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What about one (or both) of the songs being something like The Black Page or King Kong or some other song that appears in a number of places throughout the Catalogue as recorded by different groups? Maybe Pound For A Brown? That exists all over the place as performed by very different groups, including as guitar solos and various improvisation parts, such as within When Yuppies Go To Hell and a couple tracks on Playground Psychotics; it was performed by the Ensemble Modern as well. Blah blah, I guess my point is: maybe you should look at multiple instances/arrangements of the same FZ composition to really get into FZ's ingenious innovative capabilities.

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yeah Scarf, I have a compilation like that with all the versions of Pound For a Brown/Sleeping In a Jar that I could find at the time. Along with Put A Motor In Yourself that *I* think is distinctly related. It's awesome!!!!!
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Any two could work. How 'bout Watermelon in Easter Hay and Billy the Mountain? A couple of tasty little suckers with lots to sink your teeth into.

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Thank you very much for your suggestions. Based on the feedback on here, I listened to several other Zappa tracks with an ear to whether they'd work for my essay. Tried Ship Arriving Too Late to Save a Drowning Witch, but I didn't really like it. Ended up going with Peaches En Regalia (the only track Zappa never heard anyone say they disliked) and I'm the Slime to capture some element of social commentary and the guitar solo. It was a fun paper to write - the book Zappa (2004) was quite enjoyable!


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prowsej wrote:
Tried Ship Arriving Too Late to Save a Drowning Witch, but I didn't really like it.


why didnt you like it?

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Ended up going with Peaches En Regalia (the only track Zappa never heard anyone say they disliked)


what are you talking about?


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prowsej wrote:
Thank you very much for your suggestions. Based on the feedback on here, I listened to several other Zappa tracks with an ear to whether they'd work for my essay. Tried Ship Arriving Too Late to Save a Drowning Witch, but I didn't really like it. Ended up going with Peaches En Regalia (the only track Zappa never heard anyone say they disliked) and I'm the Slime to capture some element of social commentary and the guitar solo. It was a fun paper to write - the book Zappa (2004) was quite enjoyable!


I'm not really sure I agree with the choices you made- waay too narrow, in my opinion- but I'm sure it was a great paper. Cna you post it up here?


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Raoul Duke wrote:
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Tried Ship Arriving Too Late to Save a Drowning Witch, but I didn't really like it.


why didnt you like it?
I like the piece because it is complicated, difficult, combines many different genres and has an especially vibrant opening. But I felt intimidated by it because I don't have a good musical knowledge and found that I didn't have much to say about it because I didn't really know what was going on with it/was new/innovative/noteworthy/significant/quintessential beyond a few superficial observations.
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Ended up going with Peaches En Regalia (the only track Zappa never heard anyone say they disliked)


what are you talking about?
I just remember in Zappa's 'autobiography', when he's asked a trite question about his 'favourite song or album' (or something to that effect) he gives a meandering response which says (paraphrased from my memory) "well, the only song of mine where I've never heard anyone say that they disliked it is Peaches En Regalia".


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i would say, the black page and put a motor in yourself!!


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i would say, the black page and put a motor in yourself!!


good songs but both instrumental so not a very broad scopes. good songs? what am Italking about? GREAT SONGS

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revised music for guitar and low budget orchestra should be in there


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Son of Mr. Green Genes, or Willie the Pimp for instrumentals.
Will you present your essay to an audience after playing the songs 8)?


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Autoarbitaster wrote:
Willie the Pimp for instrumentals


are you deaf?


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I'm deaf enough to consider that an instrumental song.
Are you pedantic?


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One song I'd consider including is Rubber Shirt off of Sheik Yerbouti. The fact that the drums and bass lines never occured together yet go together perfectly astounds me. They were even recorded in different tempos.

Another would be the Gumbo Variations off of Hot Rats, for obvious reasons!

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Autoarbitaster wrote:
I'm deaf enough to consider that an instrumental song.
Are you pedantic?


what version of willie the pimp are you talking about?


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Raoul Duke wrote:
Autoarbitaster wrote:
I'm deaf enough to consider that an instrumental song.
Are you pedantic?


what version of willie the pimp are you talking about?


Considering 75% of it is an instrumental, it's more incorrect to call it a vocal song than an instrumental.

..and there's only one recording of it with vocals. (Officially released, anyway.)


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Raoul Duke wrote:
what version of willie the pimp are you talking about?

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Considering 75% of it is an instrumental, it's more incorrect to call it a vocal song than an instrumental.

..and there's only one recording of it with vocals. (Officially released, anyway.)


make that two. there's one on 'you can't do that on stage anymore, vol. 4.'

no, wait, threre's three. 'fillmore east june 1971' has it too (with different lyrics, though, since it kinda goes together with 'latex solar beef.')

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I just meant that within the context of this thread, I suggest using 'Willie the Pimp' as a demonstration of Frank's instrumental composition. And I was waylaid by a skulking pedant.


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[...]I was waylaid by a skulking pedant.

I hate it when that happens...

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If this me, I'd do The Black Page and something like 3rd Movement of Sinister Footwear or On The Bus that uses xenocrony.

One piece uses theory and unorthodox notation to create a rhythmically advanced piece that streches notes over the pulse, and one uses tape editing to create the same effect (notes streched over a pulse to create polyrhythms.)


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the song that started the psycedelia! (i think) :?:


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FeralCats wrote:
Considering 75% of it is an instrumental, it's more incorrect to call it a vocal song than an instrumental.


in talking about the hot rats version, that has got to be the stupidest logic ive ever heard. so if i have a song that goes for 10mins and 2mins of those 10 minutes feature a human voice singing in the english language (im not talking about willie the pimp, just a fictional song for example), then by your logic that song would be an instrumental despite the fact that it is clearly not. if you were a woman id smack you in the face.


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