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can't forget Raymond Scott.

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Lee "Scratch" Perry has gotta be up there.
Anyone who smokes a ton of ganja and buries master tapes in his backyard dirt for a spell to give them an "earthy" sound has gotta be hangin' out with Jesus.

Pretty close for me. I do love George Martin's work and although Spector is such a horrible guy, I have to admit he was pretty brilliant in the studio.

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yes he was but the problem is he just did so much that i think it sometimes gets lost, he he had only made We're Only In It For The Money he would have been hailed as amazing by the mainstream, but because he was constantly innovating after a while people stop taking notice, it's there loss really,,, every album as something new and amazing in it...

Sheik Yerbouti: taking live performances and treating them like a new studio album instead of a live album...

Joe's Garage with the Guitar Solo's all being (apart from watermelon) from different performances and not connected with the rhythm section of the tracks (you lot know what i mean)

The Man From Utopia whether you like it or not (I LOVE IT) is an amazingly innovative album..
nothing else like it in 83..

Up to the end civilization, the guitar albums, the list is endless,
constantly innovating and very underrated if you ask me...

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Everybody knows Frank can't touch Austin Wiggin.

Whether the point was lost on anyone is irrelevent, Phil Spector was one of the most influential producers of all time.

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my post was noting to do with Spector, it was pure Zappa... Phil Spector may have been influential but he was a one trick pony with his wall of sound, clever as it was thats his one trick

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You cannot compare eras, because the tech was different. The reason that the wall of sound was so influential had as much to do with the concrete walls of the recording studio as anything else.

Les Paul invented uverdubs, but most recording up until the mid-sixties was 'live' takes with all the instruments playing at once. It was impossible to do what Zappa did with building 32 tracks into the section after "my ship of love is ready to attack" on UM.

Razor-blade edits and re-recording on tape was all there was until digital in the '80s. Many of the 'mistakes' we all talk about in the beginning of digital recording had to do with the technology itself and the sense of experimentation that old-school producers employed till they found out the limitations of the technology.

I would put the 'ears' of Jimmy Iovine, Frank Zappa, Phil Spector, George Martin and Les Paul against any fool with Pro Tools and whatever else there is today (Sly Stone, Stevie Wonder and Lee 'Scratch' Perry were no slouches either).

I would also suggest that the technicians who got the hall acoustics optimally miked for the late 1930s recordings of Duke Ellington had ten times the skill of Rick Rubin, Skrillex, Deadmus5 or all the 'giants' of today's sound.

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Good call.

Brian Wilson deserves a mention.

Absolutely.

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+1...

You know that famous FZ quote re: better than the Beatles?

I found out like a month ago he never actually said that.

boo hoo

The stuff he did was really fun, and he played all the instruments ... "Mustard" is great and so is "Eddie and the Falcons" which is a nice satire on the 50's music ... and is well done! "Mustard" is also a lot of satire although I look at it as 60's music and then some more weirdness.

He might not be a wizzard, but he can play and mix things and then some ... and spend time with Annie Haslam for a while, too! Can't be all bad despite all that hair!

Todd Rundgren was probably one of the first folks to use computers extensively, and create music with them ... which may not be a big thing, but he was involved early with Cakewalk and its program. Cakewalk probably robbed him blind ... but then, he will be remembered and Cakewalk will not!

I don't think he was as idiosyncratic as we think. I do believe that he thought the music needed to be far more different than it was, and his changing it and adding/subtracting to it all the time pretty much shows/expresses that sentiment.

The problem is, that we think he is idiosyncratic, because we do not know his thinking or feeling whenhe does it ... and sometimes there is ... NONE ... to be discussed, thus, it is much easier for us to call him idiosyncratic than anything else.

It is different, and it happens to be one of the byproducts of music in the 20th century that you can record some parts, come back and fix it, before anyone listens to it ... and now with DAW's this is even more so than ever.

Music history has given us a false impression that to make changes and do something different is not right, and this is what the 20th and 21st century in music is trying hard to dispell, and both jazz and rock are at the forefront. IF, and this could be a big IF, this is all about the "idiosyncratic behavior ... then what are we going to say about Stravinsky and so many others in teh 20th Century? ... think about that before you reply ... because many folks, Stravinsky included were trashed for their idiosyncratic composition ... but no one today will ever say that!

It can not be "idiosyncratic" that much anyway ... otherwise there would be 100 different versions of Peaches en Regalia on the Toilet Seat ... and we would be arguing which one was better ... but when putting together things, sometimes you think that it is better with the guitar upside down here, and the drums backwards there ... so what? ... that's just the way it is ... but if all you want it top ten ... please leave Frank alone ... he ... and the fans here ... are NOT interested!

It's important that we study that ... Frank is not idiosyncratic ... at all ... Frank is fussy and detailed about his work ... and we should give him that space!

idiosyncratic:

1. A structural or behavioral characteristic peculiar to an individual or group.

During the Back to the Bars tour in 1978 he showed videos during his concerts saying it would be the waive of the future, no one new what the hell he was talking about at the time...

Yes, dm, I guess one can safely say Frank zappa was idiosyncratic...

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Fair tp say....that......you.....have an idiocy...crat...ic writing sty....l..e

jaypfunk never told me to fuck off , i feel like a good guy

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Je suis désolé pour les roles que j'ai joué dans toutes ces videos, ce n'est pas tres valorisant pour l'humanité mais si cela peut avoir fait progresser la science, alors il y aura eu un coté positif.

It was about the first thing he did to me when I got here as a fresh Zappa-fannette owning only a few comps and SATLTSADW and ', back in 2002. It's his hobby, his raison d'être if you will. Which is all-right, Snookie can use every fan she can get now with that baby.

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Good question, great at pasting, dubbing. But there are a few other good one out there. Massenberg, Sholtz.

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