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 Post subject: All Hail OCCAM'S RAZOR!
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:18 pm 
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I love this solo so much I decided to erect a shrine to it. Well, a thread at least. :wink:

This is one huge, restless, feverish, driven solo. You can feel Frank pushing for something new with every question-and-answer line in it. One of the best solos ever by Frank from that period, imo. And then, when you see how he peeled it off for Joe's Garage and the choices he made in his edit, it's even more impressive.

Anyone else think this is a major FZ solo?

Let Us Genuflect As One Before the Mighty Occam's Razor!

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Love it, however

how bitching is Heidleberg, love that one

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Both are incredible.

However, I really enjoy hearing Occam's Razor out of the context of Joe's Garage. It makes it even more interesting to me. But yes, two very powerful solos. The real meat of the burger of OSD.


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I'm listening to the solo right now, and ... Wow!


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These both could have been on any of the "guitar" sets...perhaps - down the road there will be more.


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I humbly bow down to this shrine!


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*worships at the alter

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Bobby wrote:
These both could have been on any of the "guitar" sets...
Heidelberg was supposed to be on Guitar, according to the Guitar World... notes.


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On the Bus is one of my favorite guitar solos....I don't have OSD yet so you guys are making me right fucking jealous....I can't wait to crank it at a stop light!!!! :twisted:

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It's no "Photograph" by Def Leppard! 8)

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Man, this solo is so worth the asking price of the whole disc.
It would have been a crime to keep this gem locked up in the vault.
Glad that the ZFT decided to unload it on us! 8)

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shit, my package didn't arrive yet, this track sounds very tasty indeed

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Yesterday after work i cranked up Occam's Razor at a stop light. Pedestrians were looking around wondering where that devil music was coming from 8)

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It is so great!!!!

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Love OSD the more I hear it. O.R. and Heidelberg pip it for me I think, but I love the whole thang.....


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The_Acadian_2 wrote:
Yesterday after work i cranked up Occam's Razor at a stop light. Pedestrians were looking around wondering where that devil music was coming from 8)
COOL :wink:

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I want whole song :cry:

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He moves through so many different types of attacks in this solo... to think about executing this in real time myself off the top of my head is just silly to fathom. This is in my top 5 solos ever.

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Even when the solo's over and they go back into the rest of Inca Roads at the end sounds awesome.


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It's a great solo with superior sound.

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Hometown Sausage Jamboree wrote:
Even when the solo's over and they go back into the rest of Inca Roads at the end sounds awesome.


I agree with this post 100%

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I recently read a theory that the opening phrase of "On the Bus" is FZ toying with the chorus of Toto's shitrock anthem "Hold the Line" (hence, perhaps, the original J'sG title "Toad-a-Line"). I hear it, but ESPECIALLY in "Occam's Razor" (he even starts the phrase again right as the track fades out). It's got me thinking about the other times that FZ has used "popular" music to effect in his work...ie "Duck Duck Goose" from Lather ("Whole Lotta Love") and "Bamboozled by Love" on YCDTOSA #3 ("Owner of a Lonely Heart"). Any other times this happens?


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zomby truth wrote:
I recently read a theory that the opening phrase of "On the Bus" is FZ toying with the chorus of Toto's shitrock anthem "Hold the Line" (hence, perhaps, the original J'sG title "Toad-a-Line"). I hear it, but ESPECIALLY in "Occam's Razor" (he even starts the phrase again right as the track fades out). It's got me thinking about the other times that FZ has used "popular" music to effect in his work...ie "Duck Duck Goose" from Lather ("Whole Lotta Love") and "Bamboozled by Love" on YCDTOSA #3 ("Owner of a Lonely Heart"). Any other times this happens?


Zappa tends to do stuff like this a lot. There is his obvious use of 'Louie Louie' in numerous places; there's the 'Does Humour Belong In Music'? Version of 'Tinsel Town Rebellion' which quotes a plethora of material,..I'd check the Zappa patio for a completer list; but it happens fairly often.


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Thanks, Feral. Those are good examples. I may be looking for things that are "used" as oppossed to "quoted." "Rhymin' Man" on BTHW has multiple quotes from at least a dozen songs, but none of them provide "fabric" like "Hold the Line" does for "Occam's Razor." "Louie Louie" and "Plastic People" is another example of what I'm talking about. Without "Louie Louie," there's no "Plastic People." It just interests me from an artistic vantage point, I suppose. As a someone interested in literature, I'm always aware of allusions, etc. They're satisfying to puzzle out. Perhaps I'll start my own list as I work my way through the FZ catalog for the umpteenth time. :)


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zomby truth wrote:
Thanks, Feral. Those are good examples. I may be looking for things that are "used" as oppossed to "quoted." "Rhymin' Man" on BTHW has multiple quotes from at least a dozen songs, but none of them provide "fabric" like "Hold the Line" does for "Occam's Razor." "Louie Louie" and "Plastic People" is another example of what I'm talking about. Without "Louie Louie," there's no "Plastic People." It just interests me from an artistic vantage point, I suppose. As a someone interested in literature, I'm always aware of allusions, etc. They're satisfying to puzzle out. Perhaps I'll start my own list as I work my way through the FZ catalog for the umpteenth time. :)


Oh, okay, sorry. :lol: Totally misunderstood ya.

Well, I don't really remember if they are difrectly connected, but 'Duke Of Prunes' has a clear connection to 'Duke Of Earl'. Oh, also, another one of his solos (which I've only heard once, so forgive me if I'm wrong) 'In A Gadda Stravinsky'? Perhaps that qualifies?

It's a really very interesting question you just brought up. Thanks!


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