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Edit 1 on this thread
Added: "shit-for-brains" for Plook.

Edit 2
Added: Isaac (how could I have forgotten him?) and Mikey. Changed BBP from "bad at English" to "Hypocrite", because I remembered him posting the fact that he thought her language skills were not up to scratch, BBP makes also reference to it, but I can't find the original post, so perhaps my memory is faulty. Also minor punctuation changes.

Edit 3
Added: Lots of hyphenated stuff on Plook and two new additions, (balint and Ringo) but from an older source. Also Duchamp has now advanced to (fucking) "idiot" and HJ who is now like Caputh.

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"I have learned from my mistakes, and I am sure I can repeat them exactly."

We should come up with some sort of virtual trophy to honor each member who ends up on this list, and a clever title for the trophy.

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“The power of pop music to corrupt and putrify the minds of world youth are virtually limitless."

I think it's a toss-up between Plook and SPACEBROTHER for the first prize at the moment

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"I have learned from my mistakes, and I am sure I can repeat them exactly."

You STILL don't get it.

How in the fuck is asking people here to back their claims up (which happen to be incredibly stupid) with EVIDENCE or PROOF, debating on one's own terms?! This is what happens in real life. Please enter it. And for the ONE MILLIONTH time, I don't give a shit about being personally correct, nor do I feel superior. But I do give a shit about getting things right through whatever means possible and in an objective manner. There's a difference. Do you understand? If not, you are one stupid motherfucker.

Lastly, not ONE person here has provided even remotely enough compelling evidence to contradict almost any of my recent points. Instead, they throw ad hominems at me. And if you're paying attention, we ALL know why that is. Keep this in mind...



Yet AGAIN, no debate, only ANOTHER ad hominem thrown at me.

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"...I'm absolutely a Libertarian on MANY issues..." ~ Frank Zappa, Rochester, NY, March 11, 1988

Only an idiot would believe that. (Yes, that was an ad hominem, that was sarcasm, and it was also fun.)

However, I feel I should point out the very thick irony that you are making a claim that the only things you are receiving in response to your attempts at a reasonable debate are ad hominems within the very forum post that lists dozens of personal attacks you yourself have made. Oh, I guess I should apologize, it's acceptable for you to hurl insults as part of a debate, just not the rest of us, right? You see, if you want to keep playing the ad hominem card, perhaps you should consider refraining from personal verbal abuses of your own. Yes, you can attempt to justify that there are legitimate reasons to use personal insults in a debate if you like, but a "wise" man once said:



Will you now add more to the list for the pleasure of those still paying attention?

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“The power of pop music to corrupt and putrify the minds of world youth are virtually limitless."

Only an idiot would read an entire thread full of ad hominems thrown at me and not see they're ad hominems thrown at me.



There's no irony.

What you don't understand is that you're taking things OUT OF CONTEXT. The personal insults I've thrown recently (especially the ones in the thread with Plook you're probably referring to), do not necessarily involve debate AND are insults I believe the poster(s) in question deserved. There's a difference...

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"...I'm absolutely a Libertarian on MANY issues..." ~ Frank Zappa, Rochester, NY, March 11, 1988

I guess it was silly of me to expect more, but are you now actually going to claim that the entire list of insults herein was justified and not part of debate, or are you just picking out the part that you are most comfortable with acknowledging?

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“The power of pop music to corrupt and putrify the minds of world youth are virtually limitless."

Not necessarily. It depends on which particular insults I've made you're referring to...

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"...I'm absolutely a Libertarian on MANY issues..." ~ Frank Zappa, Rochester, NY, March 11, 1988

Then will you at least admit that you also engage in ad hominems, from time to time?

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“The power of pop music to corrupt and putrify the minds of world youth are virtually limitless."

We dont say: What you don't understand
We say: let me explain myself better

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Je suis désolé pour les roles que j'ai joué dans toutes ces videos, ce n'est pas tres valorisant pour l'humanité mais si cela peut avoir fait progresser la science, alors il y aura eu un coté positif.

They can't be ad hominas directed at the db because that is what the "debate" is all about: him.
He'll never see that and so closes the book (for me) on the db chronicles.

If he had any sense he would move on, start a new political or whatever thread and see how it goes.
I would suggest he refine his tactics and see if he gets a better response.

This is true and shows that DB doesn't even understand his own terminology. On the other hand - when DB dismisses Plook's real life experience of the impact of FEJ71 on the West Coast in the early Seventies, because he considers Plook a moron - that's a classic ad hominem argument. And typical of DB's behaviour on the forum.

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If I'm not alone... I wonder if I've been asleep?

He ain't got no friends, and all the others they hate him....Does the life he's been leading got to go?...Well let me straighten you out, about a thread I know...get your cue's and queue's off people, it's right around the corner.

Actually, I think Downer hits the nail on the head here. DB is looking for a debate that he can "win". I can't speak for other posters, but that is not what I post for. I, and I think many others here, are looking for a discussion i.e. I would like to learn what others think to test my own beliefs. The problem with DB (and this is speculation on my part) is that he isn't per se interested in what anybody else thinks (very often he claims he knows what they think, anyway); rather he provides a point of view, often with minimal evidence and expects everyone to agree with him. He's also not interested in any evidence that might disprove his beliefs as otherwise it would mean that he had "lost" the debate and, I surmise (although, unlike him, I cannot "know") would thus lose face. It's when people don't agree that he has provided "overwhelming evidence" that the insults come, mostly as a result of jocular, ironic comments that most would consider harmless...

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"I have learned from my mistakes, and I am sure I can repeat them exactly."

No, because it wouldn't be true, unless I've had a prolonged history with posters that no longer have credibility with me.



There you go AGAIN...side-stepping the issue and throwing ad hominems at me instead. Perpetually unable to provide evidence to convincingly contradict my points.



BS. Where the FUCK did I dismiss, "...Plook's real life experience of the impact of FEJ71 on the West Coast in the early Seventies...", because I consider him a moron?! Where?! Provide a quote that's not OUT OF CONTEXT.

Regardless, Plook IS a moron of epic proportions (much like many posters here). And there's PLENTY of detail in my posts over the past couple of years specifying why that is.


Fucking hell, you guys are PATHETIC...

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"...I'm absolutely a Libertarian on MANY issues..." ~ Frank Zappa, Rochester, NY, March 11, 1988

Another guy's view and DB's response, with a hint of ad hominem argument, tempered for the occasion - "some people in LA" not "a bunch of assholes" --




http://www.zappa.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=24671&start=75

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If I'm not alone... I wonder if I've been asleep?

Here's evidence of evidence from Disco Boy
DB obviously considers evidence very important...









































(Goes on for about 100 further posts).

So that's the evidence.

But where's the evidence?

Oh, that's the evidence

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"I have learned from my mistakes, and I am sure I can repeat them exactly."

You are all such children.

It boggles the head. So much time is wasted on this forum with personal spats, and hateful attacks.

For one thing, Disco Boy doesn't seem to be any worse than jaypfunk or SPACEBROTHER forum entity when it comes to hurling personal insults. It's a stupid "style" of debate that is quite popular in the West, because so many people are so dumb they can't tell the difference between a reasoned debate and personal pissing match. I myself engage in such tactics from time to time, but I try to keep it retaliatory.

So, what's the point of this thread? To show that Disco Boy is a bad person? To run him off? Look in the mirror...are you any different?

No, you are not. You are a human being...(several human beings in the case of SPACEBROTHER forum entity). It takes all kinds. Human beings must constantly be forgiven for doing the things human beings do. If someone pisses you off, calls you names, or makes insinuations about your status, so what? Retaliate, ignore, or set an example.

I am personally frustrated with a few "debaters" here that will not look at links or even carefully read posts. Most of us are old, I suspect, entrenched in our thinking, and not open to new ways of looking at things. But, so what? I'm frustrated, not angry. This is an obscure rock star fan forum, not The McLaughlin Group.

What really irritates me about a thread like this is that it elevates certain posters to "legendary" status when they truly do not deserve it. Disco Boy is on the right hand of Ron Paul, I am on the left. I am all for freedom and the Constitution, but not so much for totally free markets and balls-out capitalism. That's okay, right? No reason to get pissy about it, right? If someone wants to get pissy, I can get pissy right back, or not. Right? It's all part of the fun.

As it is with Trendmonger, whom I don't know and do not really have a beef with, but so many people just hate...and as it was with Isaac, who was a real pain in the ass...there seems to be a near blood-lust of hatred whereupon certain forumers pile on other forumers. Is it really the debate style, or is it that you just don't like his opinions...hmmm?

I, for one, do not need to pile on. I fought long and hard with Isaac, and did not think he should be banned. The more we fought, the more my point of view was presented. I've had many arguments with SPACEBROTHER forum entity, and many times was called "douche" or whatever. That's okay, I'll retaliate in kind or I won't, nobody is going to win anyway. All I ask is that participants are actually reading my posts carefully and with open minds, instead of dismissing what I say with some derogatory personal insult.

To me, Disco Boy presents some pretty well-thought out arguments, but doesn't win any hearts and minds due to the ham-handed tactics. Why immortalize him with a thread like this?

Is there anyone on this forum that is so well-liked by everyone that they deserve a praise thread?

BBP? JPD? Mr. GG? MFT?

That would be more like it.

unica, if it would have kept him here longer.

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I'm getting larger as I walk away.

For me it is quite simple. I expect the same of people in the real world as I do here. Having a machine between you does not give you any more right to be disrespectful to people. To me, if a person chooses to be personally insulting and refuses to apologize for it, I have no respect for them. It's all about attitude. If a person states their opinions as facts, and insults other people and tells them they are wrong, I have no interest in any of their claims, even if I might be inclined to agree with them.

By the way, I believe almost everything any person chooses to speak about is an opinion. If you did not witness a given event yourself, then you do not KNOW for an absolute fact that what you think happened really did. Claiming that you are right, when you did not see an event happen, is arrogance. You were not there. Your "evidence" is a bunch of words you read on the internet. Words that anybody could type. Just because the words you read sound like things you agree with does make make them any more truthful.

I have no particular issue with any claim DB or most anyone else on here would make. As far as I am concerned, almost every single person involved in politics at it's highest levels is corrupt. I feel that the system itself is created in such a way that the only way to rise to the highest levels is to be corrupt. It's inherent to the system.

Notice how when I made many of my claims here, I used the words "I feel", "I believe" and "to me". These are statements that admit I could be wrong, statements of humility. I do not always present myself with humility, but I do make an attempt. My opinions are not presented as facts. Insults and arrogance make me, and many other people, lose respect for the other person, whether they are someone I meet on the street, or here.

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“The power of pop music to corrupt and putrify the minds of world youth are virtually limitless."

You are dumb and you stink and you are a big doo-doo head. Haha!!! (runs away)

Wow, I'm flattered

How to insult a US American: Yankee dog? Ah, Amerikanischer Schwein?

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If I engaged that bully more I could win that race going away...SB doesn't know how to press the buttons like I do...

Apparently I only needed to push one right button because he put me on ignore. Apparently he felt threatened and panicked when I did indeed present him with actual "TRUTH, LOGIC, FACTS and EVIDENCE."

Regarding a rope leashes commentary above, he's just mad at me because I dedicated an entire thread critical of Ron Paul........speaking of which......

Speaking for myself, the only people I ever have any conflicts with are the 4 or 5 people who don't like my criticisms of guns, Ron Paul, Ron Paul supporters, Rand Paul, Republicans, Neo-Conservatives, racists, fascists, the Tea Party, George Bush, birthers, Birchers, Ayn Rand, Libertarians, anti-union folks, Fox News, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, Breitbart, Lew Rockwell and conspiracy theorists. Those same 4 or 5 people also happen to be the only ones db isn't fighting with and/or insulting.

...otherwise, I get along fine with the other 40 - 50 people who post here with any regularity.


edit - I agree that Unica is a cool person.

I find pissing matches far more interesting, revealing and ultimately more educational. And more humorous! It's important to laugh. I think you're way off on this one. Nobody here hates disco boy, do they? Anybody? (Raise your hand if you think DB is worth hating). I certainly don't hate him. He's hilarious! I don't want to run him off. It would be nice to think he was willing to evolve. I'm not set in my ways. I am always willing to change my mind. To fail means to learn. Hopefully.


The problem is, Disco Boy, you don't have any evidence or proof. At least not that you've personally uncovered. It's all links/words/stats. We can all dig up the links/words/stats. We all have access to the same links/words/stats that you have. You offer nothing original or personal yet you keep claiming that you offer proof/evidence as if it's some badge of honor. You don't personally uncover the evidence. You don't go out and collect all the data for the statistics. At best you compile. When all is said and done, you've rarely offered anything revelatory.



Then get off your ass and dig up some evidence that is not already available to all of us.

I can back up all sorts of claims. Big deal. And my claims have nothing to do with the fake economy, rigged presidential elections or manipulated statistics that are available to all. You've got to witness things to really know what happened.


It's not necessary to ask me if I understand. I find your concepts very easy to follow and your tendency to repeat yourself into infinity (see Capuths recent compilation of your posts) makes it impossible to misunderstand.