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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:02 pm 
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Buy the fucking thing, Cal.
(If you think it's any good, I might buy it too, heh, heh, heh).

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:14 pm 
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Caputh wrote:
Buy the fucking thing, Cal.
(If you think it's any good, I might buy it too, heh, heh, heh).


I can say without hyperbole that this is a million times better than any compilation that the ZFT have put out this year.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:31 pm 
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It's fine, as a completist nut, saying to all the completist nuts out there, oh just buy it - give in.

I agree with the guy from Zappa patio, the mix is like a Ryko release.

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If Porn Wars Deluxe had appeared as an outtake on a boot or somesuch, I would not have believed it was made by Frank.


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Ive had it in the car for a few days now, nice mix of music....Initially strange to be grooving along to an oh so familiar track that then cuts into the completely unexpected.

This CD will make an excellent christmas gift with which to subvert uninitiated unsuspecting relatives and friends.......

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I really don't get all the upset over this album. Surely we all agree that with Ryko out of the picture, Gail had to find a way to get FZ's catalogue back on the market - hence UME. One of her beefs with Ryko was their gratuitous releasing of all those compilations of FZ's music that weren't put together by FZ himself. She's hardly going to rerelease Strictly Commercial or those Cheap Thrills items via UME. Mothermania is back for an early Mothers compilation, so, it seems a later compilation put together by Frank himself is not an inappropriate candidate. It's that simple.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:27 pm 
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Just another review from elsewhere (http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B009GGWX4K/ref=pd_sim_m_h__cm_cr_acr_img_2)
3 of 5 people found the following review helpful
1.0 out of 5 stars A Family Trust Minefield!, 24 Nov 2012
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This review is from: Understanding America (Audio CD)
I've been a lifelong and commited Zappa fan; there's undoubtedly something exquisitely unique about so much of his music. So, like other Zappa fans, I'm often prepared to take a bit of a punt on any newly discovered CD. And, for the loyal Zappa fan who doesn't yet possess the mind- bogglingly immense full catalogue, I would strongly contend that there is indeed still much worth searching out.

When considering yet another purchase picking through a list of song titles on its own can be somewhat problematic, often exaccerbated by Frank's penchant for renaming and recycling old tunes, but factor in the Zappa Family Trust's determination to churn out CD after CD without even this minimalist offering and one can begin to appreciate the burgeoning minefield that Frank Zappa's musical legacy has gradually become since his untimely death.

Such recently(ish) unearthed gems as 'Imaginary Diseases' and much of 'Carnegie Hall' are the undeniable proof that there is still worthy stuff waiting to be brought out into the spotlight, but tragically Gail Zappa seems determined to wring every last penny out of Frank's many loyal fans. Thus, there appears also to be vast opportunity for the constant rejigging of music that most of us will already have been listening to for several decades.

Personally I'd be prepared to risk the purchase of an element of more-of-the-same for another five or ten minutes of FZaTMoI in their musical prime, an ingenious rescoring of 'Black Napkins or 'Chunga's Revenge maybe,' but all too often The Zappa Family Trust have contrived to almost deny us even this.

Alas 'Understanding America' falls very much into the old-stuff-rejigged category. As a compilation it works well enough but, excepting a twenty minute FZ diatribe, there really isn't anything new here. Should Zappa's music be a relatively new discovery for you there are at least a couple of dozen far better alternatives to consider.

Well worth giving a wide berth to!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:53 pm 
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polydigm wrote:
I really don't get all the upset over this album. Surely we all agree that with Ryko out of the picture, Gail had to find a way to get FZ's catalogue back on the market - hence UME. One of her beefs with Ryko was their gratuitous releasing of all those compilations of FZ's music that weren't put together by FZ himself. She's hardly going to rerelease Strictly Commercial or those Cheap Thrills items via UME. Mothermania is back for an early Mothers compilation, so, it seems a later compilation put together by Frank himself is not an inappropriate candidate. It's that simple.


You MUST get upset. NOW!


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:24 pm 
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polydigm wrote:
I really don't get all the upset over this album.

It's like this, Pol...
If you are a real, actual, full-blooded, dyed-in-the-wool, legitimate Zappa fan, then you have to buy all his albums, plus all related releases, no matter how tenuous the connection may be. This means, if The Gail Gang release a sampler/compilation/collection...anything with previously released material, you MUST buy it. There is no choice for you. A faux fan, or poser Zappanatic, can pass on rehashed tunery, but not a loyal listener who "gets it" and can spot an eyebrow at 100 feet. Just ask anytrendmonger.
So, by releasing Understanding America, they are forcing those with a finely-honed musical understanding to spend their hard-earned money to buy something they don't really need to have.
And, this blatant manipulation of our dedicated mental obeisance pisses us off!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:06 pm 
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just plain doug wrote:
polydigm wrote:
I really don't get all the upset over this album.

It's like this, Pol...
If you are a real, actual, full-blooded, dyed-in-the-wool, legitimate Zappa fan, then you have to buy all his albums, plus all related releases, no matter how tenuous the connection may be. This means, if The Gail Gang release a sampler/compilation/collection...anything with previously released material, you MUST buy it. There is no choice for you. A faux fan, or poser Zappanatic, can pass on rehashed tunery, but not a loyal listener who "gets it" and can spot an eyebrow at 100 feet. Just ask anytrendmonger.
So, by releasing Understanding America, they are forcing those with a finely-honed musical understanding to spend their hard-earned money to buy something they don't really need to have.
And, this blatant manipulation of our dedicated mental obeisance pisses us off!


...and the reason it pisses us off is that we will do it over and over again.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:18 pm 
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I own 131 Frank Zappa albums when I do not own even 30 of any other artist. Yet, I do not own any copies of FZ Plays The Music Of FZ, FZ:OZ, Halloween, Joe's Corsage, Joe' Domage, Joe's XMASage, Joe's Menage, Quaudiophiliac, the 4 CD MOFO, Cheap Thrills, Son Of Cheep Thrills, Strictly Genteel, or Old Masters Box One or Three.

Anyone who thinks that makes me a faux fan or poser Zappanatic is fucked in the head.


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dlokazip wrote:
Anyone who thinks [I'm] a faux fan or poser Zappanatic is fucked in the head.
I'm pretty sure that was Doug being very sarcastic ... I'm also pretty sure he wasn't aiming that at you ...

My point is about the official catalogue. Ryko fizzled. An alternative had to be found. It's pretty obvious that with a new firm there would be a new set up and they wouldn't just rehash the old arrangement. Gail's between a rock and a hard place.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:18 pm 
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polydigm wrote:
dlokazip wrote:
Anyone who thinks [I'm] a faux fan or poser Zappanatic is fucked in the head.
I'm pretty sure that was Doug being very sarcastic ... I'm also pretty sure he wasn't aiming that at you ...

My point is about the official catalogue. Ryko fizzled. An alternative had to be found. It's pretty obvious that with a new firm there would be a new set up and they wouldn't just rehash the old arrangement. Gail's between a rock and a hard place.


Well, I was being pretty sarcastic my damn self.

I agree with you mostly. Understanding America is a one off. No need to get so exercised about it. Given the recent output, it's hardly worth complaining about.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:47 am 
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dlokazip wrote:
Given the recent output, it's hardly worth complaining about.
I'm sure you noticed as well as me all the bitching about FZ's catalogue disappearing from the shelves over the last few years. Now it's coming back ... guess what ... more bitching.

As far as I'm concerned it's not about existing fans, surely if we give a shit we've got this sussed out by now. It's mostly about having Zappa's catalogue back on the shelves to be discovered by new fans. I personally was happy the catalogue was coming back and that was it for me. I wasn't planning to buy any (who was I kidding?). The fact that Chunga's Revenge has turned out to be remastered from the original vinyl mix is a dream come true for me - I'm loving it. And, I'm a fan of the vocal Sleep Dirt, but, none the less, the vinyl remaster is fantastic as that is how I listened to it for 12 years before discovering the CD.

A valid complaint I believe is directed at Music Today. We should all unite behind a genuine complaint about a real physical problem. They charge ridiculous amounts for international postage, using outdated methods. I've paid double the value for Road Tapes #1, it dispatched on Nov 6th and still hasn't got here an entire month later. That's a real problem which can be easily contrasted with almost every other online seller.

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polydigm wrote:
A valid complaint I believe is directed at Music Today. We should all unite behind a genuine complaint about a real physical problem. They charge ridiculous amounts for international postage, using outdated methods. I've paid double the value for Road Tapes #1, it dispatched on Nov 6th and still hasn't got here an entire month later. That's a real problem which can be easily contrasted with almost every other online seller.


Definitely with you on that; it's pretty incredible 2bh, as you illustrate.


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dlokazip wrote:
I own 131 Frank Zappa albums when I do not own even 30 of any other artist. Yet, I do not own any copies of FZ Plays The Music Of FZ, FZ:OZ, Halloween, Joe's Corsage, Joe' Domage, Joe's XMASage, Joe's Menage, Quaudiophiliac, the 4 CD MOFO, Cheap Thrills, Son Of Cheep Thrills, Strictly Genteel, or Old Masters Box One or Three.

Anyone who thinks that makes me a faux fan or poser Zappanatic is fucked in the head.

Dude, you're missing some good shit!


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polydigm wrote:
And, I'm a fan of the vocal Sleep Dirt

Some people might argue that this is a somewhat controversial position. :wink:

[edit to include the word 'a']

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Caputh wrote:
polydigm wrote:
And, I'm a fan of the vocal Sleep Dirt

Some people might argue that this is somewhat controversial position. :wink:


Some people might argue that this man possesses taste in great execution of obtuse vocal structure! :mrgreen:

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This is a compilation compiled by Frank Zappa. I fail to see the problem in it.


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Ruz-El wrote:
This is a compilation compiled by Frank Zappa. I fail to see the problem in it.

Agreed. I may buy it when I can bundle it to save postage.

It is perhaps a bit surprising that there were nobody who knew about this compilation until now. Most of other unreleased projects were well known (Trance Fusion, Dance Me This, et al).

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HJ wrote:

It is perhaps a bit surprising that there were nobody who knew about this compilation until now. Most of other unreleased projects were well known (Trance Fusion, Dance Me This, et al).


There was the glimpse of the digital master in that documentary, but FZ never talked about it and it wasn't on the list of finished projects at the end of his life.

We didn't know about Finer Moments either until now.


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.. .porn wars deluxe 25:51
    includes parts of
  • bow tie daddy
    it can't happen here
    brown shoes don't make it
    what's the ugliest part of your body?
    who are the brain police?
    sex
    outside now


porn wars pretty much defined the mothers of prevention album when it came out, to get a double-wide version of porn wars buried in a 2-cd sampler put together by zappa isn't a must have right away, but it's a must have nonetheless, and could re-define m.o.p.

a sampler has it's place on the shelf, cheep thrills were good for a quick fix if you didn't know what to play, itoons makes a 'sampler' obsolete; 3 people asked me to send them a 10 to 12 track sampler list which they proceeded to purchase for their i-apps ... a young guitarist totally intimidated by 800+ tracks available almost overnite; a pop fan who never heard of fz; & a gangsta looking for zappa's skankiest numbers

the guitarist may circle back for a closer look, the other 2 unlikely, but now they have a dozen or so tracks to think about

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Ruz-El wrote:
This is a compilation compiled by Frank Zappa. I fail to see the problem in it.


soundwise, it's problem, I suppose.


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The ending of Who Are The Brain Police? is 9 bars longer than on Freak Out!, and 5 bars longer than on Mothermania ... and it seems that a multiband compresser was used to produce this mix.


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Also, along with Finer Moments, $14.88 at Walmart.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/22153775

Must not contain the F word or make fun of Walmart's gun department.

Remember that Best Buy will match the price.


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