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A Wizard, A True Star - this effort, from '73 I think, included everything from soul singing, ballads and real rocking tunes. The studio effects on the LP blended the styles together and the thing holds up very well. It is a lovely effort, and one of his best, INMHO.


I was going to suggest this one for LaMarr as well. Also, for some real complex prog-like (but still fun!) stuff, try Todd Rundgren's Utopia or Another Live (also by Utopia).

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His Utopia work is first-rate (he had a varied career and was a great producer
In addition to his own recordings, Rundgren has produced albums for Halfnelson (first incarnation of Sparks), New York Dolls, Badfinger, Grand Funk Railroad, Hall & Oates, Ian and Sylvia, Meat Loaf, Patti Smith, The Tubes, Tom Robinson Band, XTC, Bad Religion, Cheap Trick, The Hello People, Hiroshi Takano, Bourgeois Tagg, 12 Rods, The Pursuit of Happiness, The Psychedelic Furs, The Band, The American Dream, and many others. The troubled XTC sessions produced the album Skylarking, now considered a high point for band and producer despite its acrimonious origin. Rundgren's production of Meat Loaf's Bat out of Hell helped that album become one of the very top selling LPs released in the 1970s. The industry regard for Rundgren's production work has been a lofty one: Jim Steinman, with whom Rundgren worked on Bat Out of Hell, has said in interviews that "Todd Rundgren is a genius and I don't use that word a lot." [2] (from wikipedia)

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todd rundgren produced 'skylarking' by xtc.

andy partridge hated the album at first, but he got over it, apparently.

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todd rundgren produced 'skylarking' by xtc.

andy partridge hated the album at first, but he got over it, apparently.

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partridge family ?

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todd rundgren produced 'skylarking' by xtc.
andy partridge hated the album at first, but he got over it, apparently.

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nope. andy partridge; xtc guitar player/singer/songwriter.

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I always wondered if FZ was referring to Rundgren in "The Blue Light" when he says, "Excuse me, Todd"

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I believe the "excuse me Todd" line on The Blue Light is in fact in reference to Todd Rungren. If you listen closely you can hear Ike in the background say "excuse me Todd" right after the line "The Pyramid !" By the time Frank picks up on it and repeats it they are in "squid decor" territory. "The Pyramid" would seem to be referring to Todd and Utopia's "pyramid power" album RA (and subsequent tour which featured a pyramid as part of the stage set) which came out a couple of years before The Blue Light would have been recorded. Also in the film Baby Snakes during BHAFA, Frank says "excuse me Todd" right after "pancake makeup", no doubt referring to Todd's glam period


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http://www.connollyco.com/discography/u ... grens.html

Some interesting comparisons between the two

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Lumpy Gravy wrote:
todd rundgren produced 'skylarking' by xtc.

andy partridge hated the album at first, but he got over it, apparently.

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"Dear God" is on that one, right? Great song and video.


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Lumpy Gravy wrote:
todd rundgren produced 'skylarking' by xtc.
andy partridge hated the album at first, but he got over it, apparently.

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"Dear God" is on that one, right? Great song and video.


yep, it's on the cd. was never included on the vinyl. great song, indeed. never saw the video.

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todd rundgren produced 'skylarking' by xtc.
andy partridge hated the album at first, but he got over it, apparently.

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"Dear God" is on that one, right? Great song and video.


yep, it's on the cd. was never included on the vinyl. great song, indeed. never saw the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH98oV4UirM


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Hammer In My Heart. Todd? Utopia? Recording? Answers?


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todd rundgren produced 'skylarking' by xtc.
andy partridge hated the album at first, but he got over it, apparently.

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"Dear God" is on that one, right? Great song and video.


yep, it's on the cd. was never included on the vinyl. great song, indeed. never saw the video.


Actually it was on the vinyl (in the US at least, dunno about abroad), but just not on the initial pressings. "Mermaid Smiled" was replaced with "Dear God" after it started getting some notoriety as a B-side and was getting played on the radio a lot. Andy apparently disliked the song, and that's why he didn't want it on the album. "Mermaid Smiled" is now available on their "Rag and Bone Buffet" CD of outtakes and B-sides.

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Lumpy Gravy wrote:
todd rundgren produced 'skylarking' by xtc.
andy partridge hated the album at first, but he got over it, apparently.

Jakeobs wrote:
"Dear God" is on that one, right? Great song and video.

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yep, it's on the cd. was never included on the vinyl. great song, indeed. never saw the video.

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Actually it was on the vinyl (in the US at least, dunno about abroad), but just not on the initial pressings. "Mermaid Smiled" was replaced with "Dear God" after it started getting some notoriety as a B-side and was getting played on the radio a lot. Andy apparently disliked the song, and that's why he didn't want it on the album. "Mermaid Smiled" is now available on their "Rag and Bone Buffet" CD of outtakes and B-sides.


yeah, that's right. 'dear god' was a minor hit in the us. but, I don't think it was ever included on any of the european vinyls, though.
the 'skylarking'-cd I have now, has both 'dear god' and 'mermaid smiled' on it.

each and every xtc-album has been released in all kinds of different versions over the last decade or so. it's something for a fetishist/completist to keep track of. which I'm not.

and, yeah, 'rag and bone buffet' is a great compilation. what about 'history of rock'n' roll'? the most brilliant 20 seconds ever captured in digital format
(yeah, I know it was released on vinyl originally as part of some short-song album).
partridge ought to make a 'part 2', and include the 90s. three seconds of hip-hop.
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and, yeah, 'rag and bone buffet' is a great compilation. what about 'history of rock'n' roll'? the most brilliant 20 seconds ever captured in digital format
(yeah, I know it was released on vinyl originally as part of some short-song album).
partridge ought to make a 'part 2', and include the 90s. three seconds of hip-hop.
8)


"Rag and bone" is quite nice. I really enjoy "Extrovert" which was the B-side of "Grass" I think. "History of rock and roll" is pretty hilarious too. 8)

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If someone has a vinyl copy of Something/Anything could you please post pictures of the slevees and innerbags (if there is any) just got mine i bought from ebay and just wanted to compare..

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jimmy "the hindu&q wrote:
If someone has a vinyl copy of Something/Anything could you please post pictures of the slevees and innerbags (if there is any) just got mine i bought from ebay and just wanted to compare..

Mine is a single sleeved jacket (does not unfold) with the LPs both in the one sleeve, and the LPs are in plain white innerbags.

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I used to have the vinyl before I upgraded to CD, and it was a gatefold with a big picture of him in his studio with his hands stretched over his head. The record sleeves had the lyrics on them, I think they were pink but I could be wrong. Nice record. Some of my favorite Todd songs are on there.

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Ok thanks :) ..yeah there is a big picture of him in the "studio" when you open the gatefold...mine does not unfortunately have the pink inner bag with lyrics :cry:

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On amazon.com there is a Todd interview in the section where different artists pick their "must hear" music or whatever. If memory serves Todd cites WOIIFTM and comments on FZ's conducting style and the fact that he saw FZ (perform) many times.


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Not surprising at all, Todd was a multi-instrumaentalist and a great producer. I have often found that really creative people tend to appreciate one another.

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Come to think of it, "A Wizard, A True Star" seems like an attempt to approximate the flow and breadth of "Money". Lots of short songs, linked together, shifting gears quickly....

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Correct, and There was a little of that on Something/Anything. But on "Wizard" there was an attempt to paint sound collages and frame things, the way things drift off and come up slowly for "Just One Victory" Or the sound effects, like the arrow.

I believe that Todd saw many of his projects as just that, integrated wholes rather than as many songs as you can fit on two sides of an LP

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I still think frank could take him, he had good foot work, and a wicked left jab!

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I still think frank could take him, he had good foot work, and a wicked left jab!


Of course, their noses would keep colliding, which could disrupt the melee.

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prodigious probosces they were

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