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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:20 am 
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I'm doing a school project on Zappa. For my project I need to choose two songs that are representative of his corpus to discuss in my essay. I think I'm going to choose "Brown Shoes Don’t Make It” (from Absolutely Free) and "Pron Wars" (misspelled to escape the spam filter) as representative of his satire/political statements (respectively). I'd like to get your thoughts on these choices as representative of what was innovative about Zappa.
  • I guess what they miss is the 'guitar hero' element (for that I guess I could choose something like King Kong or Peaches en Regalia).
  • Perhaps Pron Wars is a bad choice because it seems like a fish out of water in the Zappa catalogue because of the way it relies of sampling voice (instead of sampling an isntrument in xenochrony)
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Perhaps Pron Wars is a bad choice because it seems like a fish out of water in the Zappa catalogue because of the way it relies of sampling voice (instead of sampling an isntrument in xenochrony)


Many would argue that sampling a voice is no different than sampling an instrument.

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While Porn Wars is very innovative (Even Steve Reich says so- might want to include that) it's hardly a 'typical' Zappa piece. I think Zappa used voice much better in 'Dangerous Kitchen' and such, but those can be tough sells. Good choice you made here.


If I was you, I'd choose 'Greggary Peccary' over 'Brown Shoes'. Musically it's much more innovative, and it's at least AS biting as Brown Shoes.


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Nice choices.

Prawn Wars is also an example of assembling sounds like a visual artist assesmbles a collage; some call it "musique concrete," but I don't use qs in music (rimshot).

And there's a 12 tone bit in Brown Shoes.

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I'm doing a school project on Zappa. For my project I need to choose two songs that are representative of his corpus to discuss in my essay. I think I'm going to choose "Brown Shoes Don’t Make It” (from Absolutely Free) and "Pron Wars" (misspelled to escape the spam filter) as representative of his satire/political statements (respectively). I'd like to get your thoughts on these choices as representative of what was innovative about Zappa.
  • I guess what they miss is the 'guitar hero' element (for that I guess I could choose something like King Kong or Peaches en Regalia).
  • Perhaps Pron Wars is a bad choice because it seems like a fish out of water in the Zappa catalogue because of the way it relies of sampling voice (instead of sampling an isntrument in xenochrony)
Thanks for your thoughts : )


How about N-Lite & Watermellon In Easter Hay

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How about N-Lite & Watermellon In Easter Hay


or 'are you hung up?' and 'hot poop.'

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Typical Zappa songs would be 'Peaches En Regalia' and 'Inca Roads'

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Peaches for sure, definitely Ahead of Its Time too.

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Little House I Used to Live In and Flakes - improvisation vs comedy


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I don't agree with Porn Wars, but I do agree that Inca Roads should definitely be one.


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Dancin' Fool and Valley Girl - showcasing Zappa the chart-topping hitmaker.

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Inca Roads (covers most of his styles in one song) and Trouble Every Day (where it all begun)

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feetlightup wrote:
Dancin' Fool and Valley Girl - showcasing Zappa the chart-topping hitmaker.


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Hungry Freaks, Daddy and Ain't Got No Heart, well those one were the first two...

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i know one should be "SATLTSADW', tight written parts, a solo, and humor. all FZ all the time. maybe the other one could be a synclavier release or a classical release to round him off, perhaps SATLTSADW and the LSO envelopes so you get a paired song set but two very diffrent approaches. Idunno, all I know is that SATLTSADW is the only song i can think of that has crazy orchestrations along with the dangerous kitchen esque vocals in parts, a killer solo, ridicoulus meter changes, perhpas all its missing is naughty vocals or religou/politcal satire.

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Grimpoteuthis wrote:
i know one should be "SATLTSADW', tight written parts, a solo, and humor. all FZ all the time. maybe the other one could be a synclavier release or a classical release to round him off, perhaps SATLTSADW and the LSO envelopes so you get a paired song set but two very diffrent approaches. Idunno, all I know is that SATLTSADW is the only song i can think of that has crazy orchestrations along with the dangerous kitchen esque vocals in parts, a killer solo, ridicoulus meter changes, perhpas all its missing is naughty vocals or religou/politcal satire.


Christ! For those who are confused, SALTLTSADW stands for Ship Arriving Too Late to Save a Drowning Witch. Grimpoteuthis, you need to spell out the song at least once so we don't have to mentally run down the entire Zappa song catalog to figure out what you are talking about. That aside, my vote goes for Brown Shoes Don't Make It (BSDMI) and The Black Page (TBP).


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By the way you guys can say "porn" if you just write it like p[i][/i]orn in your message.


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porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn porn !!


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Way to stick it to The Man, Tom29!!

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"Opus 1, No. 3, 2nd Movement, Presto" and "Opus 1, No. 4, 2nd Movement, Allegro".

Just kidding.

I would go with "Brown Shoes Don't Make It" and "Inca Roads".

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Way to stick it to The Man, Tom29!!

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prowsej wrote:
I'm doing a school project on Zappa. For my project I need to choose two songs that are representative of his corpus to discuss in my essay. I think I'm going to choose "Brown Shoes Don’t Make It” (from Absolutely Free) and "Pron Wars" (misspelled to escape the spam filter) as representative of his satire/political statements (respectively). I'd like to get your thoughts on these choices as representative of what was innovative about Zappa.
  • I guess what they miss is the 'guitar hero' element (for that I guess I could choose something like King Kong or Peaches en Regalia).
  • Perhaps Pron Wars is a bad choice because it seems like a fish out of water in the Zappa catalogue because of the way it relies of sampling voice (instead of sampling an isntrument in xenochrony)
Thanks for your thoughts : )


If you have the time and energy, instead of one of the songs I would suggest you to evaluate We're Only in it for the Money or Apostrophe as "projects", rather than albums. That should be hell of a fun to dissect either one.

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I enjoyed this book by Allan Moore very much in which he both personally and professionally analyzed the whole album. There are quite a lot of other books in the 33 1/3 series maybe you might find helpful in your project (as far as I know there are no Zappa album interpretations in the series but especially the professional point of view might help you).

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