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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:29 pm 
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I just read this on Wikipedia:


Cream bassist Jack Bruce, who plays on the album, is credited with bass guitar on the album cover and in most sources. However, in his interview for Polish rock magazine “Tylko Rock” he stated that he had not played any bass guitar parts on Apostrophe (') (despite them sounding at times very much like the bass lines he played in Cream), only the cello parts: (Tylko Rock, Oct. 1992, pp. 17)

* "WW: Can you tell me something about your cooperation with Frank Zappa?
* JB: Sure, what do you wish to know? (laughs)
* WW: You appeared on his Apostrophe album...
* JB: Yes, as you know, at the time I was recording an album with Carla Bley, far more interesting one... you heard that?
* WW: Yes, Escalator Over The Hill...
* JB: Right. So Frank, whom I met earlier, appeared one day in the studio and asked me: "Can you take your cello and go to my session?" So I turned up in a NY studio with my cello, I'm listening to his music, pretty awful, and just don't know what to do with myself, and Frank says to me: "Listen, I would like you to play a sound, like this... whaaaaaang!!!" So I did what he asked me to do. Whaaaaaang!!! That was all. That was my input to Frank Zappa's most popular record! (laughs) "

("WW" stands for Weiss Wiesław, a highly acclaimed Polish rock journalist.)


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He must have been stoned or something (at the interview or at the recording session(. If that is not Jack Bruce on the title track, I don't know who. (And Zappa made several remarks about not liking his bass playing style - it was to busy for his taste.)

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Bruce has a box set coming out and mentions in the liner notes that he had a session with Zappa where Zappa had rented him a cello that turned out to be too poor of an instrument to use, but that he ended up playing bass instead.


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I'm listening to his music, pretty awful, and just don't know what to do with myself...

I'm I reading this wrong? :x


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r_a_Z_Z wrote:
I'm listening to his music, pretty awful, and just don't know what to do with myself...

I'm I reading this wrong? :x


That's what it said... I couldn't believe it.


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and that (laugh) at the end :shock:
FUCK HIM if this is true

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I met Jack Bruce in 1995, he remarked how strange I mentioned Manfred Mann and Frank Zappa in the same conversation. JB played with MM for a little while. I got the impression that he played with FZ on (')

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From Steven Rosen (January, 1977) "One Size Fits All", Guitar Player:
http://home.online.no/~corneliu/gp77interview.htm

Q: What about playing with (bass guitarist) Jack Bruce on Apostrophe?

FZ: Well, that was just a jam thing that happened because he was a friend of (drummer) Jim Gordon. I found it very difficult to play with him; he's too busy. He doesn't really want to play the bass in terms of root functions; I think he has other things on his mind. But that's the way jam sessions go.


Doesn't that settle it? It is not exactly inconsistent with what Jack Bruce says in his interview. I mean, he is talking 20 years after the fact, and Zappa is in the quote five years after something that is his project. No wonder that their emphasis will differ somewhat.

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Jack Bruce was my favorite vocalist of all time until about 2 years ago, when I discovered the Guess Who and Burton Cummings took over that slot. Still, Bruce's Harmony Row album is in my top 10 albums of all time.

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What's his best stuff? (solo or not)


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(2) things:

(1) If Jack only came in and went BOOOING on the cello, then why is he credited as co-writing the composition? We all know that Frank did not hand out co-writing credits liberally....

(2) Listen to the freakin' part. That is Jack Bruce.

And what a pompous ass with his laughing and "far more interesting one" and "pretty awful". Granted, Frank has demonstrated such pompous remarks in interviews as well.

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RUI wrote:
What's his best stuff? (solo or not)


Ever heard of Cream? :P Seriously rape their catalogue and start there. His work in the Graham Bond Organization (along with Ginger as well) is also great, although his singing then was really out of hand with the "operatics" ("The First Time I Met The Blues" from Live at Klooks Kleek is honestly one of the worst vocal performances I've ever heard in my life... rest of the album is fantastic and I'm gonna listen to it right now actually). Ginger was the one who's solo career I more closely followed, so I'm not that in tune with Jack's solo work but Songs for a Tailor was a really cool listen the couple of times I heard it. Actually I also really like the Baker, Bruce, and Moore album Around the Next Dream. Alot of it sounds like consciously reworking old Cream material but what the fuck, until 10 years later when they reunited with Eric with much diminished powers it was the closest thing we had.

I once read an interview where Jack Bruce was trying to defend his singing style against his critics by saying that "Frank Zappa quite liked it". Considering this guy seems to think Frank was "pretty awful", that looks like stone cold credibility fishing to me. :roll:


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Yep, I had to skip "The First Time I Met The Blues". :arrow: On to "Stormy Monday" we go. :P


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His albums Harmony Row and Out Of The Storm are great.

He does say weird things in interviews sometimes - after the Cream reunion in 2005 he has said that they would be doing further shows, although Clapton and Baker have denied it.


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Maybe it's the blood thinner.


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(1) If Jack only came in and went BOOOING on the cello, then why is he credited as co-writing the composition? We all know that Frank did not hand out co-writing credits liberally....


Probably to get the Cream fans on board. Zappa was a smart guy.


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RUI wrote:
What's his best stuff? (solo or not)


Live Cream Vol 1
Live Cream Vol 2

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He did some really good vocal stuff with Kip Hanrahan in the 80'.

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RUI wrote:
What's his best stuff? (solo or not)


'Wheels of Fire' it's a double album/CD set which includes live and studio recordings. 8)

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You have to get ;Things we Like, this will tell you ALL you need to know about Jack Bruce !!!

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PenguinInBondage wrote:
If Jack only came in and went BOOOING on the cello, then why is he credited as co-writing the composition? We all know that Frank did not hand out co-writing credits liberally....

I agree. This is the point that I was going to make.

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* JB: Right. So Frank, whom I met earlier, appeared one day in the studio and asked me: "Can you take your cello and go to my session?" So I turned up in a NY studio with my cello, I'm listening to his music, pretty awful, and just don't know what to do with myself

Old topic but damn....I am shocked.


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Bruce is seriously confused in that interview. "Apostrophe" was recorded in November 1972 and did not coincide with the recording sessions for Escalator Over the Hill, which had been released more than a year earlier.

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Maybe not (timeline wise at least)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalator_over_the_Hill

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Jack Bruce also appears on bass and vocals (due to the album's long production, he also appeared on Frank Zappa's album Apostrophe, playing bass on the title track). Among the vocalists is a young (and still relatively unknown) Linda Ronstadt, in addition to Jeanne Lee, Paul Jones, Carla Bley, Don Preston, Sheila Jordan, and Bley's and Mantler's then-4-year-old daughter Karen Mantler.

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Wasn't Jack pretty heavy on the horse in '72? I recall reading that around the time of the 2nd West/Bruce/Laing album, they were all pretty smacked out. So no surprise if his memory was pretty cloudy of that year. By the way I love the WBL stuff, especially the live one. It's like a proto hybrid metal/jam band.


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