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who the fuck you tryin to kid isaac, deleting posts was your favourite hobby back in the day. hahaha.

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I just got a screenshot of keenthegod being logged on to this forum as I type.

Smile kid. You're on candid camera!

Will publish the screenshot if anyone's curious.


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who the fuck you tryin to kid isaac, deleting posts was your favourite hobby back in the day. hahaha.


All of you -- seek professional help. Why are you people obsessed with this shit?

THIS IS A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME.

keenthegod actually said "fuck all of you, I'm out." This was not some half-assed attempt to make someone look bad by faking quotes. So why am I being put up on a fucking pedestal for some shit I never even fucking said? GET REAL.

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Aybe Sea wrote:
I just got a screenshot of keenthegod being logged on to this forum as I type.

Smile kid. You're on candid camera!

Will publish the screenshot if anyone's curious.


Why not? We need something to get away from the fake quotes and bullshit.

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According to who? A known liar?

I didn't start the thread, "nigga"!

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Racial slurs?

The word is nigger.

I would advise against using it.

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being against the word "nigger" is a sign of political correctness.


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And being FOR the use of the word is just plain wrong.

Whether it's NIGGA or NIGGER.

People of color who use either word, set history back 40 years.

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According to who? A known liar?...

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The EQ's all messed up. It sounds flat, irritating, and, quite frankly, the vinyl really sucks...



...I would've kept the artwork and stomped on the damn vinyl
BECAUSE THAT IS HOW MUCH I HATE IT!
I HATE IT! I HATE IT! I HATE THE GODDAMN VINYL!...


...I like both versions of the songs, anyway. So there. 8)

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And being FOR the use of the word is just plain wrong.

Whether it's NIGGA or NIGGER.

People of color who use either word, set history back 40 years.



take the power of the word away by using.
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What about the IDIOTS who make (c)Rap music?

Are they niggas, or IDIOTS?

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zombie1210 wrote:
What about the IDIOTS who make (c)Rap music?

Are they niggas, or IDIOTS?


They're idiots, who are not niggas. Niggas who are idiots are so because of coincidence, not because of any inborn property.

Also-if you hate rap music that much, I can't imagine you being fond of more than 65% of Zappa's music.


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NOW YOU'VE DONE IT.

YOU DARE TO COMPARE FZ TO RAP?

WHAT ARE YOU, FUCKING RETARDED?

NO, I'M GUESSING YOU ARE LOBOTOMIZED.

RAP REQUIRES NO TALENT WHATSOEVER. IT ONLY REQUIRES A POLITICALLY CORRECT PUBLIC, WHO IS AFRAID TO CALL IT GARBAGE
FOR FEAR OF BEING CALLED RACIST.

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zombie1210 wrote:
NOW YOU'VE DONE IT.

YOU DARE TO COMPARE FZ TO RAP?

WHAT ARE YOU, FUCKING RETARDED?

NO, I'M GUESSING YOU ARE LOBOTOMIZED.

RAP REQUIRES NO TALENT WHATSOEVER. IT ONLY REQUIRES A POLITICALLY CORRECT PUBLIC, WHO IS AFRAID TO CALL IT GARBAGE
FOR FEAR OF BEING CALLED RACIST.


I'm going to guess you've never heard Quasimoto or Madlib?
I'm going to guess you've never actually heard any rap music?

No, I'm going to guess that you're a sad lonely person who bought Zappa albums to feel like he was apart of a 'community', then disgustingly idolized him and grossly misinterpreted him.

Screw this- I have some beats I should get working on...


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YOU DARE TO COMPARE FZ TO RAP?

WHAT ARE YOU, FUCKING RETARDED?


Hmm...guess you've never heard "Trouble Every Day"...that's a rap. Or "Promiscuous"...pretty obvious one there...and "Dumb All Over," rap all over.

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I'm going to guess you've never heard Quasimoto or Madlib?
I'm going to guess you've never actually heard any rap music?


Hell, I don't even think he's actually heard any FZ.

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Hmm...guess you've never heard "Trouble Every Day"...that's a rap. Or "Promiscuous"...pretty obvious one there...and "Dumb All Over," rap all over.


"Trouble" is a stretch, maybe, but what about I'm The Slime? That's a rap. Maybe Nanook Rubs It? Hell, like I said, they're all over the place.


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FeralCats wrote:
what about I'm The Slime? That's a rap.


D'oh! Yes, forgot about that one.

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Hell, like I said, they're all over the place.


Yup.

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zappa never did rap. he did 'sprechstimme.'


Bob Marshall: I remember in an interview around the late Seventies, you brought up the concept of "sprechstimme", a German term.

Frank Zappa: A speech-song. That means, instead of singing all the pitches of the song, you half speak it, you half sing it. It's a technique that was attributed to Schoenberg who used it in a piece called "Pierrot Lunaire". And the way it was written was: all the pitches for the soprano to sing, the ones that she was supposed to half speak, had X's on the stems. But I don't think he invented it because this is a type of vocal styling that has been used in Blues. It's also been used in other types of ethnic music. You can find it in Bulgarian music where, instead of exactly singing the note, you imply the pitch of the note, but you're really talking it. It's in between.

Bob Marshall: You started doing your talking stuff around that time when you were talking about that concept?

Frank Zappa: The first album had "sprechstimme" on it.

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zappa never did rap. he did 'sprechstimme.'
That's interpretation. Following Zappa's example, I can find loads of Rap songs that use 'Sprechstimme'. It just depends, do you want to rally Zappa with Schoenberg or Ice-T?


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I don't mind the "N" word when used in a political or sociological context.
I don't like it when it is used casually by white boys.
It's obvious why it is used, because it is overused by the Black hip hop generation.
Here's a rule of thumb: Would you use the word while in the company of a Black person? Including young, hip rappers? I don't think so, unless you want to get your ass kicked.


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"Whenever you hear the word 'Nigger', you'll know they're advertising my book." - Dick Gregory in a note to his mother contained in the forward of his book, Nigger (1963)

"There is no such thing as a dirty word. Nor is there a word so powerful, that it's going to send the listener to the lake of fire upon hearing it." - Frank Zappa

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"Are there any niggers here tonight? Could you turn on the house lights, please, and could the waiters and waitresses just stop serving, just for a second? And turn off this spot. Now what did he say? "Are there any niggers here tonight?" I know there's one nigger, because I see him back there working. Let's see, there's two niggers. And between those two niggers sits a kike. And there's another kike— that's two kikes and three niggers. And there's a spic. Right? Hmm? There's another spic. Ooh, there's a wop; there's a polack; and, oh, a couple of greaseballs. And there's three lace-curtain Irish micks. And there's one, hip, thick, hunky, funky, boogie. Boogie boogie. Mm-hmm. I got three kikes here, do I hear five kikes? I got five kikes, do I hear six spics, I got six spics, do I hear seven niggers? I got seven niggers. Sold American. I pass with seven niggers, six spics, five micks, four kikes, three guineas, and one wop. Well, I was just trying to make a point, and that is that it's the suppression of the word that gives it the power, the violence, the viciousness. Dig: if President Kennedy would just go on television, and say, "I would like to introduce you to all the niggers in my cabinet," and if he'd just say "nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger" to every nigger he saw, "boogie boogie boogie boogie boogie," "nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger" 'til nigger didn't mean anything anymore, then you could never make some six-year-old black kid cry because somebody called him a nigger at school."
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zappa never did rap. he did 'sprechstimme.'
That's interpretation. Following Zappa's example, I can find loads of Rap songs that use 'Sprechstimme'. It just depends, do you want to rally Zappa with Schoenberg or Ice-T?


schoenberg, of course.

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FZ NEVER DID RAP MUSIC, AS IN REPETITIVE BEATS, STUPID FUCKING RHYMES, SAMPLES OF OTHER PEOPLES MUSIC, AND JUST PLAIN TALENTLESS SHIT.

IF ANYONE ON THIS FORUM EQUATES FZ WITH TODAY'S RAP OR HIP HOP, YOU NEED TO KILL YOURSELF.

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