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What about the IDIOTS who make (c)Rap music?

Are they niggas, or IDIOTS?


They're idiots, who are not niggas. Niggas who are idiots are so because of coincidence, not because of any inborn property.

Also-if you hate rap music that much, I can't imagine you being fond of more than 65% of Zappa's music.


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NOW YOU'VE DONE IT.

YOU DARE TO COMPARE FZ TO RAP?

WHAT ARE YOU, FUCKING RETARDED?

NO, I'M GUESSING YOU ARE LOBOTOMIZED.

RAP REQUIRES NO TALENT WHATSOEVER. IT ONLY REQUIRES A POLITICALLY CORRECT PUBLIC, WHO IS AFRAID TO CALL IT GARBAGE
FOR FEAR OF BEING CALLED RACIST.

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zombie1210 wrote:
NOW YOU'VE DONE IT.

YOU DARE TO COMPARE FZ TO RAP?

WHAT ARE YOU, FUCKING RETARDED?

NO, I'M GUESSING YOU ARE LOBOTOMIZED.

RAP REQUIRES NO TALENT WHATSOEVER. IT ONLY REQUIRES A POLITICALLY CORRECT PUBLIC, WHO IS AFRAID TO CALL IT GARBAGE
FOR FEAR OF BEING CALLED RACIST.


I'm going to guess you've never heard Quasimoto or Madlib?
I'm going to guess you've never actually heard any rap music?

No, I'm going to guess that you're a sad lonely person who bought Zappa albums to feel like he was apart of a 'community', then disgustingly idolized him and grossly misinterpreted him.

Screw this- I have some beats I should get working on...


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YOU DARE TO COMPARE FZ TO RAP?

WHAT ARE YOU, FUCKING RETARDED?


Hmm...guess you've never heard "Trouble Every Day"...that's a rap. Or "Promiscuous"...pretty obvious one there...and "Dumb All Over," rap all over.

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I'm going to guess you've never heard Quasimoto or Madlib?
I'm going to guess you've never actually heard any rap music?


Hell, I don't even think he's actually heard any FZ.

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Hmm...guess you've never heard "Trouble Every Day"...that's a rap. Or "Promiscuous"...pretty obvious one there...and "Dumb All Over," rap all over.


"Trouble" is a stretch, maybe, but what about I'm The Slime? That's a rap. Maybe Nanook Rubs It? Hell, like I said, they're all over the place.


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FeralCats wrote:
what about I'm The Slime? That's a rap.


D'oh! Yes, forgot about that one.

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Hell, like I said, they're all over the place.


Yup.

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zappa never did rap. he did 'sprechstimme.'


Bob Marshall: I remember in an interview around the late Seventies, you brought up the concept of "sprechstimme", a German term.

Frank Zappa: A speech-song. That means, instead of singing all the pitches of the song, you half speak it, you half sing it. It's a technique that was attributed to Schoenberg who used it in a piece called "Pierrot Lunaire". And the way it was written was: all the pitches for the soprano to sing, the ones that she was supposed to half speak, had X's on the stems. But I don't think he invented it because this is a type of vocal styling that has been used in Blues. It's also been used in other types of ethnic music. You can find it in Bulgarian music where, instead of exactly singing the note, you imply the pitch of the note, but you're really talking it. It's in between.

Bob Marshall: You started doing your talking stuff around that time when you were talking about that concept?

Frank Zappa: The first album had "sprechstimme" on it.

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zappa never did rap. he did 'sprechstimme.'
That's interpretation. Following Zappa's example, I can find loads of Rap songs that use 'Sprechstimme'. It just depends, do you want to rally Zappa with Schoenberg or Ice-T?


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I don't mind the "N" word when used in a political or sociological context.
I don't like it when it is used casually by white boys.
It's obvious why it is used, because it is overused by the Black hip hop generation.
Here's a rule of thumb: Would you use the word while in the company of a Black person? Including young, hip rappers? I don't think so, unless you want to get your ass kicked.


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"Whenever you hear the word 'Nigger', you'll know they're advertising my book." - Dick Gregory in a note to his mother contained in the forward of his book, Nigger (1963)

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"Are there any niggers here tonight? Could you turn on the house lights, please, and could the waiters and waitresses just stop serving, just for a second? And turn off this spot. Now what did he say? "Are there any niggers here tonight?" I know there's one nigger, because I see him back there working. Let's see, there's two niggers. And between those two niggers sits a kike. And there's another kike— that's two kikes and three niggers. And there's a spic. Right? Hmm? There's another spic. Ooh, there's a wop; there's a polack; and, oh, a couple of greaseballs. And there's three lace-curtain Irish micks. And there's one, hip, thick, hunky, funky, boogie. Boogie boogie. Mm-hmm. I got three kikes here, do I hear five kikes? I got five kikes, do I hear six spics, I got six spics, do I hear seven niggers? I got seven niggers. Sold American. I pass with seven niggers, six spics, five micks, four kikes, three guineas, and one wop. Well, I was just trying to make a point, and that is that it's the suppression of the word that gives it the power, the violence, the viciousness. Dig: if President Kennedy would just go on television, and say, "I would like to introduce you to all the niggers in my cabinet," and if he'd just say "nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger" to every nigger he saw, "boogie boogie boogie boogie boogie," "nigger nigger nigger nigger nigger" 'til nigger didn't mean anything anymore, then you could never make some six-year-old black kid cry because somebody called him a nigger at school."
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zappa never did rap. he did 'sprechstimme.'
That's interpretation. Following Zappa's example, I can find loads of Rap songs that use 'Sprechstimme'. It just depends, do you want to rally Zappa with Schoenberg or Ice-T?


schoenberg, of course.

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FZ NEVER DID RAP MUSIC, AS IN REPETITIVE BEATS, STUPID FUCKING RHYMES, SAMPLES OF OTHER PEOPLES MUSIC, AND JUST PLAIN TALENTLESS SHIT.

IF ANYONE ON THIS FORUM EQUATES FZ WITH TODAY'S RAP OR HIP HOP, YOU NEED TO KILL YOURSELF.

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zombie1210 wrote:
FZ NEVER DID RAP MUSIC, AS IN REPETITIVE BEATS, STUPID FUCKING RHYMES, SAMPLES OF OTHER PEOPLES MUSIC, AND JUST PLAIN TALENTLESS SHIT.

IF ANYONE ON THIS FORUM EQUATES FZ WITH TODAY'S RAP OR HIP HOP, YOU NEED TO KILL YOURSELF.


I agree. Don't call anything FZ did "rap".

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I think there are probably lots of FZ songs that could be easily made into rap songs, however I do not think that the songs as FZ recorded them in and of themselves constitute rap music. Point taken about Dumb All Over being a rap in terms of the vocals, but I still wouldn't consider it rap music per say.

Some of the older stuff like Trouble Every Day is more attuned to blues than rap imo.

A lot of Dylan stuff is like this, Subterranean Homesick Blues, for example. I always thought that would make a great rap song, but it is not in and of itself a rap song, it is more rooted in blues.

The sprechstimme "interpretation" also happens to be Frank's interpretation, no?

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I think there are probably lots of FZ songs that could be easily made into rap songs, however I do not think that the songs as FZ recorded them in and of themselves constitute rap music. Point taken about Dumb All Over being a rap in terms of the vocals, but I still wouldn't consider it rap music per say.

Some of the older stuff like Trouble Every Day is more attuned to blues than rap imo.

A lot of Dylan stuff is like this, Subterranean Homesick Blues, for example. I always thought that would make a great rap song, but it is not in and of itself a rap song, it is more rooted in blues.

I totally agree.

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The sprechstimme "interpretation" also happens to be Frank's interpretation, no?

of course. and note that he says:

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FZ: But I don't think he [Schoenberg] invented it because this is a type of vocal styling that has been used in Blues. It's also been used in other types of ethnic music. You can find it in Bulgarian music where, instead of exactly singing the note, you imply the pitch of the note, but you're really talking it. It's in between.

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FZ NEVER DID RAP MUSIC, AS IN REPETITIVE BEATS, STUPID FUCKING RHYMES, SAMPLES OF OTHER PEOPLES MUSIC, AND JUST PLAIN TALENTLESS SHIT.

IF ANYONE ON THIS FORUM EQUATES FZ WITH TODAY'S RAP OR HIP HOP, YOU NEED TO KILL YOURSELF.


Of course what Zappa did wasn't pure rap. Don't fuck around, no one is saying it is. But he was an undeniable influence on the genre.

Sampling? Zappa sampled all the damn time. You could even call his quotations 'samples' if you want, but even in his tape pieces...SAMPLES.

"Stupid fucking rhymes" is a matter of taste, and I'll point out two things. Not all rap is on the radio. If you want to judge it based off of that, guess what? Pretty much every fucking genre of music is a piece of shit.

Repetitive beats? I dunno, Zappa has songs which are just the same melody again and again. Inca Roads has a great opening beat/riff/whatever.

Zappa's not 'rap' anymore than he's 'classical' or 'jazz' or 'rock'. He did, however, rap. And I beg you to give some rap that's not on the radio a try- I could imagine you saying Jazz sucked if all you heard was Kenny G.

(And it's impossible to deny that Promiscuous is a RAP SONG.)


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Sampling? Zappa sampled all the damn time. You could even call his quotations 'samples' if you want, but even in his tape pieces...SAMPLES.


...not to mention all those Samplers he put out....

sorry, couldn't resist. :wink:

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But he was an undeniable influence on the genre.


That being FZ and rap. Please explain! Are there rap artists whom have credited him as an inspiration? I'd say the newer breed may have been influenced, but that is very late in the game to make a statement (which you did not) saying: "Frank Zappa was an influence on Rap." Who knows, maybe Grandmaster Flash owned Over-nite Sensation? Anyway, I bet Johnny Guitar Watson was a bigger influence than Frank. Hmmm, I can remember being in Joey Psychotic's record shop when young, black youth were digging the opening riff to the 7" version of "My Guitar." Or maybe Joey just told me that? Or maybe it was in Darmstadt? See, the mind goes pretty easily...


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I THINK YOU CRETINS HAVE OUTDONE YOURSELVES WITH THIS ONE.

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But he was an undeniable influence on the genre.


That being FZ and rap. Please explain! Are there rap artists whom have credited him as an inspiration? I'd say the newer breed may have been influenced, but that is very late in the game to make a statement (which you did not) saying: "Frank Zappa was an influence on Rap." Who knows, maybe Grandmaster Flash owned Over-nite Sensation? Anyway, I bet Johnny Guitar Watson was a bigger influence than Frank. Hmmm, I can remember being in Joey Psychotic's record shop when young, black youth were digging the opening riff to the 7" version of "My Guitar." Or maybe Joey just told me that? Or maybe it was in Darmstadt? See, the mind goes pretty easily...


Okay, okay, this is true..
I still stand by my statements that:
1. Rap does not, by nature, suck.
2. Zappa did rap at least once.

And that's all.

EDIT: "Holds water" was the wrong term and it was bugging me.


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If you want to judge it based off of that, guess what? Pretty much every fucking genre of music is a piece of shit.



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Now you just have to add in a line about killing a cop , screwing a white bitch and getting shot.....

NOW .. you got a c-rap song

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THROW IN THE USE OF THE WORD DISREPECT.

THE STUPIDEST WORD IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE.

DIS MY BITCH.

DIS MY DOG.

DIS ME.

"DISRESPECTING" SOMEONE SEEMS TO BE A WORSE OFFENSE THAN MURDER.

THESE "PEOPLE" ARE NO BETTER THAN TERRORISTS.

THEY ARE ANIMALS.

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George Clinton invented rap..............

Take Your Dead Ass Home
{G Clinton, G Shider, B Worrell, Glen Goins}

{spoken}
(what about the woodpecker thing?)
Yeah, they call me the kid
Sexy man
But I know nothing about the great big H
I'd watch that football game while the hornies occupied my day
I never peeped to where she was coming from
When she'd say, "Though you're here, I'm all alone"
Then she made it perfectly clear
With some inspiring words in a song, dig:

{sung:}
If you ain't gonna get it on
Take your dead ass home (now light my fire, baby!)
If you ain't gonna get it on
Take your dead ass home (a-flick-a my Bic, even!)
If you ain't gonna get it on
Take your dead ass home (I'd love to play in your tidy bowl)
Ha, ha whoo-eee!

There once was a man from Peru
Who went to sleep in his canoe
He was dreaming of Venus
And took out his penis
And woke up with a handfull of goo
Put your foot on the rock!
OK bye!
Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, aiii! (x2)

There once was some freaks from L.A. (who)
Who came to New York to play
They was busted by the pussy posse
And the prosecutor popped them in the pen
Put your foot on the rock
Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, aiii!

Well, flick-a my Bic, baby!

If you ain't gonna get it on
Take your dead ass home
(x5)
Well, light my fire baby, flick-a my Bic
I'll come if you call

There once was a man from Peru
Who went to sleep in his canoe (say somethin' nasty!)
He was dreaming of Fifi
And took out his peepee
And woke up with a handfull of goo
Put your foot on the rock!
Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ohh!

There once was some freaks from L.A. (and what'd they do?)
Who came to New York to play (yeah?)
They was busted by the pussy posse (pussy who?)
And the prosecutor popped them in the pen

There once was some freaks from L.A.
Who came to New York to play (say somethin' nasty)
They was busted by the pussy posse
And the prosecutor popped them in the pen

Get off your ass and jam!
Oh they call me the kid
Let's get it on, y'all

If you ain't gonna get it on
Take your dead ass home (come on baby!)

If you ain't gonna get it on
Take your dead ass home
(x4)

It's only rock n' roll

If you ain't gonna get it on
Take your dead ass home
(x5)

Now, what did you say?

If you ain't gonna get it on
Take your dead ass home
(x6)
{spoken:}
(turn the drums up a little for me...yeah!)
(We're gonna do it one more time, and I want everybody)
(Y'all ready?)
(Are you ready? I'm ready?)
(Hit it!)

{sung:}
If you ain't gonna get it on
Take your dead ass home
(x15)
(come here, ladies. Move in close!)

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