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this is it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSUCXlQBc-A
what he mean :?

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The kick drum sound on YCDTOSA vol. 2 is unbelievably shit. Almost ruins a great album.
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The kick drum sound on YCDTOSA vol. 2 is unbelievably shit. Almost ruins a great album.


it's chad wackerman's. and I agree, it sucks.

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oh blame chad then !! hahahaha.
reediculous.

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oh blame chad then !! hahahaha.
reediculous.


why would we blame chad? it was frank's decision to put it in there instead of chester's.

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my point exactly.

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timm0 wrote:
my point exactly.


you could have said so then.

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There's no Wackerman overdub on this release. It's a rumor and it's false.

Bossk (R) <wikberg@mbox301.swipnet.se> wrote:
Bob Stone just e-mailed me a one-word reply:

"False".


http://www.arf.ru/Notes/Ycd2/intro2.html

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Isaac wrote:
There's no Wackerman overdub on this release. It's a rumor and it's false.


shut up, isaac.

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shut up, isaac.


You shut up. Were you there when the album was mixed? No. Bob Stone was the engineer on the album. He knows more than you about this subject. Stop acting like a bitch.

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Isaac wrote:
You shut up. Were you there when the album was mixed? No. Bob Stone was the engineer on the album. He knows more than you about this subject. Stop acting like a bitch.

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you're wrong (as usual). frank zappa replaced chester thompson's kick drum with samples of chad's kick drum. it's true, and it's obvious if you listen.

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What evidence do you have? We have the word of someone who actually worked on the album, versus the word of somebody who doesn't want to admit that he's wrong. I could say that I personally don't hear it, but my opinion on this matter doesn't matter when you have someone who actually mixed the album saying that the rumor's false. Quit acting like a bitch and face facts. (You still want to know if I hear it? I don't. You know why? Because it's not there.)

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Isaac wrote:
What evidence do you have? We have the word of someone who actually worked on the album, versus the word of somebody who doesn't want to admit that he's wrong. Quit acting like a bitch and face facts.

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you stupid little twerp.
did bob stone work with frank zappa during 1993 when zappa remastered and made his final approved masters for the ryko 95 releases? no, he didn't!

again; listen to chester thompson's kick drum on other zappa albums he played on, and compare it to the kick drum heard on the helsinki concert.

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You can't counter "fact" with "yelling and whatever I say goes even if I have no evidence to back it up". That's the Ann Coulter/monkey part of the brain at work.

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You can't counter "fact" with "yelling and hearsay". That's the Ann Coulter/monkey part of the brain at work.

Isaac


isaac... :mrgreen:

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Maybe Bob Stone just denies the rumor?
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Ed Organus Maximus wrote:
Maybe Bob Stone just denies the rumor?


Why do you think it's called a "rumor"?

I could start a rumor that one of Zappa's daughters dated Carrot Top, but I'd have absolutely no proof to back it up. Actually, I'm really sorry for even motioning the idea...I don't even know if Carrot Top is human...

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Fine. I'm waiting for a sensible explanation how come the kick drum on YCDTOSA2 sounds so different from other 1974 band recordings (a la "Smell My Beard"), to the point of sounding sterile and, well, a bit 80s if you will.

I'm fairly sure there's a Wackerman kick sound triggered on CD version of "Mr Green Genes" too. It just sounds like that. What? You actually think that instead FZ invented the time machine and brought some state-of-the-art drum mikes to the Apostolic Studio? :mrgreen:
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Ed Organus Maximus wrote:
I'm fairly sure there's a Wackerman kick sound triggered on CD version of "Mr Green Genes" too. It just sounds like that.


I think so too.

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did bob stone work with frank zappa during 1993 when zappa remastered and made his final approved masters for the ryko 95 releases? no, he didn't!


Is the remastered version different from the first release ? I've got the first Zappa Records edition from 1988 and I never noticed a 84 kick drum sound.

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My_Name_Is_Fritz wrote:
Is the remastered version different from the first release ? I've got the first Zappa Records edition from 1988 and I never noticed a 84 kick drum sound.


88? 84? I'm talking '93.

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Is the remastered version different from the first release ? I've got the first Zappa Records edition from 1988 and I never noticed a 84 kick drum sound.


88? 84? I'm talking '93.


I asked if the 88 version is different from later editions.

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Official Ryko statement on volumes 1-4: "New master; New timing sheet: Volumes 1-4" [full statement]. John Henley's statement:

I have replaced Stages 1, 2 and 4 with the newer issues, and I think they sound better, especially 2. There are no ... differences to the mix, I just think the newer masters sound a little more lifelike, a little less attenuated on the high end.

Some dissent from David G:

The only duplicate I have is volume II, and (apologies to John Henley) I am disappointed to report that the old Ryko and new Ryko of stage II are absolutely digitally identical.


http://lukpac.org/~handmade/patio/vinylvscds/stage.html#1995cds

There are no Wackerman overdubs on YCDTOS Vol. 2.

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http://mixonline.com/mag/audio_complete_mark_pinske_2/

Mix: There seems to be some reference in the newsgroups to the possibility that the kick drum on the Helsinki concerts was kind of sampled in or something.
Pinske: It was. It's called a Disco Boombox. It was made by dbx. It's a little thing called Disco Boombox. That's what the name of it was. You could spit into it and a kick drum would come out. [Laughs.] You could basically send anything you wanted into it and a kick drum would come out.
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