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 Post subject: The Lone Ranger LP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:10 pm 
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Just picked this boot up at a local record store. Does anyone know when it was recorded? Or who performs on it withfrank? I can't find any info

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 Post subject: Re: The Lone Ranger LP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:02 pm 
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Discogs sez its basically the same as Läther...

No idea, why the notes say "recorded live at an unknown date and location".
This is a collection of Zappa playing the material of his "Lather"-box on the radio, circa 1977. "Lather" back then was blocked by Warner, and the material soon appeared in 1978/79 on four different releases without Zappa's consent: "Live in New York", "Studio Tan", "Orchestral Favorites" and "Sleep Dirt". "The Lone Ranger" sure includes some live material, but it is very well known when and at what locations this has been recorded (for details check the mentioned releases, or the finally Zappa-self-released "Läther"-CD-box).


https://www.discogs.com/Frank-Zappa-The-Lone-Ranger/release/915686

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 Post subject: Re: The Lone Ranger LP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:57 pm 
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The Lone Ranger (2 LP)

Läther tracks (put your mind back in 1977)
All tracks officially released on the Läther triple compact disc album in 1996

Label: Jazz 001/002
Matrix number: Jazz 001-A / Jazz 001-B / Jazz 002-A / Jazz 002-B

Musicians: VARIOUS!

1. Flambay [listed as "Jazz Improvisation Part 1"]
2. The Purple Lagoon [slash "Approximate"]

3. Pedro's Dowry [listed as "Jazz Improvisation Part 2"]
4. Leather ["Läther"]
5. Spider Of Destiny
6. The Duke Of Orchestral Prunes

7. Filthy Habits [listed as "Karl's Guitar"]
8. The Ocean Is The Ultimate Solution [listed as "Not Again"]
9. Lemme Take You To The Beach [listed as "The Beach Song"]
10. The Black Page #1 [listed as "Last And Least"]
11. Big Leg Emma

12. The Adventures Of Greggary Peccary [listed as "Adventurous Stories"]

The cover has a picture of Zappa from the 200 Motels sessions, shot with a caleidoscope lens. The back cover has a Zoot Allures era picture. The labels are dark blue with track lists, vinyl sides, and copyright notes. The artist is identified as Jazzmen. Sides 1, 2, and 4 have the letters PF below the matrix numbers - compare this to official Warner Brothers releases. Pressed in both black and blue vinyl runs.

See also: Leatherette
See also: Pa's Nose Fell Off At Breakfast, It Fell Right In Ma's Coffee And Displaced It


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 Post subject: Re: The Lone Ranger LP
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:02 pm 
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Thank you for the info folks. Any idea who performs on the live section by chance?

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 Post subject: Re: The Lone Ranger LP
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TheIndianOfTheGroup wrote:
Thank you for the info folks. Any idea who performs on the live section by chance?


Complete list of Läther personnel here:

http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/lyrics/Lather.html

Throw your worthless bootleg in the trash where it belongs and pick up the official item while you're at it.


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 Post subject: Re: The Lone Ranger LP
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TwentySmallCigars wrote:
TheIndianOfTheGroup wrote:
Thank you for the info folks. Any idea who performs on the live section by chance?


Complete list of Läther personnel here:

http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/lyrics/Lather.html

Throw your worthless bootleg in the trash where it belongs and pick up the official item while you're at it.


Actually it's not worthless, it has some pretty unique content

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 Post subject: Re: The Lone Ranger LP
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TheIndianOfTheGroup wrote:
TwentySmallCigars wrote:
TheIndianOfTheGroup wrote:
Thank you for the info folks. Any idea who performs on the live section by chance?


Complete list of Läther personnel here:

http://globalia.net/donlope/fz/lyrics/Lather.html

Throw your worthless bootleg in the trash where it belongs and pick up the official item while you're at it.


Actually it's not worthless, it has some pretty unique content


There is nothing on this bootleg that is not on the official Läther release in better quality. Don't kid yourself.


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 Post subject: Re: The Lone Ranger LP
PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:13 am 
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 Post subject: Re: The Lone Ranger LP
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Mr. Nice Guy wrote:
There are no degrees of uniqueness. Either, something is unique, or it's not. - jimmie d 8)


Good point. There are also no degrees of worthlessness.


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 Post subject: Re: The Lone Ranger LP
PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:31 pm 
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Sweet mother of god people let the man enjoy his album and I believe a has a very rare format of that release so..good for you.... :smoke:


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 Post subject: Re: The Lone Ranger LP
PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:15 am 
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I'm a member of bootlegs anonymous

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 Post subject: Re: The Lone Ranger LP
PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:46 am 
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Don't worry, the same guys no doubt winge about the 'Beat The Boot's' series and I still hope for a release to USB with all 3 sets of that series (the third of which has not been available for ..... a very long time.)


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 Post subject: Re: The Lone Ranger LP
PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:12 am 
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Am I really being berated because I bought a bootleg? It does have frank performing on it, correct? We are supposed to be here discussing how we love Frank's music, goddamn! This vinyl was the only thing available at my local record store which is an hour away mind you. Not to mention the fact that this particular vinyl goes for one hindered bucks online

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 Post subject: Re: The Lone Ranger LP
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Whatever you do don't buy the FZ Hologram Live album or they will run you out of town with pitch forks and torches.... :mrgreen:


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 Post subject: Re: The Lone Ranger LP
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I'm not trying to berate anyone. It's your money, spend it how you like. If you bought your LP as an investment or you just like the cover, knock yourself out, but you don't strike me as a collector. I certainly have a TON of bootlegs, some of which I'm happy with and some of which I feel pretty ripped off about. But I also own the complete Zappa catalogue, which should be a person's focus before venturing out into the grey world of unofficial releases.

However, it seems there are more than a few young and new Zappa fans here (God bless you, the world needs more of you) that I feel could use a little advice to keep them from getting ripped off as much as I did back in the pre-internet days. If you're unsure about what's on a bootleg title, the Zappa Patio is still a great resource although it hasn't been updated for a while.

For the record, although I don't own the Lone Ranger LP, I do own Leatherette, Pa's Nose Fell Off at Breakfast, the Edison 4-LP box and the 4CD Läther-Box, all of which I was thrilled to own at one time and none of which I play anymore once the ZFT released Läther officially. If you're truly interested in the music this is the only one you need to listen to.

Universal Music has re-released (pretty much) the entire Zappa catalogue in the best quality currently available. The ZFT gets royalties from sales of this stuff and this allows them to keep releasing the fantastic stuff they do. Don't give money to anyone else, everything else is available for free elsewhere.


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 Post subject: Re: The Lone Ranger LP
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Spaceresearcher wrote:
Don't worry, the same guys no doubt winge about the 'Beat The Boot's' series and I still hope for a release to USB with all 3 sets of that series (the third of which has not been available for ..... a very long time.)


The third BTB set is mostly from a bootleg called Apocrypha, which is pretty easy to find, as are all the other boots in the sets.

However, if you send me a PM with your mailing address I will send you a USB with all three BTB sets on it. State your preferred format.


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 Post subject: Re: The Lone Ranger LP
PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:29 am 
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TwentySmallCigars wrote:
I'm not trying to berate anyone. It's your money, spend it how you like. If you bought your LP as an investment or you just like the cover, knock yourself out, but you don't strike me as a collector. I certainly have a TON of bootlegs, some of which I'm happy with and some of which I feel pretty ripped off about. But I also own the complete Zappa catalogue, which should be a person's focus before venturing out into the grey world of unofficial releases.

However, it seems there are more than a few young and new Zappa fans here (God bless you, the world needs more of you) that I feel could use a little advice to keep them from getting ripped off as much as I did back in the pre-internet days. If you're unsure about what's on a bootleg title, the Zappa Patio is still a great resource although it hasn't been updated for a while.

For the record, although I don't own the Lone Ranger LP, I do own Leatherette, Pa's Nose Fell Off at Breakfast, the Edison 4-LP box and the 4CD Läther-Box, all of which I was thrilled to own at one time and none of which I play anymore once the ZFT released Läther officially. If you're truly interested in the music this is the only one you need to listen to.

Universal Music has re-released (pretty much) the entire Zappa catalogue in the best quality currently available. The ZFT gets royalties from sales of this stuff and this allows them to keep releasing the fantastic stuff they do. Don't give money to anyone else, everything else is available for free elsewhere.


Fair enough. I am a collector but my entire zappa collection was stolen from me about a year ago so I became very uninterested in starting that climb again until now. I had about half of his records at the time

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 Post subject: Re: The Lone Ranger LP
PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:27 am 
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My problem is not with bootlegs. Rather, I object to the improper use of the word "unique". The word "unusual" would have been appropriate.

unique

adjective
1. being the only one of its kind; unlike anything else.

noun
1. a unique person or thing.


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 Post subject: Re: The Lone Ranger LP
PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:39 am 
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Mr. Nice Guy wrote:
My problem is not with bootlegs. Rather, I object to the improper use of the word "unique". The word "unusual" would have been appropriate.

unique

adjective
1. being the only one of its kind; unlike anything else.

noun
1. a unique person or thing.


Ok Webster, thanks for the definition

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 Post subject: Re: The Lone Ranger LP
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collector
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noun
1.
a person or thing that collects.
2.
a person employed to collect debts, duties, taxes, etc.
3.
a person who collects books, paintings, stamps, shells, etc., especially as a hobby.



It has nothing to do with loving music.

Every bootleg I ever owned was acquired because I just had to hear the music.


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 Post subject: Re: The Lone Ranger LP
PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:42 pm 
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Just back from the vault.....I too own the bootleg Lone Ranger lp

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 Post subject: Re: The Lone Ranger LP
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downer mydnyte wrote:
collector
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noun
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a person or thing that collects.
2.
a person employed to collect debts, duties, taxes, etc.
3.
a person who collects books, paintings, stamps, shells, etc., especially as a hobby.



It has nothing to do with loving music.

Every bootleg I ever owned was acquired because I just had to hear the music.


Exactly my thoughts

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 Post subject: Re: The Lone Ranger LP
PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:41 am 
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Gray_Ghost wrote:
Just back from the vault.....I too own the bootleg Lone Ranger lp

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See, I knew I wouldn't be the only

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