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 Post subject: Re: BERNIE SANDERS
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:19 am 
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So do you deny that Forbes is not a neutral source? All I'm saying is it would be better to use neutral sources whenever possible, for the sake of credibility and facilitating good faith conversation. If I countered with a quote from Mother Jones, don't you think you'd feel the same way I do?



Ronny , I'm suspect of EVERY source.
I already stated that the Forbes article might be too conservative for you but I'll bet there's more truth in it than your conscience will let you accept.

Mother Jones ? :lol:
Sure , how about Rolling Stone , too ?
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They ALL need to be scrutinized.

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 Post subject: Re: BERNIE SANDERS
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I didn't have issues with the article because it was conservative; I took issue because a good bit of it seems wrong to me on it's merits. :roll:

OK, you scrutinize all sources, which is good. In this case, did you evaluate Forbes to be a neutral source? Stop weenie-ing around and answer the question. It's important because if everyone tosses around clearly biased sources to support their arguments, we have no way to debate. I look at it as the rule of 3rds: there are sources that clearly are biased towards the left, towards the right, and those in the middle. Those in the middle might lean a bit left AND right depending on content, but generally are not too biased in either direction. This may seem like nitpicking, but I think it matters.

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 Post subject: Re: BERNIE SANDERS
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Ronny's Noomies wrote:
I didn't have issues with the article because it was conservative; I took issue because a good bit of it seems wrong to me on it's merits. :roll:

OK, you scrutinize all sources, which is good. In this case, did you evaluate Forbes to be a neutral source? Stop weenie-ing around and answer the question. It's important because if everyone tosses around clearly biased sources to support their arguments, we have no way to debate. I look at it as the rule of 3rds: there are sources that clearly are biased towards the left, towards the right, and those in the middle. Those in the middle might lean a bit left AND right depending on content, but generally are not too biased in either direction. This may seem like nitpicking, but I think it matters.


blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

what a whiny fruit. a fucking nudge.

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 Post subject: Re: BERNIE SANDERS
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Ronny , I posted that article because it does have some truth to it. It doesn't really matter where it comes from as long as it substantiates points I was trying to make.

Your poster is designed to look like fact when it is not that black and white.
Yes , Blue states may have more money floating around than in red states but your poster does not take into account many , many variables to which that poster alludes to. It does not address the buying power of the different states or the value of that same dollar and how it is used in different states.

One example.

My small little 6 room house , sitting on .99 of an acre is accessed at a little over 90k here.
That same plot of land would be 5x that much in CA and probably 3x that where you are.
It's what I could afford and it serves the same purpose as a small 6 room house in CA or your part of the world. I don't need 2.5 million to buy the same piece of property here that it would take to buy in other parts of the country. In the same vein , I don't need 35.00 / hr to live here that I would need in a state like Florida , CA or NY. We could both have the same 1000 sq ft house on the same 1 acre plot but one would be cheaper than the other because of buying power and location.

To simply state that Blue states have more money floating around than red states , without looking at all the variables , is pretty simple thinking.

Sorry you fell for it. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: BERNIE SANDERS
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What state do you live in pedro

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Ohio

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 Post subject: Re: BERNIE SANDERS
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The current one is running for a bigger office.
Please don't help him.

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 Post subject: Re: BERNIE SANDERS
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Kasich is a better choice than Obama, I know many folks in Ohio, I'm from western ,Pa.

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 Post subject: Re: BERNIE SANDERS
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Kasich is a jobs killer.

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Latest JobsOhio Failure: JPMorgan Chase

JobsOhio and the Kasich Administration officially and proudly announced job creation tax credits for JPMorgan’s planned expansion on May 21st, 2013. In exchange for these tax credits, JPMorgan was promising to create 500 new jobs. A Dispatch article about the announcement still appears on John Kasich’s official Governor’s Office website.

By August, things began falling apart as JPMorgan Chase announced it would be cutting 300 jobs in the Columbus area. In September, the company announced another 440 layoffs in Central Ohio. Earlier this week, they announced another 136 jobs would be cut.

That’s 876 jobs lost at JPMorgan Chase since the Kasich administration and JobsOhio helped push through job creation tax credits for the company.

This story is becoming all too familiar. Remember when John Kasich and JobsOhio gave American Greetings a $90 million incentive deal? And that $56 Million incentive package for Diebold? And then both companies went on to layoff thousands of Ohioans?

Kasich and JobsOhio asked us to trust them. They said they needed to shield JobsOhio from public scrutiny. They said JobsOhio needed billions in pubic money. And in return, we were going to get the Ohio Miracle! Jobs for everyone and a flourishing economy and a plump, free-range, organic-fed, magical chicken in every pot!

Instead, Ohio currently ranks almost last for job creation compared to other states over the past year. And our unemployment rate has continued to rise, staying above the national average for months.

Interestingly, just like American Greetings and Diebold, JPMorgan Chase has direct financial ties to Ohio Republicans, John Kasich and JobsOhio.

In 2012, JPMorgan Chase’s PAC gave $83,000 to the Ohio Republican Party. On May 10th, 2013, just days before the tax credits were announced, they gave another $5,000 to the ORP. In July, they gave $12,000 to Kasich’s campaign.

Also interesting: JPMorgan Chase was one of two financial companies awarded the contract to handle the $1.5 billion liquor bond deal for JobsOhio. And while JobsOhio has officially refused to name which companies provided it with nearly $7 Million in private donations, some have suggested that JPMorgan Chase, a company that has donated to similar organizations in other states, may be on that list.

John Kasich came into office promising a New Day for Ohio, a fantastic economic turnaround and a robust job market. And he promised his signature program, JobsOhio, was going to provide us all this and more. Instead, we have a big black box that takes in pubic money, churns out bad deal after bad deal for Ohioans, all while our unemployment rate shoots up and our job growth stagnates.

The only ones who seem to be benefiting from JobsOhio and its secretive dealing are John Kasich, the Ohio Republican Party and big companies like JPMorgan Chase.

For the rest of us Ohioans, the JobsOhio experiment has been a complete and dismal failure.

http://www.plunderbund.com/2014/02/28/l ... gan-chase/


Sanders, Hillary and Biden have much better economic records. The numbers prove this, not the partisan "Go Team" mentality.


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LOL Hillary is useless!! She's done zero. Holy fuck, you are a brainwashed turd.

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 Post subject: Re: BERNIE SANDERS
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So that's why Clinton had the largest economic gains in US history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_ ... ll_Clinton


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 Post subject: Re: BERNIE SANDERS
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Space bro is a LIAR

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 Post subject: Re: BERNIE SANDERS
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I'm not sorry to break it to you BS, the numbers don't lie. You not liking them doesn't change the fact that they are correct and 100% accurate. You won't like this either...



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IF REPUBLICAN ECONOMIC POLICIES ARE SO GREAT FOR AMERICA, WHY ARE MOST RED STATES DIRT POOR?

Republicans tout their skills as economic managers, but in fact the leading candidates for the Republican presidential nomination have all been losers as economic managers.

Scott Walker’s Wisconsin now ranks 35th in private-sector job creation.

Chris Christie’s New Jersey now ranks near the bottom of all states in job growth, and has suffered nine credit downgrades.

Bobby Jindal’s Louisiana ranks near the bottom of all states in family income, education, and violent crime.

Carly Fiorina as CEO of Hewlett-Packard drove her company’s stock price into the ground, while also firing 30,000 workers.

Donald Trump walked away from four bankruptcies, including Atlantic City’s Trump Plaza whose abrupt closing left over 1,000 people jobless.

Am I being too harsh?

~ Robert Reich


Robert Reich nails it.


Zappa was right about Republicans/Conservatives -

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THE VERY BIG STUPID is a thing which breeds by eating The Future. Have you seen it? It sometimes disguises itself as a good-looking quarterly bottom line, derived by closing the R&D Department.

THE VERY BIG STUPID was first discussed in Frank Zappa's autobiography. It breeds quickly and has spread wherever knee-jerk political extremists and religious fundamentalists are found. It also feeds on pop culture.

(It also feeds on modern pop culture).

Step away from the television, or THE VERY BIG STUPID will get you!

America has already been eaten by THE VERY BIG STUPID. We're living in THE VERY BIG DUMP IT TOOK AFTERWARDS.

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 Post subject: Re: BERNIE SANDERS
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Space bro is a LIAR

Oh - I thought he was a "lair". Make up your mind (which shouldn't take long - small jobs never do).

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Why Republicans Vote for Bernie

By Thom Hartmann

Ann Coulter knows who she wants to be the Democratic nominee for president, and who that person is, well, it may surprise you.
She wants Hillary Clinton to be the nominee, and thinks that if Bernie gets the nod, he’ll beat whoever the Republicans come up with to run against him.
You won’t hear this often on this show, but Ann Coulter is right.

If Bernie Sanders ends up being the Democratic nominee for president, and it looks more and more every day like he will be, his Republican opponent is going to have a very hard time beating him.
And that’s because of all the Democratic candidates running, Bernie Sanders has the best chance of capturing Republican votes.
I've seen how Bernie does this, up close and personal.

Despite its reputation as a place filled with liberal hippies, Vermont, like most of rural northern New England, is home to a lot of conservatives.
Anyone running for statewide office there needs to win these conservatives’ votes, and Bernie is great at doing that.
Back in 2000 when Louise and I were living in Vermont, it wasn’t all that uncommon to see his signs on the same lawn as signs that said “W for President.”
Seriously, I’m not kidding.

And as NPR’s Morning Edition found out last year, some of Bernie’s biggest fans are in Vermont’s Northeast Kingdom, the poorest and most conservative part of the state.
It’s people from the Northeast Kingdom who’ve overwhelmingly elected Bernie to almost 20 years in Congress and two straight terms as senator, and it’s people like them in the rest of the country who will probably send Bernie to the White House if he gets the Democratic nomination for president.
So why is that?

Why is Bernie Sanders, a socialist, so popular with people who should hate "socialism"?
The answer is pretty simple.
While Americans disagree on social issues like gay marriage and abortion, they’re actually pretty unified on the bread and butter economic issues that Bernie has made the core of his campaign.
In fact, a recent poll by the Progressive Change Institute, shows that Americans overwhelmingly agree with Bernie on key issues like education, healthcare, and the economy.

Like Bernie, 75 percent of Americans poll support fair trade that “protects workers, the environment, and jobs.”

71 percent support giving all students access to a debt-free college education.

71 percent support a massive infrastructure spending program aimed at rebuilding our broken roads and bridges and putting people back to work.

70 percent support expanding Social Security.

59 percent support raising taxes on the wealthy so that millionaires pay the same amount in taxes as they did during the Reagan administration.

58 percent support breaking up the big banks.

55 percent support a financial transaction or Robin Hood tax.

51 percent support single payer healthcare, and so and so on.

Pretty impressive, right?
And here’s the thing - supporting Social Security, free college, breaking up the big banks, aren’t “progressive” policies, they’re just common sense, and 60 years ago they would have put Bernie Sanders smack dab in the mainstream of my father’s Republican Party.
This is why Ann Coulter is so scared of Bernie becoming the Democratic nominee.
She knows that he speaks to the populist, small “d” democratic values that everyday Americans care about, regardless of their political affiliation.
That’s the really radical part of Bernie’s 2016 campaign, and what’s what maybe, just maybe, might make him the 45th President of the United States.

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Let's do the same thing again...and hope for something different :) :) :)

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Let's do the same thing again...and hope for something different :) :) :)


BINGO! :wink:

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If you like Bernie S the last thing you should want is for him to become president. That will be the end of him.

I'd prefer if the person I dislike the most became president. It's easier that way. No delusions.


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downer mydnyte wrote:
.... I'd prefer if the person I dislike the most became president. It's easier that way. No delusions.

Good point.

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If you like Bernie S the last thing you should want is for him to become president. That will be the end of him.

I'd prefer if the person I dislike the most became president. It's easier that way. No delusions.


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