, he said, calling it "a moral crisis."

Rep. Ron Paul of Texas mixed quotes from the Bible's first book of Samuel with his familiar libertarian proposals, such as returning to the gold standard.

All these lines got applause. Still, a sense of unease sometimes hung over the event. Organizers acknowledged that some religious conservatives are not happy with the heavy emphasis on economic matters these days.

The audience members sat silently when Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour urged them to embrace the eventual nominee despite the certainty that they will disagree with him or her on some issues.

"Purity is the enemy of victory," said Barbour, who has decided against his own presidential bid.

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Purity? Moral crisis? Commonsense principals? Marriage is under siege? Bible's first book of Samuel......returning to the gold standard? Really? Are you fucking kidding me? :roll:

* Appropriate excerpt from "Jesus Thinks You're A Jerk" by Frank Zappa.....

"With a Ku-Klux muu-muu
In the back of the truck,
If you ain't Born Again,
They wanna mess you up, screamin':
"No abortion, no-siree!"
"Life's too precious, can't you see!"
(What's that hangin' from a neighbor's tree?
Why, it looks like 'colored folks' to me --
Would THEY do THAT . . .
They've been doin' it for years!
Seriously?)" ~ Zappa




A Drunk Dude From South Dakota Who Is Probably A Decent Guy But I Still Gotta Fuck With Him Despite Our Political Differences And Who Shall Remain Nameless, Maybe He Has A Sense Of Humor wrote:
No Obama will do for now so will you please go NOW


* see Zappa lyric above


But, hey! What if Palin gets in the White House,
(No fuckin' way, Ike,
You know what I mean)
The rights of 'certain people' disappear
Mysteriously?

Now, wouldn't that sort of qualify
As an American Tragedy?
(Especially if they cover it up, sayin'
"Jesus told it to me!")
(I mean vapor tight, we're like this, okay?
I mean that)
I hope we never see that day,
(I mean that. Right here. It's hot. It's hot.)
In The Land of The Free --
Or someday will we?
(2012?)
Will we?
(2016?)


So I changed a lyric, sue me. Better yet, lets blame it all on all of the Native American Indians in South Dakota. Thats what some folks would do, who shall go nameless... :mrgreen: :wink: :lol:


On a serious note. Militant American religious fanatic WhiteRight-Wing people are more desperate than ever to push a Fascist-Theocracy agenda on everybody, not just us Yanks, but everybody. Dominus Vo-bisque 'em Et come spear a tu-tu, Oh indeed....


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Boy SPACEBROTHER, what a load of snow.
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This is intended to help baddy and is in no way intended to be a slam or a joke....After reading through many of baddy's posts, and how he seems to include me in most of them, I'm thoroughly convinced that he has OCD. You need serious treatment baddy. It is unhealthy for you to live that way and you will likely hurt yourself or someone close if you go without treatment any longer. I now understand what is really up with you and recognise that you have some deeper issues going on. It would be to your benefit to seek professional help asap.

I hope you recognise at this point that I'm only trying to help you. Here are some resources to aid in your recovery.


You give me all those "FUCK YOU's," a million nasty personal attacks, spam the forum repeatedly with poop on a plate pictures and nwy YOU want to help ME?

Well maybe we shouldn't believe that; maybe you're just lieing about that.

...Oh no, you wouldn't lie, would you.
Trolls lie.

Really though, that was quite a large load of crap we didn't need to get spammed with.

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You see it's important to make it very clear that you cannot answer the questions about the killing you're wanting us to vote for more of; to let you continually push killing and let it go unopposed is not what I consider moral...active promotion of senseless killing MUST be opposed as long as it is occurring and as long as it is being repeatedly pushed for.

One should not allow someone to push senseless killing because he already tried to stop it; just say, "you go ahead and push all your killing, I already tried to stop you and failed...so it's OK now, go sahead and push your killing.

I'm giving you every opportunity to back up why this killing is necessary and you're not answering. I'm asking you important questions such as why are you supporting the one who is doing it, and saying he is "Great." "The Greatest President in History" who is senselessly killing troops and innocent civillians including thousands of women and CHILDREN.

You would have me tell this father that SPACEBROTHER says I should give up on challenging him on why he is pushing the one who sent the drone and killed your kids? I should tell this father that I have a disorder for continuing to challenge the one who put Obama's finger on the trigger and says we should keep obamas finger on the trigger?

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So I have a disorder now for continuing to challenge you as you continue to recommend we support their killer as one of the "Greatest Presidents in History." Oh really? The Greatest President in History killed them and you can't even give a reason why they died...but you continue promoting their killer?

Who has the disorder here?

I want it real obvious that you cannot justify this killing that you are pushing.
And you are helping me make that real obvious.

When 2012 rolls around and you push more killing I want everyone to instantly be revolted by your words.

I want the connection "Obama - dead kids that SPACEBROTHER desn't answer about."

You are helping me make that connection with your inability to answer. No one wants to have to back uop their promotion of killing kids with spam, evasion, and personal attacks on those who want to stop the killing.

Your inability to answer is initself an answer. You are greatlly helping me make an Obomba vote plenty revolting.

Killing kids makes most peole want to puke...only some can look the other way to it and vote for more of it.

But we get all kinds in here.

You see the regularity of the innocents dying when I post them, nearly every day your Great President kills scores of innocents.

If Pakistan drones were flying over California you would tell me, "don't worry about it, you have a disorder for continually trying to fight the drones, just let the drones continue to kill americans...in fact VOTE FOR MORE DRONES to be killing innocent americans."

Who has the disorder here?

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You are corrct that my posts center on you because you are the only one repeatedly telling us to what a Great President your obomba is...You KNEW of Obomba's plans to greatly escalate the Afghan war (from 33, 000 10 100, 000 troops, and TRIPLE the drone strikes which caused a HUGE spike in the killing of innocents...AND YOU PUSHED HIM AND VOTED FOR HIM ANYWAY.

I define evil as "knowing ahead of time that people will be hurt as a result of your action, but going ahead and doing it anyway."

And you STILL push Obama and his killing...54 dead innocents last week, and more the day before yesterday...4 troops were killed this morning.

You know your pushing of Obama will result in more innocent deats and you push him anyway...even say he is a GREAT PRESIDENT.

What did they die for SPACEBROTHER?

You didn't like ythe killing when Bush was doing it...now it's good that Obama is doing it, and we should all vote for MORE?

Are you fucking nuts?

I will fight this evil, it would even be evil to give up on fighting against it, (because people would be hurt as a result of inaction).

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You see I would have disorder if I asked you why you are backing this killing AND YOU ANSWERED WHY YOU ARE BACKING THIS KILLING, and then I asked you again and again after you answered again and again...but you haven't answered, you keep posting attacks on me, evarion and distraction snow instead of just answering.

You are the only one on the forum takling about this "Greaest President in History" and if you were not, then of course I would stop chasing you around about your recommendations for MORE killing.

You see I know full well you have no answer to that...you are simply looking the other way to the killing your vote causes; you are looking the other way to the killing you are promoting others to vote for....and not telling them about the dark side of your recommendation.

If you weren't promoting this killing I wouldn't have to keep pointing out:

1. That you are promoting senseless killing, and
2. You cannot answer when questioned on the senseless killing you are promotion.

I would also stop posting if you would post things like "Obama is one of the Greatest Persidents in History but when I suggest you vote for him I want you to know that you are also voting for a lot of senseless killing of innocents including thousands of women and childern.

Children are such dear things...they are not to be killed by drones.

But you don't warn people that that's what you'd like them to vote for, you leave that part out. Why do you leave that part out? Is it because you don't want people to know about what you are asking them to vote for? Are you manipulating them? Is not manipulation a sign of a character disorder?

Who has the character disorder? Voting for killing, suggesting others do as well, and hiding by omission the killing you are asking them to vote for? That's evil, and that's manipulation...and you say I'M the one with a character disorder?

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Perhaps you'll join your hero Obomba in apologizing for these 9 dead kids?

...or do you want us all to vote for MORE of it.

Afghanistan: More children killed in US-NATO air attacks

A NATO helicopter strike in the southern Afghanistan province of Helmand last Friday killed seven civilians, including three children. The atrocity is the latest in a series of recent US-led bombing operations that have inflicted mass civilian casualties.

Nine children collecting firewood were killed on March 1 in an airstrike in northeastern Kunar province. This prompted desperate apologies from President Barack Obama and General David Petraeus, aimed at placating enormous anger among ordinary Afghans.

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You ready to join the peace movement and start criticizing Obama? You also said you'd criticizing him if the Afghan war isn't over by July. Why don't you just admit you were wrong about Obama (as many have done, and as I did with Clinton), and fight AGAINST the senseless killing instead of promoting it. Why don't you get a 3 week head start on your promise from last year before any more kids are killed with your approval. We had to wait through thousands more of innocent deaths in both Pakistan and Afghanastan whie we waited for youj to make up your mind to criticize the killing by next month...why don't you get a head start on renouncing Obama and his senseless killing?

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Is it just me or do most of us wade through all the I'm not/you are bullshit to get to the funny posts?

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I've stopped caring myself and am all in favour for Baddy and Spacebrother to take their silly feud to PM. When a discussion is getting no-where it's better to walk away from it altogether. No need to bounce the same allegations back and forth like an Isner vs Mahut tennis match.

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I've stopped caring myself and am all in favour for Baddy and Spacebrother to take their silly feud to PM. When a discussion is getting no-where it's better to walk away from it altogether. No need to bounce the same allegations back and forth like an Isner vs Mahut tennis match.

This is true....but I like and respect both baddy and spacebro....and besides this feud can't even come close to the jayp/isaac spats of a few years back.

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You give me all those "FUCK YOU's," a million nasty personal attacks, spam the forum repeatedly with poop on a plate pictures and nwy YOU want to help ME?


You DID accuse me of being a murderer baddy. So what kind of a response do you expect from me? A pat on the back? A hug? A congratulatory " well you sure got me"? Really baddy, get over yourself. I can smell your ego all the way from here. You talk down to everybody who doesn't agree with you, and it isn't just me, though I'm the only one that I'm aware of that you directly accused of being a murderer........

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And if SPACEBROTHERS going to renig on his statement above............. and how many thousands he's willing to kill to get it.


It's one thing to have a dialog about politics, world peace ect, but to directly accuse somebody you are having the discussion with of being a murderer and to use their recently deceast family members to push a compulsive obssesive argument is the absolute lowest of lows. There aren't enough FUCK YOUs in the world to adequetly respond to your obsessive compulsory accusation SPAM.


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Galoot Co-Log-Nuh wrote:
BBP wrote:
I've stopped caring myself and am all in favour for Baddy and Spacebrother to take their silly feud to PM. When a discussion is getting no-where it's better to walk away from it altogether. No need to bounce the same allegations back and forth like an Isner vs Mahut tennis match.

This is true....but I like and respect both baddy and spacebro....and besides this feud can't even come close to the jayp/isaac spats of a few years back.



It is a redundant feud BBP. As much as I hate to be one of several of us to call baddy out on his phoney "peace" crusade, I'm not going to let him get away with accusing me of being a murderer.

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.......anyways, back to the thread.....

More Right-Wing Neo-Con Republican lunacy.....

This is who your Nader votes could put into office.......


Palin: I didn't mess up Paul Revere history

The former Alaska governor was in Boston when she was asked about the Revolutionary War hero

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43285196/ns/politics/

WASHINGTON — Sarah Palin insisted Sunday that history was on her side when she claimed that Paul Revere's famous ride was intended to warn both British soldiers and his fellow colonists.

"You realize that you messed up about Paul Revere, don't you?" "Fox News Sunday" anchor Chris Wallace asked the potential 2012 presidential candidate.

"I didn't mess up about Paul Revere," replied Palin, a paid contributor to the network.

"Part of his ride was to warn the British that were already there. That, hey, you're not going to succeed. You're not going to take American arms. You are not going to beat our own well-armed persons, individual, private militia that we have," she added. "He did warn the British."

Palin, who again said she has not decided whether to run for president, was asked about the Revolutionary War hero during a stop Thursday in Boston on her East Coast bus tour.

"He who warned the British that they weren't gonna be takin' away our arms by ringing those bells, and makin' sure as he's riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be sure and we were going to be free, and we were going to be armed."

Palin's brush with the nation's history came toward the end of her "One Nation" bus tour that generated intense interest as she traveled from Washington to New England. Along the way, she steadfastly refused "a million times" to say whether she was running for president.

"I'm publicizing Americana and our foundation and how important it is that we learn about our past and our challenges and victories throughout American history, so that we can successfully proceed forward," Palin said in the broadcast interview. "It's not a campaign tour."

And was she leaning toward or against running, Palin was asked?

"Still right there in the middle," she said.

There's no ambiguity about the intense interest Palin generates, a point that doesn't sit comfortably in some quarters of a party without a clear front-runner to face President Barack Obama next year.

Palin's closely watched bus trip is a key example. Its camera-ready events competed for coverage in the same week and region as former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney's entry into the race. His candidacy is perhaps the most formidable of the emerging field.

Palin's political tease generated lukewarm reaction from members of the GOP establishment.

Asked Sunday whether he could envision supporting Palin for president, Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, a former hopeful, told "Face the Nation" on CBS: "If Barack Obama was the head of the other ticket, I could."

For her part, Palin was contrite.

"I apologize if I stepped on any, any of that PR that Mitt Romney needed or wanted that day," Palin said. "I do sincerely apologize. I didn't mean to step on anybody's toes."

While she continued to insist that she wasn't competing for anything in particular, Palin said she would welcome Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, another Republican with tea party appeal, to the race.

"More competition, the better," Palin said.

For now, Palin is clearly grappling with the downside of celebrity.

Even her otherwise successful media events can leave lingering questions about Palin's grasp of and interest in history, public policy and other subjects of substance.

On Sunday, Palin insisted she was right about the purpose of Revere's famous "midnight ride."

"I know my American history," she told Wallace.

The Paul Revere House's website says that on April 18, 1775, Dr. Joseph Warren instructed Revere to ride to Lexington, Mass., to warn Samuel Adams and John Hancock that British troops were marching to arrest them. In an undated letter posted by the Massachusetts Historical Society, Revere wrote of the need to keep his activities secret and his suspicion that a member of his tight circle of planners had become a British informant.

According to the letter, written around 1798, Revere did give up some details of the plan to the British that night, but after he had notified other colonists, and under questioning by British soldiers.

Surrounded, Revere revealed "there would be five hundred Americans there in a short time, for I had alarmed the Country all the way up," he wrote.

More downside for Palin is that nothing is private.

Looming in the week ahead is Alaska's release of 24,000 pages of emails sent and received by Palin during her time as governor. They will provide an inside look into her rise from obscurity to a spot on the national stage.

The emails cover a majority of her short term as governor and could provide the most insight into how she governed the nation's largest state. Her only other elected office was as a two-term mayor of her hometown of Wasilla, Alaska, which has a population of about 7,000.

The emails cover the first 21 months of Palin's tenure, ending in September 2008, after GOP presidential nominee John McCain selected her to be his running mate.

Palin resigned partway through her term, in July 2009.

"Every rock in the Palin household that could ever be kicked over and uncovered anything, it's already been kicked over," Palin said, noting that a lot of the emails are between staff and family members and were not meant for public consumption. The letters, she said, "won't distract me."


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I wonder if this crosshairs map has led to any assasination attempts?

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Palin is a paid contributor to FOX?

Is that legal?
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I'll soon post what happened below to show that I did not call SPACEBROTHER a murderer, and that he is using that adulterated quote to avoid answering about his voting advice for war escalation, and killing escalation, the price of his pro-Obombawars voting advice.

Obama is killing a lot of people now, and SB is advising we vote for more of that in his pro-Obomba voting advice.

SB is clearly advising us to vote for killing my brothers (both troops and innocent civillians), for no good purpose. I object to people giving advice to vote for killing my brothers, so I question him on it...and he won't answer to it.

He deleted the original question, then took words out of the hypothetical question, and then put select words from it in bold so people would quickly read just part of the hypothetical IF question and take it out of context that I am calling him a murderer.

The hypothetical IF question was to make a point to show the price of going back on his word, IF he was going to go back on his word:
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If the war in Afghanistan doesn't end by next July, then I'll start to criticise Obama.
Now I would assume SB is NOT going to go back on his word and he is going to start criticizing Obama next month as he said he would...if that is the case, then the second statement he keeps posting his adulterated quotes of does not even apply to him...so what is he worried about...it is a hypothetical IF QUESTION, not a statement that he is a murderer.

He cannot answer the question of why these people are being injured and dying, so he'll talk about a plethora of other things (and accuse me of being a fake...why don't I whine about that? Because I have nothing to hide), but when that question comes up again, he just reposts his adulterated quote and hides behind it so no-one will notice that he cannot defend his position.

I shall return later to show how he did this, I need to go look up the evolution of the quotes that led to this.

It's unfortunate that he couldn't just tell us why these people that he's voting to have killed are dying. It's unfortunate he forces us to go through all this snow so he won't get seen running away from the question, (and he was running away from it and snowing the forum with personal attacks and Ron Paul attacks long before he strarted accusing me of calling him a murderer). ...and he has never answered the question...what a coincidence....maybe you can't answer the question SPACEBROTHER... I wonder if my fellow forumers ever thought of that?

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Palin is a paid contributor to FOX?

Is that legal?
(shakes head in despair)

Read this link:


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne ... y-20110525

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Galoot Co-Log-Nuh wrote:
BBP wrote:
Palin is a paid contributor to FOX?

Is that legal?
(shakes head in despair)

Read this link:


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne ... y-20110525



Telling link there Galoot, the thing that gets me about Palin is no matter what she makes up or how outragous...she makes up a further explanation not based in fact and her faithful go oh ok and believe her...that kind of power is scary, like zoombies these people will do her bidding.


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In the morning... E-coli epidemic is down to bean sprouts
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ju ... an-sprouts

In the afternoon... E-Coli epidemic is not down to bean sprouts
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ju ... -not-cause

Mr_Green_Genes and Plook; I'm starting to come 'round to your point of view!

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Caputh wrote:
In the morning... E-coli epidemic is down to bean sprouts
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ju ... an-sprouts

In the afternoon... E-Coli epidemic is not down to bean sprouts
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ju ... -not-cause

Mr_Green_Genes and Plook; I'm starting to come 'round to your point of view!



It's a way of life you'll love it...all kidding aside the being into Conspiracies is so much more fun than believing everything your feed and your not even required to beieve any of them or you can mix and match, it's great!

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TV and mainstream media news: the real conspiracy theory (in the derogatory sense).

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How do you figure a vote for nader is a vote for palin? If nader isn't running I'm not voting or if I do it won't be for any main stream candidate. so how do you figure this? I vote for who ever the fuck I want to!

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baddy wrote:
..........I did not call SPACEBROTHER a murderer..........


Then what the fuck is this?

baddy wrote:
And if SPACEBROTHERS going to renig on his statement above............. and how many thousands he's willing to kill to get it.


Don't even try to weasel out of what you posted. You know you posted this and you are caught red-handed. To make matters even worse, you tried to equate a recently passed relative of mine to your phoney crusade. WTF?

As I said....

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There aren't enough FUCK YOUs in the world to adequetly respond to your obsessive compulsory accusation SPAM.


I can't speak for Ronnie, but you also accused him of being a murderer by calling him a "baby killer". I'll let him quote you on that. This is your typical over reaction whenever anybody challenges you on your posts.

You could clear this up and put an end to it all by coming clean with the forum and admitting that you overstepped by calling us murderers, instead of making more and more and more and more excuses for yourself. A simple one sentence admission, instead of an overly wordy Trendmongerianesque/Isaac-I-never-said-that excuse fest.


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Well, in 2000, one could make a very compelling case that the small percentage of votes Nader votes tipped the balance and gave us Bush the 2nd. I personally believe that to be true, and the numbers support it. It's obvious that Nader's voters were on the left, and not many of them would have voted for Bush. I don't think something like that will happen in 2012 - the stars just don't align like that very often, and Palin is just a complete dipshit. But you never know.

On another topic, baddy's relentless harping on SB answering his stupid question about why people die in wars is just really annoying. Can we stipulate that this is simply an obsessive, manipulative ploy? There is no reason why people, whether military or civilian, die in war, correct? Wouldn't we all agree on that? So what's the point here? It's a gotcha question, nothing less. It's just another way that baddy gets to avoid having a real discussion about the president, about war, about the anything substanitive. By pounding the thread with his repetitive question to which there is no real answer, and labeling any discussion or dissent from his mission as "distraction," he thinks he's setting the entire frame of the argument. He gets to stroke his self image as a "true" antiwar guy, over and over. Baddy apparently needs to prove his antiwar cred on a minute-to-minute basis, yet by doing so he pushes legitimate antiwar folks, like SB, me and others, away from his antiwar message. That's just plain weird.

That's a pretty sick puppy, in my opinion.

And really, the whole "if you voted for Obama you want people to be killed" schtik is really so tired and simplistic, isn't it? Can we move on from that please?

Respectfully, if there are those who are sick of reading this stuff, they have hundreds of other threads to visit instead. Besides, who really reads these posts anyway? There's an art to skimming. :)

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exactly.

A brief flashback..............

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At least Baddy admitted that his actions during the election only served to make him feel better about himself, and didn't have any effect on any actual, happening events/problems in his own "neighbourhood".

yeah, I guess that's a perfect position to be in.
vote for a candidate who hasn't got a chance in hell to get in, and then you can sit comfortably back, feel good about yourself, and say that it's everybody else's fault that things are the way they are...



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............Baddy and you want the best really, but I stopped reading you a long time ago.
No offenses.
In my own view, you're too dogmatic. And it leads nowhere, except keeping your own slate clean, so we can't throw stones.


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This isn't the Breaking News thread anymore - it's the Argue With Baddy thread.


More than 2 years and over 120 pages later just in this thread alone of baddy being called out by many people. Go figure.

Too bad "jimmie d killed the forum" isn't around to rename this thread to "Hi, My Name Is Baddy and I Have OCD".

Out of 129 pages, who wants to do an official count of how many people baddy has been called out by and/or has argued with?

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Incidently, the question in question that baddy with his OCD keeps refering to, in which I asked of myself and had answered over two years ago, is on or about page 20 for anybody who is looking for some cheap entertainment. It is shortly after baddy called me "fucking lame" for having the audacity to blame multi-national corporate profiteering and those who do business with them for most wars.


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Because it's already a new page, a repost from the previous page......

SPACEBROTHER wrote:
baddy wrote:
..........I did not call SPACEBROTHER a murderer..........


Then what the fuck is this?

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And if SPACEBROTHERS going to renig on his statement above............. and how many thousands he's willing to kill to get it.


Don't even try to weasel out of what you posted. You know you posted this and you are caught red-handed. To make matters even worse, you tried to equate a recently passed relative of mine to your phoney crusade. WTF?

As I said....

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There aren't enough FUCK YOUs in the world to adequetly respond to your obsessive compulsory accusation SPAM.


I can't speak for Ronnie, but you also accused him of being a murderer by calling him a "baby killer". I'll let him quote you on that. This is your typical over reaction whenever anybody challenges you on your posts.

You could clear this up and put an end to it all by coming clean with the forum and admitting that you overstepped by calling us murderers, instead of making more and more and more and more excuses for yourself. A simple one sentence admission, instead of an overly wordy Trendmongerianesque/Isaac-I-never-said-that excuse fest.



Will baddy come clean and admit that he overstepped by accusing me and others on the forum of being murderers?


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