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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:14 pm 
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Just for fun I googled "Scientist report on global warming".
18,400,000 web sites.
I guess I could find as much claiming it's a hoax...

Bottom line... I prefer to believe scientists who have nothing to gain doing so.
Once again, the battle between truth and lies.
Some prefer lies...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:18 pm 
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Oh, I found a good one
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/1/15726472/trump-tweets-global-warming-paris-climate-agreement
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And another
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/14/health/scientists-warn-humanity/index.html

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:20 pm 
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shhh, we don't want this on tv, you know, the sponsors an' all....

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Livestock and Climate Change
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State of the World
Buy State of the World 2011:
Innovations that Nourish the Planet.

Livestock and Climate Change: What if the key actors in climate change are...cows, pigs, and chickens?

The environmental impact of the lifecycle and supply chain of animals raised for food has been vastly underestimated, and in fact accounts for at least half of all human-caused greenhouse gases (GHGs), according to Robert Goodland and Jeff Anhang, co-authors of "Livestock and Climate Change".

A widely cited 2006 report by the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization, Livestock's Long Shadow, estimates that 18 percent of annual worldwide GHG emissions are attributable to cattle, buffalo, sheep, goats, camels, pigs, and poultry. But recent analysis by Goodland and Anhang finds that livestock and their byproducts actually account for at least 32.6 billion tons of carbon dioxide per year, or 51 percent of annual worldwide GHG emissions.

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So I think all transportation, cars, trucks trains, planes combined is around 18%, and raising animals for slaughter is 51%...isn't it amazing the things tv keeps us from finding out about.

Lol, that's hidden like HR676 gets hidden in the fake "health care battle" on tv.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:05 pm 
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Al Gore: I Was Wrong About Global Warming... | Learn About It
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Pedro (untucking his Ted Nugent t-shirt): Exactly. And Mr Quebec over here (nods at Mij) is in charge of the plate and he better not fuck it up!

Mij (tucking in his Bon Jovi tshirt): Yeah yeah yeah. You are uneducated and stupid so don't worry about me.

Pedro: Oh, I'm stupid? I had to explain to you how atoms make light.

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Wow, there is still an EPA site!
https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/source ... -emissions
All of agriculture accounts for 9% of gh gases
Transportation andcelectricity both 28%


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TheCentralScrutinizer wrote:
Maroual wrote:
TheCentralScrutinizer wrote:
Lots of pregnant women are losing their babies after getting the vaccine

Do you have figures?


off the top of my head no but it is statistically significant.

http://organichealthadviser.com/archive ... do-not-mix

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... -Toll.aspx

Those are websites. Not peer reviewed science.

There are some cases of fetal death. Science looks like this:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=e ... pCWxFNd2sJ
Flu is also lethal, more lethal than vaccine
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=e ... 4A8uZe4GYJ


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Oregon sends police to bring back Republicans who left state over climate bill
By Jamie Ehrlich, CNN
Updated 8:38 PM ET, Thu June 20, 2019

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/20/politics/kate-brown-oregon-republican-senators-police-climate-change/index.html

Washington (CNN) Oregon Democratic Gov. Kate Brown on Thursday authorized state police to locate Senate Republicans and bring them back to the state Capitol after some left the state to block the chamber's proceedings.
After more than eight hours of fruitless negotiations late into Wednesday night, Republican state senators in Oregon walked out of a session on Thursday over disagreements on HB 2020, a cap and trade climate bill. All 11 GOP senators failed to appear later Thursday for floor proceedings, leaving the legislative body two senators short of a quorum, according to Kate Kondayen, a spokeswoman for Brown.
At least some of the senators have left the state, according to a statement from the Oregon Senate Republicans, and the wife of one of them says they are all in Idaho at an undisclosed location.
"They all left and are in Idaho. I don't have a way of contacting him," Peggie Boquist, wife of Oregon GOP Sen. Brian Boquist, told CNN when asked the location of her husband.

Brian Boquist met Brown's initial warning to lawmakers by telling TV station KGW: "Send bachelors and come heavily armed. I'm not going to be a political prisoner in the state of Oregon. It's just that simple."
The Oregon State Police said in a statement to CNN on Thursday that it is complying with the governor's "lawful directive," and "utilizing established relationships to have polite communication" with the missing senators.
"While we obviously have many tools at our disposal, patience and communication is and always will be our first, and preferred, option," the police said.
A view of the Senate chamber in Oregon on Thursday revealed empty seats during roll call, as the senators were marked "absent." The absence prompted Brown to authorize a request from Senate Democrats to "bring back their colleagues to finish the work they committed to push forward for Oregonians."
"As the executive of the agency, I am authorizing the State Police to fulfill the Senate Democrats' request," Brown's office said in a statement. "It is absolutely unacceptable that the Senate Republicans would turn their back on their constituents who they are honor-bound to represent here in this building. They need to return and do the jobs they were elected to do."
The state Senate Republicans said in a statement Thursday that they "made the decision to walkout and have left the state to protest cap and trade because it should be referred to the ballot so every Oregonian has a voice."

The passage and signing of HB 2020 would have Oregon join 11 other states that use market-based approaches to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. The bill would place a "cap," or an overall limit on emissions, and then would provide a mechanism to sell fuel providers "emission allowances." State Republicans argue that the measure should be referred to a state ballot rather than voted on in the Legislature.
"Protesting cap and trade by walking out today represents our constituency and exactly how we should be doing our job," Senate Republican Leader Herman Baertschiger Jr. said in a statement Thursday. "We have endured threats of arrest, fines, and pulling community project funds from the Governor, Senate President and Majority Leader. We will not stand by and be bullied by the majority party any longer."


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Jeep's parent company not joining in on call for cleaner cars in US
Gabrielle Coppola 08:13, Jun 19th, 2019

When a group of 17 of the world's largest carmakers sent a letter to US President Donald Trump in June asking him to compromise with California on its tough vehicle-emission standards, one company was notably absent from the list of signatories: Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA).

That holdout stance is not atypical for the maker, known for its Jeep SUVs, big pickup trucks and Italian sports cars.

FCA's public comments hew closer to the Trump administration's reverse shift on Obama-era regulations.

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FCA, famous for its Jeep models, is feeling the eco-pressure: it ranked last among 13 makers for fuel economy in 2017.

"They are looking out for their own best interest, as every company and every person does at the end of the day," says Brett Smith, director of propulsion technology and energy infrastructure at the nonprofit Center for Automotive Research.

General Motors has suggested a national mandate for electric vehicles in 2021 in its written comments to regulators.

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FCA agrees with Trump that cost of cleaner cars could prevent people from buying them, causing an eco-backfire.

Honda Motor has called for "strong 2025 targets" and said it did not support a Trump administration proposal to freeze fuel economy standards.

Ford's top executives have said they "support increasing clean-car standards through 2025 and are not asking for a rollback."

In its written comments submitted to regulators last year, FCA said it agrees with one of the Trump administration's central arguments: stricter fuel-efficiency mandates drive up new vehicle prices, keeping older, dirtier and less-safe cars on the road longer.

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Hybrid and plug-in vehicles are still just 1.5 per cent of the US market. This isn't one.

It said this could undermine the very air quality and safety benefits the Environmental Protection Agency and National Highway Traffic Safety Administration rules aim to deliver.

The EPA and NHTSA are preparing a final rule now that could differ from the post-2020 freeze the agencies recommended last year.

"Our support for one national programme and the mid-term evaluation remains unchanged," FCA said in an emailed statement last week after its peers' letter became public.

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Fiat 500e: FCA has complained publically about having to sell an EV at a loss just to meet Californian regulations.

"It was made clear when we were one of just two automakers to testify last September at hearings held by the EPA and NHTSA."

When the Trump administration proposed stripping California of its authority to limit tailpipe greenhouse-gas emissions last August, Fiat Chrysler made one of the industry's strongest public endorsements of the federal government's right to do so.

"It remains our hope that conflicts over preemption will be avoided by an agreement," the maker wrote in comments submitted to the government last October.

"However, in the absence of such an agreement, FCA agrees that the law gives the federal government the authority to preempt state standards that are directly related to fuel economy."

The Trump administration in February terminated months of talks between federal regulators and California officials about a common standard. Carmakers have urged the two sides to reach an agreement to avert a prolonged legal battle with California, but the White House has rejected that appeal.

A dozen other states adhere to California's emissions rules - a bloc that accounts for more than a third of US auto sales.

According to market research firm Edmunds, FCA's model lineup has the lowest average fuel economy among the six biggest makers. But almost every major manufacturer is boosting production of higher-emission SUVs and trucks for the US market.

The industry acted in unison urging the Obama administration to adjust fuel economy and cried foul when the EPA in 2016 determined no changes were needed, months earlier than expected.

Makers quickly appealed to a newly elected Trump early in 2017 for relief. The plea for a compromise between California and federal regulators reflects a desire to avoid costs from a split standard and the potential for years of uncertainty caused by a courtroom battle over the rules.

"It's important for them to communicate through the general public that yes, in a way, they very much do care about the environment, but they also understand they have a market to serve and to try to sell to," Smith said.

Under chief executive officer Mike Manley, who took over last July, Fiat Chrysler has ramped up plans to electrify its lineup, in part to stay competitive in China and Europe where emissions standards are tougher. The carmaker still stands to benefit the most from Trump's proposed freeze, according to Alan Baum, an independent analyst.

"They're way behind, by design, on electrics and hybrids," Baum said. "To the extent there's any improvement or required improvement in fuel economy, that's really tough for them."

The Italian-American company has been a laggard even by industry standards.

It ranked last among 13 car companies for both fuel economy and carbon emissions in the EPA's evaluation of 2017 model-year sales.

Its late CEO Sergio Marchionne publicly griped about having to sell a money-losing battery electric vehicle in California to meet that state's more stringent emissions standards.

The company has pointed out that demand for low-emissions models remains muted in much of the country, with hybrid and plug-in electric vehicles accounting for just 1.5 per cent of US vehicle sales through July of last year, according to IHS estimates.

"The final rule must be based on the market realities of today," Fiat Chrysler said in its written testimony on emissions-policy revisions.


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Climate change protest blocks street in downtown Portland
Updated Jun 21, 2:43 PM; Posted Jun 21, 1:27 PM
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https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/06/climate-change-protest-blocks-street-in-downtown-portland.html
Updated: 2:42 p.m.

Protesters from an Extinction Rebellion PDX rally used a fire truck to block Southwest Fourth Avenue near City Hall Friday afternoon.

The fire truck was purchased from Craigslist last week after supporters chipped in to raise the money, according to Ken Ward, a protest organizer with Extinction Rebellion. It represents the biggest threat from climate change in this area, he said, wildfires.

Around 200 hundred protesters chanted, “We the people declare a climate emergency," at the protest in Terry Schrunk Plaza, which is across from City Hall.

The rally began at noon. Its goal, according to a press release sent out by Extinction Rebellion PDX, was “to declare a ‘climate emergency’ and call for mass disruption of business-as-usual, as a last ditch effort to force action on the climate change crisis.”

Ward said the protesters plan to be there “until the climate emergency is dealt with,” and plan to have performers join the protest at a later point.

Portland Police Bureau said Friday that the rally did not have a permit.

“We are weighing the risks/benefits of the road impact and the protester and public safety,” Tina Jones, a spokesperson for the bureau said over email Friday.

“I do not know how long they intend to be there," she said, adding, "No arrests that I have been made aware of.”

“We’ve been mired in discussions of micro policy for decades and it’s just not gotten us anywhere," he said. "None of the things that are being discussed or considered in the current political plan are anywhere near sufficient. Nothing we’re thinking about comes anywhere close to the kind of change that we need.”

By 1:23 p.m., a lockdown was declared at City Hall in response to the protest.

Dorothy Elmore, the security manager at City Hall, confirmed the building remained on lockdown Friday afternoon. No one was being let in, even for official appointments. A mayoral aide said they had to move a meeting to a nearby building because their guest was not allowed in.

Michael Esposito, director of green housing company Nuearth Biotecture, said his goal in attending the protest is “furthering the movement, getting more people to speak up and show up and figuring out some better answers.”

“People have been asking politely for decades for government to do something about this approaching crisis, with nothing but zip to show for it," Sarah Carlberg, an organizer with Extinction Rebellion PDX, said in the release. "But we can do the same thing here in Portland that people did on the streets in London, and we know that was phenomenal!”

Dave Killen, Diana Kruzman and Gordon Friedman contributed to this report. This story will be updated.


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Militia threat shuts down Oregon Statehouse amid walkout
Jun 22, 2019 10:42 AM EDT
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/militia-threat-shuts-down-oregon-statehouse-amid-walkout

SALEM, Ore. — The Oregon Capitol will be closed Saturday due to a “possible militia threat” from right-wing protesters as a walkout by Republican lawmakers over landmark climate change legislation drags on.

Republican state senators fled the Legislature — and some, the state — earlier this week to deny the majority Democrats enough votes to take up the climate bill, which would dramatically reduce fossil fuel emissions by 2050. It would be the second program of its kind in the nation after California if passed.

Gov. Kate Brown then dispatched the state police to round up the rogue lawmakers, but none appeared in the Capitol on Friday and the stalemate seemed destined to enter its third day with a week left in the legislative session.

Right-wing groups posted their support for the GOP lawmakers Friday on social media — in one instance offering to provide escorts to them should the state police come for them.

A group of local Republicans were set to protest inside the Capitol on Saturday when lawmakers were present, and anti-government groups threatened to join, prompting the statehouse shutdown.

One of the groups, the Oregon Three Percenters, joined an armed takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in 2016. Dozens of people occupied the remote Oregon refuge for more than a month to protest federal control of Western lands. The standoff began to unravel when authorities fatally shot the group’s spokesman and arrested key leaders as they headed to a community meeting.

“The Oregon State Police has recommended that the Capitol be closed tomorrow due to a possible militia threat,” Carol Currie, spokeswoman for Senate President Peter Courtney, said in an e-mail to The Associated Press late Friday.

The governor’s office also confirmed the threats.

Oregon State Police, in a statement, said it has been “monitoring information throughout the day that indicates the safety of legislators, staff and citizen visitors could be compromised if certain threatened behaviors were realized.”

Also late Friday, Courtney and House Speaker Tina Kotek, both Democrats, condemned comments made by Sen. Brian Boquist, a Republican from Dallas, Oregon, that urged the state police to “send bachelors and come heavily armed” when they come to bring him back to the Capitol.

“His comments have created fear among employees in our workplace,” the leaders said in a joint statement. “We will always defend free speech and welcome frank policy discussions, but threats like these are unacceptable.”

Boquist has not responded to multiple requests for comment. A spokeswoman for Senate Republicans did not respond to queries about the statehouse closure.

Democrats have an 18 to 12 majority in the chamber, but they need 20 members present for a quorum. One GOP senator recently died and has not yet been replaced.

Under the proposed cap-and-trade bill, Oregon would put an overall limit on greenhouse gas emissions and auction off pollution “allowances” for each ton of carbon industries plan to emit. The legislation would lower that cap over time to encourage businesses to move away from fossil fuels: The state would reduce emissions to 45% below 1990 levels by 2035 and 80% below 1990 levels by 2050.

Those opposed to the cap-and-trade plan say it would exacerbate a growing divide between the liberal, urban parts of the state and the rural areas. The plan would increase the cost of fuel, damaging small business, truckers and the logging industry, they say.

Democrats say the measure is an efficient way to lower emissions while investing in low-income and rural communities’ ability to adapt to climate change. It has the support of environmental groups, farmworkers and some trade unions.

California has had for a decade an economy-wide cap and trade policy like the one Oregon is considering. Nine northeastern states have more limited cap-and-trade programs that target only the power sector.


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