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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:57 pm 
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Disco Boy and Bravo, inform yourselves before talking bollocks. The previous administration (which was btw the "socialist" government that you're talking about) didn't take any loans. The administrations that support "free market" capitalism are the ones that do that. I'm not saying that keynesian economics are perfect, but nor is the neoliberal system, which has led to the worst economic crysis in Argentinian history (in 2001).


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Still waiting for BS to name one single "free market capitalist" country in the world that currently has a 9% growth in GDP and a 72% wage increase in comparison to Argentina... :roll:


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Tell us what your personal experience of Argentina is (apart from your age - I'm not convinced by your ability to research on the 'net).


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what a lot of countries are afraid of is having to spend their own money and blood to keep their countries secure.


Ah yes, when USA fought in the falklands war - BS was probably there.
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It's funny when Shithead Boy and BS think they know something about a place like Argentina, when in reality, neither have a fucking clue between them...

The socio-economic situation in Argentina has been steadily improving. The economy nearly doubled from 2002 to 2011, growing an average of 7.1% annually and around 9% for five consecutive years between 2003 and 2007. Real wages rose by around 72% from their low point in 2003 to 2013. The global recession did affect the economy in 2009, with growth slowing to nearly zero; but high economic growth then resumed, and GDP expanded by around 9% in both 2010 and 2011.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Argentina


Please, feel free to name one single "free market capitalist" country in the world that currently has a 9% growth in GDP and a 72% wage increase.


You forgot this part at the end of the article's paragraph above...

Foreign exchange controls, austerity measures, persistent inflation, and downturns in Brazil, Europe, and other important trade partners, contributed to slower growth beginning in 2012, however.[46] Growth averaged just 1.3% from 2012 to 2014.[3]


...asshole. :roll:

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Disco Boy and Bravo, inform yourselves before talking bollocks. The previous administration (which was btw the "socialist" government that you're talking about) didn't take any loans. The administrations that support "free market" capitalism are the ones that do that. I'm not saying that keynesian economics are perfect, but nor is the neoliberal system, which has led to the worst economic crysis in Argentinian history (in 2001).


Bollocks. Just about EVERY country's administration takes loans. And Keynesianism IS the primary reason why they're fucked - as well as Zimbabwe and most of Europe too. And now, the US is implementing the same principles... :roll:

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Still waiting for BS to name one single "free market capitalist" country in the world that currently has a 9% growth in GDP and a 72% wage increase in comparison to Argentina... :roll:


deuce wrote:
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Tell us what your personal experience of Argentina is (apart from your age - I'm not convinced by your ability to research on the 'net).


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what a lot of countries are afraid of is having to spend their own money and blood to keep their countries secure.


Ah yes, when USA fought in the falklands war - BS was probably there.
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Move to Argentina Mr Race baiter , Argentina will be an interesting country for investors to watch in 2016. Like the rest of Latin America, Argentina faces a difficult external environment for commodity exports. Argentina posted a $3 billion trade deficit in 2015. Argentina’s northern neighbor, Brazil, continues to struggle as well. General Motors has made the decision to cut automobile production in Argentina. Overall automobile production in Argentina fell by double digits in 2015 with exports dropping by more than 50%. Citigroup also recently announced a plan to sell its retail units in Brazil and Argentina. With a new president who is backed by the business community Argentina seems poised to start a new chapter. On February 19 a U.S. court lifted an injunction that had barred Argentina from issuing new bonds. “Put simply, President Macri’s election changed everything…The Republic has shown a good-faith willingness to negotiate with the holdouts,” Judge Thomas Griesa explained. At the same time, although there are some signs for optimism, Argentina still struggles with some of the worst inflation in the world. Argentine companies have made impressive growth in e-commerce but global online retailers such as Amazon and Wal-Mart still seem to paying more attention to Mexico than Argentina when it comes to e-commerce. To get a sense of what investors should expect from Argentina in 2016 I reached out to Jason Marczak, the Director of the Latin America Economic Growth Initiative at the Adrienne Arsht Latin America Center in Washington, D.C.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:17 am 
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BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
do you pick your friends , and or decisions based on what you have read or heard through rumor and print?

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Argentina will be an interesting country for investors to watch in 2016. etc etc etc.

Quoted direct from this site? or a whole bunch of other sites?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanielpa ... 8535315148

Obvious really - no typos / grammatical or other weirdness.
Makes sense too, whether its fact or not...
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:24 am 
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Tell us what your personal experience of Argentina is (apart from your age - I'm not convinced by your ability to research on the 'net).

I can picture BS now, frantically tapping away in google with 1 finger "argentina facts", then cutting and pasting the first thing that comes up.
Proof he's got absolutely NO personal experience of Argentina - what a surprise.
What a compete fucking fraud.
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How in the fuck do you possibly know what personal experience I have with Argentina? Get a fucking life dick weed, read what you type, you sound like a shit salesman with a mouth full of samples.

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The Human Dunce Cap wrote:
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It's funny when Shithead Boy and BS think they know something about a place like Argentina, when in reality, neither have a fucking clue between them...

The socio-economic situation in Argentina has been steadily improving. The economy nearly doubled from 2002 to 2011, growing an average of 7.1% annually and around 9% for five consecutive years between 2003 and 2007. Real wages rose by around 72% from their low point in 2003 to 2013. The global recession did affect the economy in 2009, with growth slowing to nearly zero; but high economic growth then resumed, and GDP expanded by around 9% in both 2010 and 2011.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Argentina


Please, feel free to name one single "free market capitalist" country in the world that currently has a 9% growth in GDP and a 72% wage increase.


You forgot this part at the end of the article's paragraph above...
Foreign exchange controls, austerity measures, persistent inflation, and downturns in Brazil, Europe, and other important trade partners, contributed to slower growth beginning in 2012, however.[46] Growth averaged just 1.3% from 2012 to 2014.

...asshole. :roll:



Just like BS, I bet you can't name one single "free market capitalist" country with 9% growth in GDP and a 72% wage increase....dumbass. :roll:


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Here's a start for you..
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I found it particularly interesting to note that BRAVO SIERRA has been talking to experts...
BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
To get a sense of what investors should expect from Argentina in 2016 I reached out to Jason Marczak, the Director of the Latin America Economic Growth Initiative at the Adrienne Arsht Latin America Center in Washington, D.C.


So, in order to fully inform himself about Argentina, he made the long trip from South Dakota to Wahington DC. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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How in the fuck do you possibly know what personal experience I have with Argentina?


No one can know that except you. But since I asked you what your personal experience of Argentina is above and you have yet to say what it is, I think it's safe to say you have no personal experience whatsoever until you prove otherwise.

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OK i'll play you first Mr Know it all. Here is a simple informative thing any one can do. Check the price of a motorcycle in the US then check for price in Argentina, same bike, don't forget it most likely have to be shipped. Plain and simple their economy is fucked I already posted a piece that explains . Last word on this for me, check the subject title; genius .

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:46 am 
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So your personal experience of Argentina (apart from half-reading an article in Wikipedia and then pasting it here) consists of checking the prices of motorcycles , presumably in the Internet and comparing them to the prices in the US? You then claim that they are more expensive in Argentina than in the US? And from this you deduce that the economy in Argentina is fucked?

Give us a link and then I'll comment.

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Caputh wrote:
I found it particularly interesting to note that BRAVO SIERRA has been talking to experts...
BRAVO SIERRA wrote:
To get a sense of what investors should expect from Argentina in 2016 I reached out to Jason Marczak, the Director of the Latin America Economic Growth Initiative at the Adrienne Arsht Latin America Center in Washington, D.C.

So he hadn't even read what he'd posted either HUGE LOL.
He has no ability to research, despite having "plenty of time to investigate".
There's plenty other cut n paste stuff of his here too - too easy to spot.
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tweedle-dumb-diane-bean-counter wrote:
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tweedle-dumb-diane-bean-counter wrote:
It's funny when Shithead Boy and BS think they know something about a place like Argentina, when in reality, neither have a fucking clue between them...

The socio-economic situation in Argentina has been steadily improving. The economy nearly doubled from 2002 to 2011, growing an average of 7.1% annually and around 9% for five consecutive years between 2003 and 2007. Real wages rose by around 72% from their low point in 2003 to 2013. The global recession did affect the economy in 2009, with growth slowing to nearly zero; but high economic growth then resumed, and GDP expanded by around 9% in both 2010 and 2011.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Argentina


Please, feel free to name one single "free market capitalist" country in the world that currently has a 9% growth in GDP and a 72% wage increase.


You forgot this part at the end of the article's paragraph above...

Foreign exchange controls, austerity measures, persistent inflation, and downturns in Brazil, Europe, and other important trade partners, contributed to slower growth beginning in 2012, however.[46] Growth averaged just 1.3% from 2012 to 2014.

...asshole. :roll:



Just like BS, I bet you can't name one single "free market capitalist" country with 9% growth in GDP and a 72% wage increase....dumbass. :roll:


Only, it's technically NOT a free market capitalist country, jerk-off. Keep ignoring the rest of the article and what BRAVO SIERRA posted above (regardless if he's "in the know" or not). Because NOTHING you or anyone else from your team of flunkies states actually detracts from the FACT that Argentina's overall performance over the past several years, if not decades, is VERY POOR. And anyone paying attention knows why this is... :roll:

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Move to Argentina Mr Race baiter , Argentina will be an interesting country for investors to watch in 2016. Like the rest of Latin America, Argentina faces a difficult external environment for commodity exports. Argentina posted a $3 billion trade deficit in 2015. Argentina’s northern neighbor, Brazil, continues to struggle as well. General Motors has made the decision to cut automobile production in Argentina. Overall automobile production in Argentina fell by double digits in 2015 with exports dropping by more than 50%. Citigroup also recently announced a plan to sell its retail units in Brazil and Argentina. With a new president who is backed by the business community Argentina seems poised to start a new chapter. On February 19 a U.S. court lifted an injunction that had barred Argentina from issuing new bonds. “Put simply, President Macri’s election changed everything…The Republic has shown a good-faith willingness to negotiate with the holdouts,” Judge Thomas Griesa explained. At the same time, although there are some signs for optimism, Argentina still struggles with some of the worst inflation in the world. Argentine companies have made impressive growth in e-commerce but global online retailers such as Amazon and Wal-Mart still seem to paying more attention to Mexico than Argentina when it comes to e-commerce. To get a sense of what investors should expect from Argentina in 2016 I reached out to Jason Marczak, the Director of the Latin America Economic Growth Initiative at the Adrienne Arsht Latin America Center in Washington, D.C.

Where the fuck did you read that?? Don't trust everything the tv tells you. President Macri is an asshole. The economy is going to hell, measures to stop price inflation have been taken (such as massive firings of state workers and the cut of subsidies to transport to minimize govt spendings and lower the consumption) but inflation levels keep growing.

Do you think that foreign investments from Walmart (for example) help poor countries like us? You're far wrong. These ultra giant companies kill all the competition (the local industry), as they have lower production costs (they produce their stuff in Asia where employment laws are almost nule and they can force people to do slave labor).

The holdouts problem was a scam. Inform yourself about the subject and then we can discuss about it.

And Disco Boy, Dems aren't keynesians. They're neoliberals. So is most of Europe.


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And Disco Boy, Dems aren't keynesians. They're neoliberals. So is most of Europe.


Yes, they are. Especially Obama, who is a Keynesian MACH 10!!! And regardless of how you dress it up, Keynesianism is primarily a LEFT-WING economic branch of study! :roll:

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Just like BS, I bet you can't name one single "free market capitalist" country with 9% growth in GDP and a 72% wage increase....dumbass. :roll:


Only, it's technically NOT a free market capitalist country, jerk-off. Keep ignoring the rest of the article and what BRAVO SIERRA posted above (regardless if he's "in the know" or not). Because NOTHING you or anyone else from your team of flunkies states actually detracts from the FACT that Argentina's overall performance over the past several years, if not decades, is VERY POOR. And anyone paying attention knows why this is... :roll:




Of course I know Argentina isn't a "free market capitalist" country. I pointed that out 2 or 3 posts ago. Learn how to fucking read.

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btw, still waiting for Douchebag Boy and BS to name a single "free market capitalist" country with a 9% GDP growth rate and 72% wage increase......


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Take the economy crap to another thread

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Climate change and global warming is directly affecting the global economy...

More global warming will be worse for the economy

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... se-economy

The effects of Climate change on the economy

Costs

Scientists and economists are beginning to grapple with the serious economic and environmental consequences if we fail to reduce global carbon emissions quickly and deeply. The most expensive thing we can do is nothing.

Damage to property and infrastructure. Sea-level rise, floods, droughts, wildfires, and extreme storms require extensive repair of essential infrastructure such as homes, roads, bridges, railroad tracks, airport runways, power lines, dams, levees, and seawalls.
Lost productivity. Disruptions in daily life related to climate change can mean lost work and school days and harm trade, transportation, agriculture, fisheries, energy production, and tourism. Severe rainfall events and snowstorms can delay planting and harvesting, cause power outages, snarl traffic, delay air travel, and otherwise make it difficult for people to go about their daily business. Climate-related health risks also reduce productivity, such as when extreme heat curtails construction, or when more potent allergies and more air pollution lead to lost work and school days.
Mass migration and security threats. Global warming is likely to increase the number of "climate refugees"—people who are forced to leave their homes because of drought, flooding, or other climate-related disasters. Mass movements of people and social disruption may lead to civil unrest, and might even spur military intervention and other unintended consequences.
Coping costs. Societies may find ways to prepare for and cope with some climate impacts—provided that we do not let our carbon emissions continue unabated. However, even a partial accounting of these measures suggests that coping is likely to be more costly steps to reduce carbon emissions thereby reducing associated climate impacts.

For example, farmers might need to irrigate previously rain-fed areas, cool vulnerable livestock, and manage new or more numerous pests. Local and state governments that taker early steps to ensure that houses are more energy efficient, and build early warning systems for heat waves and disasters and add emergency responders are more likely to cope with extreme events. Governments may also have to build seawalls, contain sewer overflows, and strengthen bridges, subways, and other critical components of the transportation system.

Rebuilding after disasters strike is likely to prove even more costly than these preventive measures, studies show. And these costs do not include those stemming from lives lost and other irreversible consequences of allowing heat-trapping gases to accumulate unchecked in our atmosphere.

http://www.climatehotmap.org/global-war ... onomy.html


As can be clearly seen, man-made global warming already taking an economic toll.


Meanwhile, neither BS or DB has answered how many and/or which "free trade capitalist" countries are having a 9% growth in GDP and/or 72% wage increase. I wonder why? :roll:


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These scientists have said that the observed warming is more likely to be attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.

Khabibullo Abdusamatov, astrophysicist at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences[68][69]
Sallie Baliunas, retired astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[70][71][72]
Timothy Ball, historical climatologist, and retired professor of geography at the University of Winnipeg[73][74][75]
Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[76][77]
Chris de Freitas, associate professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland[78][79]
David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester[80][81]
Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University[82][83]
William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy; emeritus professor, Princeton University[84][85]
Ole Humlum, professor of geology at the University of Oslo[86][87]
Wibjörn Karlén, professor emeritus of geography and geology at the University of Stockholm.[88][89]
William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology[90][91]
David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware[92][93]
Anthony Lupo, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Missouri[94][95]
Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[96][97]
Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology at Carleton University in Canada.[98][99][100]
Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of mining geology, the University of Adelaide.[101][102]
Arthur B. Robinson, American politician, biochemist and former faculty member at the University of California, San Diego[103][104]
Murry Salby, atmospheric scientist, former professor at Macquarie University and University of Colorado[105][106]
Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University[107][108][109]
Tom Segalstad, geologist; associate professor at University of Oslo[110][111]
Nir Shaviv, professor of physics focusing on astrophysics and climate science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem[112][113]
Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia[114][115][116][117]
Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[118][119]
Roy Spencer, meteorologist; principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville[120][121]
Henrik Svensmark, physicist, Danish National Space Center[122][123]
George H. Taylor, retired director of the Oregon Climate Service at Oregon State University[124][125]
Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, professor emeritus from University of Ottawa[126][127]

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BRAVO as you have pointed out manny times, I am a teacher. One thing a teacher tries to teach is that when a pupil quotes something, he or she provide the source of that information. In fact, this also the case at any academic institution.

The reasons for this are the following...

a) If one does not, then he or she is passing off somebody else's research as their own. Thus, they are attempting to deceive the reader.

b) The person who originally wrote the words has had his or her intellectual work stolen. Thus, it is theft.

c) One makes it more difficult for those who wish to research the original quote, which might be different. Thus, deception again.

d) It thus also considerably detracts from any other non-plagiaristic content the writer offers, as one has entirely lost trust.

Therefore, whenever I discover my pupils copying from anywhere and not attributing the source, I give them an "F", even if it is only a sentence.

In addition, all the numbers at the end of your names are utterly meaningless, as the context has not been supplied.

Although I am not your teacher and this is obviously not an academic institution, the trust any normal person might have in the veracity of your statements is compromised by you not citing your source. To regain it, all you have to do is to provide us with said source: i.e. copy and paste the address, as I am assuming you have not got this from a book.

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Good lord man get a grip, as stated these are scientists that do not agree with the co2 global warming philosophy , all you have to do is pick one and read about their view point. Do you want to know where I got the list? That is superfluous to the subject. I posted the list because so many on this forum subject like to say the science is settled, so I posted the list. The initial paragraph is not an exact quote so I didn't add quotations. I'm not taking credit for any thing those scientist say , or even saying i agree with them, it is a list, now if you have the time check it out.


Further more if you are such a stickler for originality then you better get busy as there is a boat load of plagiarism on this here forum. I give you an F- for over analyzing the post. Like i would expect from an educated idiot.


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b) The person who originally wrote the words has had his or her intellectual work stolen. Thus, it is theft.



Are you referring to the title paragraph or the actual scientists ? Again all one has to do investigate the scientists listed they make no bones as to their viewpoint, THAT is the emphasis of the post.



https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... F4IIwK3XRw


There I did you work for you, now read, then you agree or disagree, then post reply if you want, or move on to next post. This is how a forum works. All the time staying within the Subject thread.

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